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[tarheel0910]

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-tru...-republican-nomination-gop-strategist-1457953

I have no doubt he would win the nomination. The GOP would make sure that wouldn't happen similar to how the dems screwed Bernie in 2016.

The one thing I'll say - first terms for Presidents are usually a hell of a lot better/easier than the 2nd terms. If he loses the senate and keeps a Dem house, they are going to make his life an absolute hell for the next 4 years.

I don't think they will, because he'll just flip and become a dem again just so he can pass legislation and say he's the greatest deal maker ever. I don't see them winning the senate though.

 

[UNC71-00]

Crazy Bernie just fukkin the Democrat party all to Hell. I’m here for it.

 

[dadika13]

Crazy Bernie just fukkin the Democrat party all to Hell. I’m here for it.

Man, those debates with him and Trump are going to be absolute must see TV. Nothing like two senior citizens who have absolutely nothing in common yelling at each other.

In terms of the Dem party, someone said it earlier, but Bernie getting the nomination and getting stomped by Trump is the best thing for them. It would prove a socialist can't win and they'd choose someone who is more moderate in 2024 instead of the wack jobs on the far left of that party.

 

[UNC71-00]

Man, those debates with him and Trump are going to be absolute must see TV. Nothing like two senior citizens who have absolutely nothing in common yelling at each other.

In terms of the Dem party, someone said it earlier, but Bernie getting the nomination and getting stomped by Trump is the best thing for them. It would prove a socialist can't win and they'd choose someone who is more moderate in 2024 instead of the wack jobs on the far left of that party.

I actually agree with this. They have given the radical crowd too much of a voice and the only way to quell it is an ass kicking. It’s a good year to do this too because none of these numbnuts are beating Donald Trump, so might as well win something out of this if you are the Dems.

Bernie is their sacrificial lamb.

 

[uncboy10]

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

It really is a cluster, and breaking perfectly for Bernie. If the more moderate Dems would just pick one of them to run, they'd steamroll Bernie. He'll pick up ~30% of the vote regardless, and if there's one "moderate" running he'll lose 70-30, but if there are 3, he'll win 30-25-25-20 or whatever.

The debates have been awesome though, must see TV. Pete's comment of being the only non-millionaire/billionaire on stage lands every time he drops it. You can see Bernie shudder when it gets pointed out that he is indeed in the top 5%. Even Bloomie got in on it pointing out the Bernie has 3 houses. That was before Warren just single-handedly ended his campaign. The debates are the best reality show on TV right now.

 

[uncboy10]

It really is a cluster, and breaking perfectly for Bernie. If the more moderate Dems would just pick one of them to run, they'd steamroll Bernie. He'll pick up ~30% of the vote regardless, and if there's one "moderate" running he'll lose 70-30, but if there are 3, he'll win 30-25-25-20 or whatever.

The debates have been awesome though, must see TV. Pete's comment of being the only non-millionaire/billionaire on stage lands every time he drops it. You can see Bernie shudder when it gets pointed out that he is indeed in the top 5%. Even Bloomie got in on it pointing out the Bernie has 3 houses. That was before Warren just single-handedly ended his campaign. The debates are the best reality show on TV right now.

Bernie just got more votes in Nevada than all of the moderates combined, and he's the most popular second choice amongst supporters of the other candidates too. I don't see how he loses 70-30 to anyone when the results suggest he is a Condorcet winner in the democratic primary.

30-25-25-20 isn't even close. He just won 47-21-13-9

 

[dadika13]

Yeah, and now he just lost all those electoral votes in Florida. What an idiot.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Bernie just got more votes in Nevada than all of the moderates combined, and he's the most popular second choice amongst supporters of the other candidates too. I don't see how he loses 70-30 to anyone when the results suggest he is a Condorcet winner in the democratic primary.

30-25-25-20 isn't even close. He just won 47-21-13-9

I don't think Nevada is indicative of the country as a whole in those percentages. I have heard that many polls show him as second choice, but as we'e seen, the polls can be deceiving. I guess we'll find out for sure if there's a brokered convention and all of the delegates flock to him when it becomes clear their candidate doesn't have a chance at it.

 

[tarheel0910]

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Yeah, and now he just lost all those electoral votes in Florida. What an idiot.

Yeah, we can go ahead and mark Florida down as a Trump win. I wonder if Bernie is going to identify as a democrat if he wins the nomination or just admit he was using the party?

 

[dadika13]

Yeah, we can go ahead and mark Florida down as a Trump win. I wonder if Bernie is going to identify as a democrat if he wins the nomination or just admit he was using the party?

My group chat with my best friends is 1 Trump guy, me in the middle, and two Bernie guys. They are right now defending Fidel Castro's leadership of Cuba and we're ripping them to shreds for it.

Hardcore Bernie supporters are 1,000 times crazier than hardcore Trump ones.

 

[tarheel0910]

My group chat with my best friends is 1 Trump guy, me in the middle, and two Bernie guys. They are right now defending Fidel Castro's leadership of Cuba and we're ripping them to shreds for it.

Hardcore Bernie supporters are 1,000 times crazier than hardcore Trump ones.

They should have just found a way to force him to run as an independent. The debates will be great if he wins though.

 

[UNC71-00]

My group chat with my best friends is 1 Trump guy, me in the middle, and two Bernie guys. They are right now defending Fidel Castro's leadership of Cuba and we're ripping them to shreds for it.

Hardcore Bernie supporters are 1,000 times crazier than hardcore Trump ones.

Bernie is also on record supporting the Iranians in 1979-80 when they took American hostages. He's a fukkin fruitcake and is going to get absolutely mauled if he is the nominee, which is why I think the DNC is going to make him the nominee.

The DNC is going to let Trump and the GOP do the work of shutting down this loon so they can somewhat keep their hands clean and use the ass whipping as a way to shut out the radicals for many years to come.

 

[UNC71-00]

More Bernie:

"It's unfair to simply say that everything was bad" under Fidel Castro. That's because he had a literacy program that taught Cubans how to read Marx.

This guy is the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[heelmanwilm]

Bernie is also on record supporting the Iranians in 1979-80 when they took American hostages. He's a fukkin fruitcake and is going to get absolutely mauled if he is the nominee, which is why I think the DNC is going to make him the nominee.

The DNC is going to let Trump and the GOP do the work of shutting down this loon so they can somewhat keep their hands clean and use the ass whipping as a way to shut out the radicals for many years to come.

Not a Bernie supporter but this is all a lie. He was never a member of swp let alone a “leader” and never supported the Iranian hostage takers. He did criticize carter’s handling of the situation though.

And a trump supporter calling another politician a fuking fruitcake pegs the irony meter. Pegs it, then shatters the glass, then catches fire and burns the place down.

 

[dadika13]

Bernie is also on record supporting the Iranians in 1979-80 when they took American hostages. He's a fukkin fruitcake and is going to get absolutely mauled if he is the nominee, which is why I think the DNC is going to make him the nominee.

The DNC is going to let Trump and the GOP do the work of shutting down this loon so they can somewhat keep their hands clean and use the ass whipping as a way to shut out the radicals for many years to come.

Dude, why make stuff up though? That meme is false. There is no record of him supporting Iran in 1979. The guy does enough stupid shit that you don't have to make it up.

He was never leader of that party - nor even a member. There are countless sources from the early 80s saying such. The SWP even said in 1980 that they have no presence in Vermont. He supported some of their shit (labor unions, rights for poor workers, basic socialist stuff) prior to 1985 but once they became more crazy he actually clashed with them regularly.

Just cuz it's a meme doesn't make it true. Can't get salty about people posting fake Trump stuff then post fake Bernie stuff.

 

[dadika13]

Not a Bernie supporter but this is all a lie. He was never a member of swp let alone a “leader” and never supported the Iranian hostage takers. He did criticize carter’s handling of the situation though.

And a trump supporter calling another politician a fuking fruitcake pegs the irony meter. Pegs it, then shatters the glass, then catches fire and burns the place down.

GD #timestamps.

 

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@heelmanwilm @dadika13

https://www.thedailybeast.com/when-iran-took-americans-hostage-bernie-backed-irans-defenders

tell me what is a lie.

 

[dadika13]

@heelmanwilm @dadika13

https://www.thedailybeast.com/when-iran-took-americans-hostage-bernie-backed-irans-defenders

tell me what is a lie.

We're arguing the same thing. The Beast never said he was in the party and he stopped even supporting their stances in 1985. The Beast even admits to not knowing this:

"It remains unclear when Sanders’s affiliation with the SWP ended."

It's not unclear - he sparred very publicly with their leaders in the mid 80s. The point is he was never part of the party nor their leader as the meme claims.

Get on Bernie for supporting Pully, who was a complete jackass and probably a traitor.

Again, he's got SO much shit to attack, just actually do it correctly so creditability isn't lost.

 

[UNC71-00]

We're arguing the same thing. The Beast never said he was in the party and he stopped even supporting their stances in 1985. The Beast even admits to not knowing this:

"It remains unclear when Sanders’s affiliation with the SWP ended."

It's not unclear - he sparred very publicly with their leaders in the mid 80s. The point is he was never part of the party nor their leader as the meme claims.

Get on Bernie for supporting Pully, who was a complete jackass and probably a traitor.

Again, he's got SO much shit to attack, just actually do it correctly so creditability isn't lost.

So just to confirm:

1) Bernie was Vermont's presidential elector for the Socialist Workers Party
2) Bernie chaired the SWP meeting at the Univ of Vermont where their presidential candidate, Andrew Pulley, blamed the United States for the Iran Hostage Crisis
3) Sanders spoke at a rally for Pulley for President
4) A few years later, He again spoke on behalf of other candidates being run by the Socialist Workers Party

Am I to understand that being an elector and organizer for a presidential candidate who explicitly sided with Iran and against America is different than being on record supporting the Iranians?

 

[heelmanwilm]

So just to confirm:

1) Bernie was Vermont's presidential elector for the Socialist Workers Party
2) Bernie chaired the SWP meeting at the Univ of Vermont where their presidential candidate, Andrew Pulley, blamed the United States for the Iran Hostage Crisis
3) Sanders spoke at a rally for Pulley for President
4) A few years later, He again spoke on behalf of other candidates being run by the Socialist Workers Party

Am I to understand that being an elector and organizer for a presidential candidate who explicitly sided with Iran and against America is different than being on record supporting the Iranians?

Bernie was never a swp leader nor is he on record with support for the Iranian hostage takers as your post claims. That’s what you are to understand. There’s plenty to criticize him for without lying about him.

 

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Bernie was never a swp leader nor is he on record with support for the Iranian hostage takers as your post claims. That’s what you are to understand. There’s plenty to criticize him for without lying about him.

He literally chaired the SWP Presidential Candidate's speeches and voted for him as an appointed elector in the Presidential Election. How much more support do you want to see?

 

[heelmanwilm]

He literally chaired the SWP Presidential Candidate's speeches and voted for him as an appointed elector in the Presidential Election. How much more support do you want to see?

I want to see where he was a party “leader” and where he went on record supporting the hostage takers.

I voted for Romney but I don’t support Mormonism and wasn’t republican

I voted for mccain but didn’t support his environmental policies and wasn’t a republican

I voted for Bill Clinton but didn’t support his views on abortion and wasn’t a democrat

 

[heelmanwilm]

That sounds like support.

Yes it automatically and without question signifies he agrees with and supports every single policy and issue supported by the candidate and the party. Just like you support every single policy and action of trump’s including mocking a disabled person, cheating on your wife, and bragging about sexually assaulting women.

 

[dadika13]

I want to see where he was a party “leader” and where he went on record supporting the hostage takers.

I voted for Romney but I don’t support Mormonism and wasn’t republican

I voted for mccain but didn’t support his environmental policies and wasn’t a republican

I voted for Bill Clinton but didn’t support his views on abortion and wasn’t a democrat

/debate.

 

[UNC71-00]

Yes it automatically and without question signifies he agrees with and supports every single policy and issue supported by the candidate and the party. Just like you support every single policy and action of trump’s including mocking a disabled person, cheating on your wife, and bragging about sexually assaulting women.

Apparently you don't remember 1979-1980. The Hostages were the biggest story almost every day, if not every day. All other issues were secondary. Unless you are a froot loop, there is no way to possibly justify supporting a candidate who blamed the US for the Iranians taking us hostage, regardless of any other support for any other issues.

But nice try with the whataboutism. It's a good move, especially when you are backed into a corner, but I have seen it too often to take the bait. Better reload and try again.

 

[heelmanwilm]

But count me in agreement that Bernie v trump debate would be must see tv

 

[UNC71-00]

/debate.

Right, because a citizen voting for a candidate is exactly the same as chairing a candidate's speeches and serving as a presidential elector. Completely identical.

You don't really believe this, do you? Please tell me you don't.

 

[heelmanwilm]

Apparently you don't remember 1979-1980. The Hostages were the biggest story almost every day, if not every day. All other issues were secondary. Unless you are a froot loop, there is no way to possibly justify supporting a candidate who blamed the US for the Iranians taking us hostage, regardless of any other support for any other issues.

But nice try with the whataboutism. It's a good move, especially when you are backed into a corner, but I have seen it too often to take the bait. Better reload and try again.

Reload

where is the proof he was an swp “leader” and went “on record“ supporting the Iranian hostage takers?

Waiting on answers from the corner YOU’RE backed into

 

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Reload

where is the proof he was an swp “leader” and went “on record“ supporting the Iranian hostage takers?

Waiting on answers from the corner YOU’RE backed into

Yes or no: Does being an elector and serving as chair for SWP Presidential candidate make a person a leader of the SWP?

 

[heelmanwilm]

Yes or no: Does being an elector and serving as chair for SWP Presidential candidate make a person a leader of the SWP?

Absolutely not

yes or no

if If you never joined a certain political party, held office in it, or ran on a ticket for it would you be considered a leader of it?

 

[nctransplant]

Yes or no: Does being an elector and serving as chair for SWP Presidential candidate make a person a leader of the SWP?

Absolutely not

yes or no

if If you never joined a certain political party, held office in it, or ran on a ticket for it would you be considered a leader of it?

You can't make this shit up

 

[UNC71-00]

Absolutely not

 

[UNC71-00]

if If you never joined a certain political party, held office in it, or ran on a ticket for it would you be considered a leader of it?

Certainly could be. None of those things disqualify one from being a leader of the party, especially one as insane as the Social Workers Party.

 

[heelmanwilm]

You can't make this shit up

Making shit up like claiming sanders is “on record” supporting the Iranian hostage takers?

 

[heelmanwilm]

Certainly could be. None of those things disqualify one from being a leader of the party, especially one as insane as the Social Workers Party.

“I’m not gonna join your party or run on its ticket for any office but trust me...I’m a leader of it!”

bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!

 

[UNC71-00]

Making shit up like claiming sanders is “on record” supporting the Iranian hostage takers?

Sanders is on record supporting and voting for a radical lunatic presidential candidate who repeatedly and explicitly stated that the US was to blame for the Iranian Hostage Crisis.

Does this make you feel better?

 

[UNC71-00]

“I’m not gonna join your party or run on its ticket for any office but trust me...I’m a leader of it!”

bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!

When a party consists of 5 people, they will take anyone they can get.

You sure do like to dig in when you are completely wrong and exposed, but this is a leap, even for you.

 

[heelmanwilm]

When a party consists of 5 people, they will take anyone they can get.

You sure do like to dig in when you are completely wrong and exposed, but this is a leap, even for you.

Wrong and exposed about what? I said he wasn’t a leader and never went on record supporting the hostage takers. You’ve offered NOTHING to refute that.

 

[UNC71-00]

Wrong and exposed about what? I said he wasn’t a leader and never went on record supporting the hostage takers. You’ve offered NOTHING to refute that.

I have said all sorts of things that refute this but you have different opinions as to what constitutes leadership and what constitutes support.