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That's what I meant. If you just replace the words, you're saying something libs can also say about Republicans and Trump.
Yes- I was trying to figure out what lines he crossed that put you to the point that you would vote for any Democrat.
Anyone defending Schumer's comments should be ashamed of themselves. What he said was reprehensible and he should issue an unconditional apology. Good on Roberts for calling him out.
Yep. So libs defending something crazy will always point to Trump and go "well look guys, you're doing it also." Which is probably even more shitty.
It's the whole "well what about him, he's worse" argument when defending something you did wrong. Trump does it constantly with Obama/Hillary and libs do it with Trump. Sucks.
Ok, but shouldn't the leaders of the Democrat party be demanding an apology from Schumer? He made comments threatening judges. Is there anyone in the Democrat party who has called him out?
Trump contradicts WHO regarding coronavirus death rate on a “hunch”. Now that’s leadership.
Are you suggesting you don't enjoy working 1 in every 4 days for the government? Pfffft.
Are you of the belief that he has NOT attacked our democratic norms and institutions?
my guess is they’ll use the example set by trump supporters when he mocked a disabled person. Deny it, lie about it, mischaracterize it, rationalize it, blame the media...
I think you meant like the example set by Clinton supporters when they blamed the woman for being raped by Clinton.
You must be one of those evil 1% people.
Putting aside this came from DJT Jr...I agree with the idea here that this isn't really something that should be debatable. The issue, as someone explained in the comments, is making state law take precedence over federal law.
I argue that stealing of IDs, especially by illegals, should be prosecuted to the fullest extent as a federal law. If anyone thinks it shouldn't - I'd love to hear the other side cuz I can't come up with one.
No, I am completely of the belief that he has attacked many democratic norms and institutions and I approve of almost all of them.
Which line(s) has he crossed that would cause you to vote for an avowed socialist?
Not really, certainly not near 7 figures which is what I consider 1%. Wife and I both work full time (and work our asses off) at pretty good jobs and get nabbed for over 1/4 of our pay. Hell I'm on here during conference calls where I'm not actively needed just to break up my day.
If Bernie wants free healthcare and education, does my rate go to 30%, 33%, 35%? Nah, I'm good with Trump grabbing some puss instead.
I read an article about this yesterday, but I didn't read the decision or the law in question. What I was wondering is how this became an immigration case. Unless the law specifically targeted illegals, then this was just an identity fraud issue.
That's just bottom line on my tax return. I was surprised that yearly taxes weren't all that different than the US when I moved here. The biggest pain is HST (sales tax). 13 frigging %. Let's just say there have been a few items I did not declare a customs over the years.
Will be happy to answer that after you answer the question I posed first yesterday evening.
Yeah - I see why it would be a separate immigration case because the theft of an ID to get a job "legally" is different than the theft of an ID to open up loans in terms of scope/reach.
Both, in my opinion, are deplorable. I've heard horror stories of people having their identity stolen and it impacting the rest of their life.
I suspect that the examples you don't approve of are the foundation of what troubles me. Let's start there.
So go ahead and list them and we can start.
How can I list the examples you don't approve of? I don't know what they are.
List the examples that you don't approve of- you brought it up first.
Gotta go into a meeting now. Be back in an hour
Was the law specific to a job or just stealing identity in general? It doesn't really matter if it was just for a job though. Regular citizens can steal for that too. I realize that illegals are more likely to do it, but they aren't the only ones. It seems to me that the defense came up with this immigration angle because that was their only chance of winning.
what are you, a woman? You made a statement and now keep changing the argument.
I haven't changed the argument one iota. Frankly, I don't believe that you actually disapprove of any of his attacks.
Ya, if we can get a list of norms and institutions that have been destroyed, maybe we can come to an agreement on which ones we care about and which ones we don't.
WTF is this, a game of "let me answer your question with another question"?
WTF is this, a game of "let me answer your question with another question"?
this issue is the constitutionality of a state enforcing a federal law. Since it involves immigration of course it becomes politicized but no ones claiming it shouldn’t be illegal to steal id’s like dip shit Donald seems to be implying.
Not sure it's worth anyone's time, because everyone already knows what the responses to that list will be. It will be either "it doesn't matter to me" or a "but president _______ did it first." Just a waste of time.
State and federal laws do this all the time. Why should this one be different, especially if it isn't an actual immigration law?
Let’s recap, shall we? You said this:
to which I responded:
and now you keep asking me what I approve of.
Are you going to tell us what norms and institutions that are being attacked are causing you to be ok to vote for any Democrat?
to which I responded:
and now you keep asking me what I approve of.
Are you going to tell us what norms and institutions that are being attacked are causing you to be ok to vote for any Democrat?
Ya, that's true. We already have a method to determine whether we think what has happened over the last 3.5 years is good or bad. It's called voting.
My list is rather long (and I said attacked, not destroyed). I suspect @UNC71-00's list is rather short, or doesn't exist at all. Which is why...
I'm actually asking what he disapproves of, but you get the drift.
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