Nope but I would think understanding what motivates killers would help in catching them. Not that it’s relevant in this case but in general.
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Nope but I would think understanding what motivates killers would help in catching them. Not that it’s relevant in this case but in general.
There will always be people that vehemently deny race played any part whatsoever in crimes like this, just as there will always be people that only care about the case/situation because it allows them the opportunity to hop on a soapbox about racial injustices.
The bottom line, and really the only thing that's worth discussing about it, is this guy got straight up murdered and those two fvckers can't get the chair fast enough as far as I'm concerned.
I don't think they killed him because he was black they say they have footage of him snooping around after dark and possibly stole something im sure if this is true the footage will come out in trial. But I do think that the fact that they were not charged until 70 something days after it happened and only after a videos comes out is because they were white and that they had ties to the police department.
lol come on. You really believe these guys have footage of him snooping after dark? That’s just a really shitty excuse. Even if he was, that’s an excuse to kill the guy? We agree on the second part.
Do you just look at who is posting stuff and just disagree because of who is posting it and even read the post?
I never said it was an excuse I never said they had footage! I said they said they have footage and if that was true it would come out in the trial. If this is the case doesn't that even though still wrong doesn't that change the "they killed him because he was black point of view"?
I never said it was an excuse to kill him! Everyone is saying they killed him simply because he was black. Killing someone is wrong under most circumstances outside of someone hurting your family or for self defense.
These guys are trash at best but to say they killed him because he was black is a reach. That is yet to be proven.
I don't think that racism doesn't exist matter of fact if you would have read my post i am more concerned about the fact that they were allowed to go free for 70 something days until a video came out that is more alarming from a race standpoint!
People have been killing joggers and hitchhikers for years are you telling me that all of those were not ever race related, or did we just not care about those? I posted a news reports yesterday about a black guy killing a white female jogger and no one cares about it. How do we know that he didn't kill her because she was white? I know he didn't kill her because she was white but why isn't the questions ever ask when the shoe was on the other foot?
These guys were wrong and should be in jail and soon to be prison, but there is more to this story than them just finding a random black guy and killing him because he was black!
are you just completely dense? How obsessed with the hate crime nonsense do you have to be in order to avoid using any common sense at all and to create reasons why many don't want to jump on your crazy train? Focusing on the nonsensical gets in the way of meting out actual justice. Justice is the only thing that should be considered when one's rights are trampled. Everything else is just libs assuaging their misplaced guilt feelings and/or behaving like lemmings..
WE are the potential victims that justice is pursued for, in the name of the dead victim. Tell me how it matters to him whether the guy who murdered him hated him or not. What matters to me as a potential victim also is not whether someone who might murder me does so because he hates me, but rather simply that he might murder me for any reason. Jesus it's hard to believe how badly people let their feelings get in the way of simple logic. You don't understand that hate laws are born of the thought processes of those with lesser intellects who believe you can somehow make hate illegal by attaching it to actual crimes.
Dude what the hell. I am not obsessed with the hate crime aspect of this. If anything you are obsessed with debunking or downplaying the hate crime aspect of this. It has nothing to do with feelings getting in the way of anything.
The fact that you keep rambling on about “libs” suggests you’re still being defensive about this. What for? What is crazy about suggesting that these two guys automatically assumed that because he was black he was up to no good in a state that is only 55 years removed from Jim Crow and 150 years removed from slavery?
People like that didn’t just disappear overnight and it’s important to recognize that. All I’m trying to say. Then put them behind bars and be done with it.
As I said, the reason does matter despite your claim otherwise. If the guy wasn’t black he’d be alive. That is why people are outraged. And you can’t blame them for being so.
Here’s an interesting race related story that really makes you think. Here in Wilmington an armed group of vigilantes including a uniformed off-duty cop forced their way into a home searching for a guy they felt was responsible for the disappearance of a local neighborhood girl (disappear as in run off with) They had the wrong house, and refused to listen to the teen who answered the door or his mom when she came downstairs and insisted that the house they were looking for was next-door. The police showed up and incredibly no one was arrested nor was anyone’s names even taken down. (They did release the name of the off duty cop) Could have been a disaster. So you read the story and you think one thing. Then you hear later from non media sources that the girl and the crowd was white and the suspect and occupants of the house were black. Not saying it was a race crime, but it is interesting how knowing /not knowing the race skews the story.
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people who don't have enough of an argument use vague terms like 'related to'. Related to in what way? Motive is considered evidence in establishing guilt of a crime, for instance, but what's being discussed here is using hate to establish the nature of the crime. The use of hate as a factor of the crime itself tries to establish a hate crime as a different sort of crime. That is, to murder with hate somehow being a different crime than to murder for gain. You can hate and you can desire gain, but it's crossing the line to murder in any case that we should be concerned with.
It's crazy because it doesn't matter what the murderers thought, other than to help establish guilt...and even that is sketchy. Establishing guilt is NOT what we have been talking about. And it's crazy because you somehow believe that it does matter as to the crime itself. You can not tell me how.
Throwing out terms like 'legacy of hate' or whatever it was you said previously is not much more than inanity.
"If the guy wasn’t black he’d be alive". Try to grasp this. Whether the guy was black or not black is questionably a factor in his murder. What is NOT questionable is that he would be alive if the guys who murdered him were not murderers. Punish the murderer not the motive.
Its hard to debate racism with someone that supports and defends a group like planned parenthood a group that was founding by a white supremacist for the sole reason of killing black babies to control the the population of the african american community.
If you can’t see how a black man getting run down and killed by two white guys in a backroad in Georgia doesn’t add another dimension to this, I don’t know what to tell you. If you honestly believe the two men currently imprisoned would have done the exact the same thing if the jogger was white, that’s being naive. You cannot blatantly ignore that race has played a factor here.
It is possible to both focus on putting them in prison and addressing the unfortunate reason why. Both are important.
No one here mentioned planned parenthood, but I’d love to hear how the organization has continued to promote white supremacy and advocated for the control of the black population in the modern age.
So her racism gets in the way of another liberal agenda so its okay in this case. Yet now anyone that so much as takes an email from a know racist is smeared.
79% of planned parenthood office are in minority communities. That's a purty big number!
Not to the crime itself they aren't, and I have at no time denied that race MIGHT have played a part in the murderers motivation. As such, that factor might help prove their guilt but in this case, the video is the key evidence. The video indicates that the two are murderers who accosted an individual...notice I said individual because that's all that matters...and murdered him. Does the fact that the victim is black 'add another dimension' (Jesus, let's fill our arguments with such vague and meaningless notions)? Sure, if you need to dwell on other dimensions, but it matters not to the true pursuit of justice or the elimination of hate and prejudice, both of which are elements of human nature. Good luck eliminating aspects of human nature.
Again, I have not at any time claimed that race WAS NOT a factor here, although it is just as stupid to declare that it was when you can not possibly know that. I'm saying that race is immaterial to the crime that was committed. A MAN was murdered. I guess to you, a BLACK MAN was murdered and that happens to be more significant to you than other murders. To me, all murders matter. I might even get the t-shirt.
It's clear that you have some emotional need to make meaningless gestures toward the way you envision society when you lay awake in bed at night.
I’m not making any argument dumbfuk. I was asking him what he meant with his post. So take your rambling diatribe and shove it up your ass. And oh yea happy Friday.
Kinda odd to spend this much time arguing that racism isn’t relevant in a case where it almost certainly is responsible for getting a man murdered. It’s not really that complicated. Racism is still a problem. We should continue to try to address it so that this kind of stuff happens less and less frequently. We didn’t make the progress that has been made since the civil rights movement by burying our heads in the sand and pretending racism doesn’t exist.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!
man in the history of this forum there’s been some stupid ass bull shit posts running the gamut of all mental disabilities but this takes the cake. Congrats.
This.
We can acknowledge that a lot of progress has been made while also acknowledging we aren’t there yet.
Can we still tell niggger jokes and expect nigggers to chuckle as we laugh? I mean, that way it's clear they still know their place.
Weird that these two men that shot the victim said that they suspected he was a burglar when no burglaries were reported in the area in the month prior to the shooting.
It's almost like they had another motive.
But hey, a guy is dead so no use figuring out why in the hopes that it could help stop future crime for that same reason amirite.
It's almost like they had another motive.
But hey, a guy is dead so no use figuring out why in the hopes that it could help stop future crime for that same reason amirite.
The guy is just dead. Stop being so sensitive to motive and honor people's right to hate other people because they're different.
Whew! If we like their music, that won't make us racist, so it all works out!
true, you aren't making any argument or any point either. Thanks for helping.
Maybe because those communities are poorer and therefore those women are in greater need of assistance with their health care.
If you think PP is an organization currently devoted to eugenics and eliminating minority babies that is the dumbest shit I’ve heard all day.
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