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bluetoe said:
someone who is not pretentious (does not pretend to be other than he is)
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He is absolutely pretentious. He pretends to be someone who is competent and wise, and he's neither of them. He's been caught lying and bullshitting his lack of expertise so much, that "many people" are making a substantial living pointing them out.

bluetoe said:
who talks to you (you being those he doesn't count as hostile to him) in a straightforward manner and without unwarranted condescension.
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I'm not sure about condescension, but, he's openly admitted to:
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And, his favorite reference, as I mentioned before, is "many people are saying..." That is the epitome of condescending.
bluetoe said:
Somebody who is able to get a point across that you know he is sincere about.
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He is definitely sincere about securing favor for himself. But, I dunno if that is unique or a factor in being "down to earth."

bluetoe said:
Someone who concerns himself more with substance than style (except in choice of wives, where he might indulge in substance and style).
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Donald Trump is the epitome of the appearance. His entire life is literally one long saga of the presentation and not the actual work. The veneer, the exterior, the commercial... they all look good. But, what is really underneath is cheap, poorly-made, and lacking substance. Believing that he's the opposite of that is obviously choosing to believe in "alternate facts." His entire legacy is a case study in style-over-substance.
 
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bluetoe said:
you're seriously asking for a definition of 'down to Earth'?

I'll play. To me, DTE implies someone who is not pretentious (does not pretend to be other than he is) and who talks to you (you being those he doesn't count as hostile to him) in a straightforward manner and without unwarranted condescension. Somebody who is able to get a point across that you know he is sincere about. Someone who concerns himself more with substance than style (except in choice of wives, where he might indulge in substance and style).

Not someone who is careful to not tell lies while planning a sneak attack on your poopchute.
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um, yes i was serious...and based your response and tagging trump as that, you clearly are not serious.
 
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If Hunter Biden did something illegal he needs to be brought to justice. Corruption is killing this country.

Johnson and Grassley's report today raises concerns about a possible conflict of interest arising from Hunter Biden's position on the Burisma board, it concludes that "the extent to which" his role "affected U.S. policy toward Ukraine is not clear."

So far nothing is found, so not guilty, but they should keep looking if they think he's done something corrupt.
 
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Hark_The_Sound_2010 said:
This is how I feel about him and anyone else that attends protests or counter protests looking for trouble. If they're dumbasses, and die, I certainly wouldn't feel sorry for them. Hell, I might be so inclined as to root for it.

Like those morons that sit in the middle of a highway as part of a protest, and fvck up thousands of people's days. Doesn't just a little bit of you want to see some guy who's had a rough day just say "fvck it" and steamroll all their asses?
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blazers said:
Flynn chose to lie under oath, he destroyed his own life when he chose politics over truth.
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really? He did? I hadn’t heard that. Please elaborate and supply a credible link or two.

(also, if you choose to play, please be aware that I am getting ready to walk the dog on you)
 
strummingram said:
He is absolutely pretentious. He pretends to be someone who is competent and wise, and he's neither of them. He's been caught lying and bullshitting his lack of expertise so much, that "many people" are making a substantial living pointing them out.


I'm not sure about condescension, but, he's openly admitted to:
l3rAkH9.gif

And, his favorite reference, as I mentioned before, is "many people are saying..." That is the epitome of condescending.

He is definitely sincere about securing favor for himself. But, I dunno if that is unique or a factor in being "down to earth."


Donald Trump is the epitome of the appearance. His entire life is literally one long saga of the presentation and not the actual work. The veneer, the exterior, the commercial... they all look good. But, what is really underneath is cheap, poorly-made, and lacking substance. Believing that he's the opposite of that is obviously choosing to believe in "alternate facts." His entire legacy is a case study in style-over-substance.
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your post is exactly what I expected from you and those of your wrongheaded anti-Trump mindset. The question is of my definition of 'DTE'. In your condescension, you tout your disdain for the poorly educated while Trump expresses affection for them, and somehow you find that to be a failing in him. That he calls the poorly educated exactly what they are is what being down to Earth is. That is NOT condescension and it is NOT wrong, other than in the minds of terminally PC idiots who think that referring to them obliquely somehow avoids the embarrassing (to the PC) reality at hand.

PC fools are too stupid to realize that the insult is IN thinking that they need to be referred to as something other than what they actually are. ETA that I can only dream of returning to a time when we are encouraged to be proud of what we are and not told to be ashamed and insulted and victimized by the simple truth at hand such that mindless word games make it all better. Is Hillary or Joe going to help in that regard? Or is Trump? You know the answer. The comedy is in that Biden will try to play a PC role while ignorantly spewing non-PC insults left and right.

Thank you for helping me perfectly make my point. Beyond that, as expected you rely on distorted meanings of condescension and pretentiousness in your off-the-mark response. AS EXPECTED.
 
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gteeitup said:
um, yes i was serious...and based your response and tagging trump as that, you clearly are not serious.
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what a surprise, I provide a substantive answer and you deflect in response. Knock me over with a spoon (that's a joke, nitwit).
 
Only two people shot in Louisville yesterday. Kinda sad that we're at a point where only two people being shot is a good thing.
 
What does everybody think about Trump refusing to concede if he loses the election?
 
bluetoe said:
your post is exactly what I expected from you and those of your wrongheaded anti-Trump mindset. The question is of my definition of 'DTE'. In your condescension, you tout your disdain for the poorly educated while Trump expresses affection for them, and somehow you find that to be a failing in him. That he calls the poorly educated exactly what they are is what being down to Earth is. That is NOT condescension and it is NOT wrong, other than in the minds of terminally PC idiots who think that referring to them obliquely somehow avoids the embarrassing (to the PC) reality at hand.

PC fools are too stupid to realize that the insult is IN thinking that they need to be referred to as something other than what they actually are. ETA that I can only dream of returning to a time when we are encouraged to be proud of what we are and not told to be ashamed and insulted and victimized by the simple truth at hand such that mindless word games make it all better. Is Hillary or Joe going to help in that regard? Or is Trump? You know the answer. The comedy is in that Biden will try to play a PC role while ignorantly spewing non-PC insults left and right.

Thank you for helping me perfectly make my point. Beyond that, as expected you rely on distorted meanings of condescension and pretentiousness in your off-the-mark response. AS EXPECTED.
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Your definition of Down To Earth is convoluted, and your inaccurate depiction of Donald Trump is what I would expect from one of his diehard disciples.

And, I am vehemently opposed to politically correct ideology. So, dragging that into your response made your entire post even worse. As always, a waste of time.
 
prlyles said:
What does everybody think about Trump refusing to concede if he loses the election?
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Do you mean do I think he should refuse or do you mean do you think he will refuse?

What do you think about the Democrats saying that Biden should refuse to concede?
 
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Terror Beard said:
Back to Breonna's case...

Why are folks rioting? It was a grand jury that decided there wasn't sufficient evidence to charge the LEOs. What are these protesters protesting? Who are they mad at? It was their fellow people that made the ruling BASED ON THE FACTS OF THE CASE.

See, this is what many of us have feared would happen if we didn't put a stop to the rioting. We have created an environment that says it's ok to just act like a child throwing a tantrum if something happens in the world that you don't like. We've endorsed such simple minded reactionary behavior by not squashing the riots when they first happened.
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I have no idea what the issue is with Taylor being shot, at least I don't understand why anyone has an issue with the cops. Maybe one of the libs can ELI5.
 
Terror Beard said:
You don't get to decide how he defines "down to earth". Look, we all know you think you're the smartest guy around. But many of us laugh at that notion. Yet, we still let you think it.

And "waste of time"? Did you really just type that? That's rich coming from a guy who has over 30k poasts, the majority of them being just drivel that satisfies your own narcissistic needs of being noticed and for people here to see you as some deep thinker. GTFOH with that garbage.
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My envious biographer is throwing a hissy-fit... again.
 
This one is tough.

- She was dating a dude for years who was a huge drug dealer and he used her home to receive drugs.
- His home wasn't near her home but judge still gave the warrant for them to enter.
- They entered in a way that's legal at the time (not announcing it's police) but has since been modified to make it so they do have to announce.
- They conducted a middle of the night raid even though they knew the ex wasn't in the house.
- Cop got shot in the leg and opened fire. Tough to blame him for that.
- He thought it was her ex breaking into the house, which I think makes sense cuz he was an awful dude.
- He was licensed to carry that gun and I think most people agree that you can defend your home when you think someone is breaking in.
- Cops then blindly fired in the house shooting Taylor like 5 times. That said, you see one of yours get shot, damn right you should shoot back.

Is she an idiot for allowing her house to previously be used as a spot to receive drugs? Yup. Did she deserve to die for it, especially when she wasn't with the guy anymore and the cops knew he wasn't in the house? Nope.

I lean toward the cops on this one, as I will with most 50/50 stuff like this. Cop got shot by someone in a house that he had a warrant to enter, hard to then prosecute the guy for doing his job.
 
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IMO...the best delivery system for a nuke is a cargo container sitting in a freight yard. Im afraid that one day we are going to understand just how simple it really is.
 
dadika13 said:
This one is tough.

- She was dating a dude for years who was a huge drug dealer and he used her home to receive drugs.
- His home wasn't near her home but judge still gave the warrant for them to enter.
- They entered in a way that's legal at the time (not announcing it's police) but has since been modified to make it so they do have to announce.
- They conducted a middle of the night raid even though they knew the ex wasn't in the house.
- Cop got shot in the leg and opened fire. Tough to blame him for that.
- He thought it was her ex breaking into the house, which I think makes sense cuz he was an awful dude.
- He was licensed to carry that gun and I think most people agree that you can defend your home when you think someone is breaking in.
- Cops then blindly fired in the house shooting Taylor like 5 times. That said, you see one of yours get shot, damn right you should shoot back.

Is she an idiot for allowing her house to previously be used as a spot to receive drugs? Yup. Did she deserve to die for it, especially when she wasn't with the guy anymore and the cops knew he wasn't in the house? Nope.

I lean toward the cops on this one, as I will with most 50/50 stuff like this. Cop got shot by someone in a house that he had a warrant to enter, hard to then prosecute the guy for doing his job.
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They DID announce they were entering. The guy said he didn't hear it but eyewitness testimony said they announced entry.
 
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dadika13 said:
This one is tough.

- She was dating a dude for years who was a huge drug dealer and he used her home to receive drugs.
- His home wasn't near her home but judge still gave the warrant for them to enter.
- They entered in a way that's legal at the time (not announcing it's police) but has since been modified to make it so they do have to announce.
- They conducted a middle of the night raid even though they knew the ex wasn't in the house.
- Cop got shot in the leg and opened fire. Tough to blame him for that.
- He thought it was her ex breaking into the house, which I think makes sense cuz he was an awful dude.
- He was licensed to carry that gun and I think most people agree that you can defend your home when you think someone is breaking in.
- Cops then blindly fired in the house shooting Taylor like 5 times. That said, you see one of yours get shot, damn right you should shoot back.

Is she an idiot for allowing her house to previously be used as a spot to receive drugs? Yup. Did she deserve to die for it, especially when she wasn't with the guy anymore and the cops knew he wasn't in the house? Nope.

I lean toward the cops on this one, as I will with most 50/50 stuff like this. Cop got shot by someone in a house that he had a warrant to enter, hard to then prosecute the guy for doing his job.
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The cops knocked and announced who they were when serving the warrant. This has been corroborated by witnesses.

Now how do you feel about it?

ETA: Timestamps back at you Transplant
 
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UNC71-00 said:
The cops knocked and announced who they were when serving the warrant. This has been corroborated by witnesses.

Now how do you feel about it?

ETA: Timestamps back at you Transplant
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NYT and Wash Post have witnesses that say they didn't. Sounds like a he said she said thing.

EDIT: What @nctransplant said is probably true, said it but didn't hear it. Again, I tend to side with the cops here because they usually make themselves pretty well known when they enter so something like this doesn't happen.

And I already said I side with the cops so if they did I'd still side with the cops....
 
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dadika13 said:
This one is tough.

- She was dating a dude for years who was a huge drug dealer and he used her home to receive drugs.
- His home wasn't near her home but judge still gave the warrant for them to enter.
- They entered in a way that's legal at the time (not announcing it's police) but has since been modified to make it so they do have to announce.
- They conducted a middle of the night raid even though they knew the ex wasn't in the house.
- Cop got shot in the leg and opened fire. Tough to blame him for that.
- He thought it was her ex breaking into the house, which I think makes sense cuz he was an awful dude.
- He was licensed to carry that gun and I think most people agree that you can defend your home when you think someone is breaking in.
- Cops then blindly fired in the house shooting Taylor like 5 times. That said, you see one of yours get shot, damn right you should shoot back.

Is she an idiot for allowing her house to previously be used as a spot to receive drugs? Yup. Did she deserve to die for it, especially when she wasn't with the guy anymore and the cops knew he wasn't in the house? Nope.

I lean toward the cops on this one, as I will with most 50/50 stuff like this. Cop got shot by someone in a house that he had a warrant to enter, hard to then prosecute the guy for doing his job.
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This is pretty much how I see it as well. It's an unfortunate/terrible situation that if everyone involved had done a little bit better would likely have ended better for all involved.

The cops were doing their job, albeit not perfectly. People being in an uproar over them not getting charged for murder, and using this as an instance of "the cops always protect their own from getting in trouble" holds no water, considering it was a grand jury of non-cops that determined there wasn't enough evidence for murder. I guess rioting because ~20 random Kentuckians after reviewing the facts of the case saw no potential for a murder charge doesn't rally the troops in the same way.
 
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UNC71-00 said:
really? He did? I hadn’t heard that. Please elaborate and supply a credible link or two.

(also, if you choose to play, please be aware that I am getting ready to walk the dog on you)
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The question isn't whether or not he lied to the fbi (which he admitted to), but why he lied. Barr's attempt to release Flynn just makes that question even more interesting. The tapes of his call to Kislyak was recorded by US Intel, but the DOJ won't release it (their arg was that it wasn't relevant to conviction or sentencing).
So did he lie to protect himself or trump or campaign folks like manafort or what?
 
dadika13 said:
NYT and Wash Post have witnesses that say they didn't. Sounds like a he said she said thing.

EDIT: What @nctransplant said is probably true, said it but didn't hear it. Again, I tend to side with the cops here because they usually make themselves pretty well known when they enter so something like this doesn't happen.

And I already said I side with the cops so if they did I'd still side with the cops....
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You tacitly supported the cops. Doesn't this make it a slam dunk?

I hate BLM and the libs for making me defend cops, but here we are.
 
blazers said:
The question isn't whether or not he lied to the fbi (which he admitted to), but why he lied. Barr's attempt to release Flynn just makes that question even more interesting. The tapes of his call to Kislyak was recorded by US Intel, but the DOJ won't release it (their arg was that it wasn't relevant to conviction or sentencing).
So did he lie to protect himself or trump or campaign folks like manafort or what?
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No, let's start with the lie. Please explain what Flynn lied about. Once we have established this, we can move on to why he lied. Or if he didn't lie, why he said he did.
 
UNC71-00 said:
You tacitly supported the cops. Doesn't this make it a slam dunk?

I hate BLM and the libs for making me defend cops, but here we are.
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Here we go again...why does everything have to be black and white? No, I don't slam dunk defend the cops actions in this case because they screwed several things up. Shit, the original incident report said Taylor was unharmed.

So again, the entire situation sucked and I see why both sides would be pissed.

I hate you for making me defend someone who supported a drug dealer for most of her adult life, but here we are.
 
strummingram said:
Your definition of Down To Earth is convoluted, and your inaccurate depiction of Donald Trump is what I would expect from one of his diehard disciples.

And, I am vehemently opposed to politically correct ideology. So, dragging that into your response made your entire post even worse. As always, a waste of time.
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you deny being PC, yet when it serves your purpose in an argument, you're all in with it. I see how you roll. No surprise.
 
dadika13 said:
Here we go again...why does everything have to be black and white? No, I don't slam dunk defend the cops actions in this case because they screwed several things up. Shit, the original incident report said Taylor was unharmed.

So again, the entire situation sucked and I see why both sides would be pissed.
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I cannot see why one side is angry at the cops for this incident, unless they are trying to claim that the cops didn't announce their presence. However the DA specifically said the following:

Cameron said evidence shows the "officers both knocked and announced their presence. It was also corroborated by a witness in an apartment near Taylor's." Therefore, Cameron said, the warrant was not served as a "no-knock" warrant. https://www.whas11.com/article/news...eral/417-7dd8174f-53f1-4af6-8baf-c36eb4bd7cc1

Finally, things become black and white when one side acts completely irrationally and criminally. Even if the cops killed her in cold blood, this does not give anyone the right to act out violently. Once you initiate violence as a response, you lose all ability to present your case. Never negotiate with terrorists.
 
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prlyles said:
What does everybody think about Trump refusing to concede if he loses the election?
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dont care ... and it doesnt matter bc he's going to walk the dog again. this election ended 2 years ago when the economy came roaring back.
 
bleeduncblue said:
dont care ... and it doesnt matter bc he's going to walk the dog again. this election ended 2 years ago when the economy came roaring back.
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Don't tell the 8% that are unemployed or the record 14% that were unemployed in April, for some reason they think the economy isn't roaring in 2020.
 
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