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there hasn’t been a repub or dem presidential candidate with trumps lack of morals since David duke
@Raising Heel trying to use fancy words and acting like he's a lexicographer.
It absolutely is, and this is precisely why I didn't want to answer your original question. You have vaccinated yourself against reason. If we were to make a list of all the immoral deeds of each candidate, Trump's would stretch around the block.
I'm done here.
It’s an annual festival here. We call it “cbaf” (Carolina beach as fuk).
here you go again saying that one persons immorality matters more to you than another.
Why can’t you just say you don’t like Trump because of his style?
ETA: saying “I’m done here” is quite rude and condescending. Was that on purpose?
I completely understand your point.
I too would like to have the best human ever be our president. That type of person doesn’t run for president though.
And if they did, someone would find something they said/did 20 years ago that would make them not the best human ever.
That's the smart thing to do for one simple reason. The very things that make you (and I) dislike Trump are the things that they love about him. Now you won't get them to admit to a lot of it, but they do. That makes it impossible for the two sides to come together.
"I'm done here" signifies that I'm finished having a pointless conversation. You refuse to acknowledge the obvious, even after having it pointed out to you. I'll give you one more try.
Q: Name all the presidents (or presidential candidates) who had ever condoned a personal assault.
A: Obama effectively condoned Trayvon Martin assaulting That Mexican dude for following him. Because “being followed by a white man is part of the black experience “, and “35 years ago that could’ve been me”. Basically saying the action was justified.
it’s obvious anyone can literally interpret anything from any statement based how they already feel about an individual...this is a prime example, and i think you should read his statement again...i’m just saying.
Well, for starters Joe Biden actually admitted to personally assaulting someone.
In an interview with Chris Cuomo, he compared President Trump to "the bully that used to make fun when I was a kid that I stutter, and I’d smack them in the mouth."
And Bernie Sanders says that women fantasize about being sexually assaulted. "A woman enjoys intercourse with her man — as she fantasizes being raped by 3 men simultaneously."
Will you now acknowledge the obvious?
I love trolls trolling trolls who are trolling
Pathetic. Equating a child who's being bullied with the bully himself. Next question.
Q: Name all the presidents (or presidential candidates) who have ever invited foreign interference into a U.S. election.
The uninsured can get tested just like anyone else can. They have to pay for it, like anyone else does. Except others have insurance companies to pay on their behalf.
Pathetic. Equating a child who's being bullied with the bully himself. Next question.
Q: Name all the presidents (or presidential candidates) who have ever invited foreign interference into a U.S. election.
So some types of assault are acceptable. It's nice to know morals can be flexible when need be.
My turn to ask a question now:
Q: Name all of the presidents (or presidential candidates) who actually arranged for foreign interference in a US Election.
ETA Here's another Biden comment where he claims to want to assault someone (namely, the President): "They asked me would I like to debate this gentleman, and I said no. I said, 'If we were in high school, I'd take him behind the gym and beat the hell out of him,'" said Biden, getting laughter and applause from the crowd at the University of Miami.
Is this acceptable condoning of violence or no? Just trying to figure out the rules here.
No only is it admirable, but it's safer. One of the most comforting things about the Trump presidency is knowing that if he really started to go off the rails - we'd know about it instantly because he's too careless to cover it up. Stealthier (and arguably smarter) politicians can keep the public in the dark until it's too late on a lot of things.
Better the devil you know than the devil you don't.
oh, then you should head up the task force because a) you knew the answer to the question and b) because you actually answered it for the millions watching.
I think this is well said and I agree with the basic premise of it, I just don't know if it's that black and white.
I think all politicians are varying levels of corrupt, immoral, dishonest, etc. I genuinely think some are good people who have to do some less than good things to get to the top of the profession so they can do good things (if that makes sense). I also think some are self-righteous, irrational, egotistical narcissists who do bad things because they are at their core immoral and corrupt. Do some hide both of those better than others and do they care to hide it more? Yep.
Where Trump falls into the spectrum of these two extremes above is personal to each person. I tend to think he leans toward the latter of the two above based on the things he says and does. Some disagree and that's fine.
My issue is Trump "being himself" is at his core just a shitty person. I don't feel that way about too many of our past Presidents (probably 10 off the top of my head).
You might if you knew them as they really are/were. But, I like to hope that none of them are as vapid, and as unaware of how crass they really are to others, as Trump seems to be.
You've heard the "secret tapes" of Nixon and LBJ talking to aides and others in their own circle. Nixon dropped some zingers when talking with some of them. Like: "every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. ... I suppose it's because most of them are psychiatrists."
Oh definitely, I'm sure that could go either way. 10 that I don't like could actually be good people and some of my Presidents who I thought were great guys could have been just evil once you know them.
Nixon is definitely on my list of "yeah, this is probably a really shitty dude" and a lot of it is based on the tapes. Had other Presidents been dumb enough to record themselves breaking the law I'm sure I'd have more.
This conversation going exactly as expected.
My problem, as originally stated, is with Trump’s contempt for democratic norms and basic decency. He regularly and openly derides core institutions of democratic governance: the independent press, the judiciary, the congress, the intelligence community, the validity of elections, the legitimacy of democratic contestation, the peaceful transfer of power, etc.
Perhaps what I find most troubling is his tortured relationship with the truth. His mendacity knows no limits and flies in the face of objectively verifiable facts. He has denied Russian interference in the 2016 election, which was confirmed by the U.S. Intelligence Community and the Senate Intelligence Committee. He has contradicted the National Weather Service about the impacts of Hurricane Dorian. He has undermined the World Health Organization's assessment of the coronavirus. And so on.
This is not a friend or a neighbor believing in harmless conspiracy theories. This is the leader of the free world not only rejecting the advice and judgment of experts in their fields, but contradicting them with falsehoods. I could spend several more paragraphs explaining why that's highly problematic, but I suspect I'd be wasting my breath.
These are not matters of "style." These are fundamental, existential threats to our republic. I will not vote for him under any circumstances. I have nothing more to add on the subject.
The thing that frustrates me (and his base) is that in 2020 we can fact check him in 30 seconds and see that he's lying and he just doesn't care. His base also just doesn't care that he lies. They do the lame "well, Obama/Hillary/(insert democrat) lied too."
If this were 1980 and we didn't have the internet, then fine, say what you think the public needs to hear and know you can get away with it. Like the mortality rate of Corona is a great example. In the past, sure, say it's 1% if you think it will ease the public and not have everyone start preparing for the end of time. He could argue that's better for the country and I'd agree.
In 2020, Trump knows he's going to get called out for a lie and just doesn't give a shit. That just bothers me.
There is a long game being played here, which is that he is trying to position himself as the "truth" and authority on all matters. Textbook authoritarian behavior. But as you said, many can't recognize it so it's pointless to protest.
I probably shared this before. But, when I saw/heard this, it gove me some insight that I had never considered, or thought possible.
Penn Gillette on the Joe Rogan Experience talking about his experiences on The Apprentice and things he observed about Trump as an individual. It's ALMOST like he is an automaton in a way.
He has no sense of humor (the way we assume most people do) and he has no affection for music. I've never known anyone that didn't have a love for some kind of music! It's like loving laughter. And, there again, with laughter, he's not someone who laughs.
Penn Gillette on the Joe Rogan Experience talking about his experiences on The Apprentice and things he observed about Trump as an individual. It's ALMOST like he is an automaton in a way.
He has no sense of humor (the way we assume most people do) and he has no affection for music. I've never known anyone that didn't have a love for some kind of music! It's like loving laughter. And, there again, with laughter, he's not someone who laughs.
Yes, this conversation is going exactly as I expected, which is why I opened yesterday with:
And his open derision of:
- the press (which is most certainly not independent under any definition but the most tortured one),
- judiciary (hey, at least he's not acting like Schumer or Obama)
- Congress (is there any body in this country more worthy of contempt)
- the Intelligence Community (which lied under oath multiple times to investigate him in order to sabotage his presidency)
I could continue on carving up the rest of your poast, but that is almost certainly a pointless endeavor. You have bought into your own conspiracy theories and it seems to me that you used the heavy duty version of Reynolds Wrap to construct your hat, so I doubt I would make any progress. Continue being threatened by Trump and justifying how a vote for Bernie saves our republic if you wish. If so, I promise just to chuckle and scroll on without comment.
"I did not have sex with that woman" Stated under oath. Never prosecuted for perjury. No consequences whatsoever.
"If you like your plan you can keep your plan" Elected to another term.
It's not that I don't care about Trump lying, it is that I don't care about any of them lying any more. And I think there are a whole lot of people who feel the same as I do.
That's rich coming from the guy who thought PizzaGate was real, Hillary Clinton was being pumped full of drugs to hide a neurological disorder, and Bill Clinton might have an illegitimate son. Nothing I said, with the possible exception of my conclusion, remotely resembles a conspiracy theory. You're welcome to read it again.
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Ok, then I look forward to you not complaining at any point moving forward about any liberal politician lying.
Now you've jumped the shark. He was literally impeached for perjury.
So when you said you were done, you didn't really mean that you were done? I thought that kind of shit was unacceptable.
I believe all of those things may be real. I do not dismiss things out of hand because I think I am smarter than everyone else.
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