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If a Democrat was sending 15k troops somewhere on a political whim to stir up votes, every trump supporter on this board would be up in arms about the blatant ethics violation.

They’ve temporarily suspended their “principles” until another liberal gets elected.
 
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If a Democrat was sending 15k troops somewhere on a political whim to stir up votes, every trump supporter on this board would be up in arms about the blatant ethics violation.

They’ve temporarily suspended their “principles” until another liberal gets elected.

Has anyone on this board actually said they approve of sending the troops to the border, or is this one of those straw men you’re always talking about?
 
Has anyone on this board actually said they approve of sending the troops to the border, or is this one of those straw men you’re always talking about?

I have no problem with deploying troops within our own country to defend our borders. I just don’t want to see them shipped off to some 3rd world shithole to defend borders there.
 
I have no problem with deploying troops within our own country to defend our borders. I just don’t want to see them shipped off to some 3rd world shithole to defend borders there.
I don't think they will be "defending" it though. I thought I saw that they are there for basically what amounts to logistics support.
 
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Has anyone on this board actually said they approve of sending the troops to the border, or is this one of those straw men you’re always talking about?

I have no problem with deploying troops within our own country to defend our borders. I just don’t want to see them shipped off to some 3rd world shithole to defend borders there.

I honestly don't understand how anyone could think allowing these people in our country is a good idea.

Agree, send in troops.
 
I honestly don't understand how anyone could think allowing these people in our country is a good idea.
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We can't even look after our own poor and homeless, sure bring in 1000's more. Not to mention the Vets.

Can’t or won’t?

There’s more than enough money in the budget to take care of our poor and homeless, and all of the vets.

Except one party keeps trying to cut the social safety net. So GTFOH with that bullshit. It’s conservatives who say we SHOULDNT take care of the poor and homeless. Because “muh taxes shouldn’t go to help other people.”
 
Can’t or won’t?

There’s more than enough money in the budget to take care of our poor and homeless, and all of the vets.

Except one party keeps trying to cut the social safety net. So GTFOH with that bullshit. It’s conservatives who say we SHOULDNT take care of the poor and homeless. Because “muh taxes shouldn’t go to help other people.”
Can you please quote these Conservatives who say we shouldn't take care of these people? TIA
 
Except one party keeps trying to cut the social safety net. So GTFOH with that bullshit. It’s conservatives who say we SHOULDNT take care of the poor and homeless. Because “muh taxes shouldn’t go to help other people.”

Just out of curiosity, how much do you donate of your own money to help the poor and homeless? Or would you just rather take everyone else's money to do it?

Not to toot my own horn (ok, maybe a little bit), but I donate a decent amount to various charities throughout the year, as well as a decent amount of my time. But, forced charity kind of takes away from the meaning of charity.
 
I have no problem with deploying troops within our own country to defend our borders. I just don’t want to see them shipped off to some 3rd world shithole to defend borders there.

That's actually a great point. Deploying troops within the country actually fits well to the definition of "Defense". Sending them to another country, especially one where they'd be in danger, is a different situation.
 
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That's actually a great point. Deploying troops within the country actually fits well to the definition of "Defense". Sending them to another country, especially one where they'd be in danger, is a different situation.
The best defense is a good offense. We need to go get everyone before they get to us.
 
We have ports of entry. If you don't go thru them you are breaking the law.

. . . and if there's ever been several folks that know about breaking the law, they are or have been a part of the current administration. What a band of Liars, Cheaters and Thieves . .

So, it's now being reported that Stinking Ryan Zinke is being investigated for using his office for personal gain. Apparently, it's going to take a lot longer to 'Drain the Swamp' than first promised by 45 . . :sigh:

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...ed-zinke-broke-rules-amid-doj-referral-report
 
. . . and if there's ever been several folks that know about breaking the law, they are or have been a part of the current administration. What a band of Liars, Cheaters and Thieves . .

So, it's now being reported that Stinking Ryan Zinke is being investigated for using his office for personal gain. Apparently, it's going to take a lot longer to 'Drain the Swamp' than first promised by 45 . . :sigh:

https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...ed-zinke-broke-rules-amid-doj-referral-report

Why did you change the subject? We aren't talking about Ryan Zinke, we are talking about immigration.

Both sides do this and it's the shittiest.

"Oh you think Trump is bad? Well let me tell you who is worse, HILLARY."
"Oh you think Warren is bad? Well let me tell you who is worse, TRUMP."

Stick to the argument and defend the person/issue without the lame "well at least it isn't X"
 
Can you please quote these Conservatives who say we shouldn't take care of these people? TIA

I'm not going to dig through the post history of a bunch of people that I don't like, but I've just about every conservative talk about cutting government programs that help poor people.

Just out of curiosity, how much do you donate of your own money to help the poor and homeless? Or would you just rather take everyone else's money to do it?

Not to toot my own horn (ok, maybe a little bit), but I donate a decent amount to various charities throughout the year, as well as a decent amount of my time. But, forced charity kind of takes away from the meaning of charity.

I donate plenty of money and time. This comment makes you look like a giant douche BTW
 
I'm all for helping poor people.

I'm not for handing things to poor people.

Most liberals don't want drug screenings for welfare checks, job interview proof for unemployment insurance, or penalties for procreating when you cannot afford your own life.

Sorry, I don't want my money going to someone who can't pass a drug test that sits on their ass and makes more poor babies.
 
I'm all for helping poor people.

I'm not for handing things to poor people.

Most liberals don't want drug screenings for welfare checks, job interview proof for unemployment insurance, or penalties for procreating when you cannot afford your own life.

Sorry, I don't want my money going to someone who can't pass a drug test that sits on their ass and makes more poor babies.

So you'd support free birth control?
 
I donate plenty of money and time.

That's great. I'm genuinely glad to see that.

This comment makes you look like a giant douche BTW

By asking you if you donate time/money to the causes you're fond of, and noting that I do that myself? I'd argue it's a bigger douche move to tell people you need to take their money and pick who it goes to because you know better than they do where to give their money.
 
Its no accident that Trump is sending troops now. He knows they are weeks away from reaching our border but he knows that putting boots on the ground to keep out brown people gives his base a hard-on for election day.
 
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So you'd support free birth control?

Isn't birth control mostly covered by insurance now anyways?

Honestly I'm not a huge fan of free handouts, but it seems like a pretty quick cost/benefit analysis would show that the government paying for birth control would be cheaper than the government covering the costs of raising multiple children for 18 years.

In fact, if you can't support yourself and need to be on public assistance, maybe there's an argument for requiring taking free birth control while you're receiving aid.
 
Isn't birth control mostly covered by insurance now anyways?

Honestly I'm not a huge fan of free handouts, but it seems like a pretty quick cost/benefit analysis would show that the government paying for birth control would be cheaper than the government covering the costs of raising multiple children for 18 years.

In fact, if you can't support yourself and need to be on public assistance, maybe there's an argument for requiring taking free birth control while you're receiving aid.

This is my answer also @uncboy10

And hell, Pharma companies could afford to pay for it also. Call it a charitable contribution instead of using that money to fund campaigns on either side.
 
That's great. I'm genuinely glad to see that.



By asking you if you donate time/money to the causes you're fond of, and noting that I do that myself? I'd argue it's a bigger douche move to tell people you need to take their money and pick who it goes to because you know better than they do where to give their money.

Yes, its an anonymous message board. Whats the point of bragging about donating to charity here? And questioning other people on there donations as if that has any significance on political views...
 
Isn't birth control mostly covered by insurance now anyways?

Honestly I'm not a huge fan of free handouts, but it seems like a pretty quick cost/benefit analysis would show that the government paying for birth control would be cheaper than the government covering the costs of raising multiple children for 18 years.

In fact, if you can't support yourself and need to be on public assistance, maybe there's an argument for requiring taking free birth control while you're receiving aid.

This is my answer also @uncboy10

And hell, Pharma companies could afford to pay for it also. Call it a charitable contribution instead of using that money to fund campaigns on either side.

Sounds like we all found a point of agreement.
 
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Yes, its an anonymous message board. Whats the point of bragging about donating to charity here? And questioning other people on there donations as if that has any significance on political views...

I wasn't intending to brag (despite the "toot my own horn" joke). For all you know I could make $5K a year, and a "decent amount" of that in my mind could be $100.

And I do think it has relevance to the topic. If you're willing to take other people's money to donate to certain causes, but not your own, that seems a little disingenuous.
 
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