OOTB's Political Thread . ..

[uncboy10]

Of course, he had holdings in foreign countries. What is he doing to enrich himself? You don't need his tax returns in order to figure that out. What actions have even happened that makes you think this could be a conflict of interest? You can't just say, "He has had business dealing with other countries, so there is an obvious conflict of interest." There has to be some kind of red flag, like did he sell 20% of the US uranium to a company in another country, and then that country donated over $100 million to your slush fun...I mean charity.

If you’re going to quote someone, you should use their actual words. Especially when you literally just complained about people twisting your words...

Business ties with the Saudis, then goes out of his way not to condemn them for murdering a journalist.

Business ties with Russian oligarchs, and takes sides with Putin over our own intelligence agencies.

He spends half his time at a resort that is clearly his way of selling access to the presidency.

The Chinese government has rented properties that he owns...

The list goes on and on.

 

[NoleSoup4U]

If you’re going to quote someone, you should use their actual words. Especially when you literally just complained about people twisting your words...

Business ties with the Saudis, then goes out of his way not to condemn them for murdering a journalist.

Business ties with Russian oligarchs and takes sides with Putin over our own intelligence agencies.

He spends half his time at a resort that is clearly his way of selling access to the presidency.

The Chinese government has rented properties that he owns...

The list goes on and on.

So, the Chinese rent his properties so he slaps massive tariffs on them? That definitely sounds like collusion to me. He likes his Florida home and golf course? That's obviously collusion, just because. The journalist thing with the Saudi's? It's none of our business, plus he wasn't exactly warm to them about the situation. As for our intelligence agencies, are you talking the agency where the top three or four people had to be fired because of biases? That intelligence agency?

 

[uncboy10]

So, the Chinese rent his properties so he slaps massive tariffs on them? That definitely sounds like collusion to me. He likes his Florida home and golf course? That's obviously collusion, just because. The journalist thing with the Saudi's? It's none of our business, plus he wasn't exactly warm to them about the situation. As for our intelligence agencies, are you talking the agency where the top three or four people had to be fired because of biases? That intelligence agency?

Those tariffs don’t hurt the Chinese nearly as much as they hurt Americans. And I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that Ivanka just got awarded 14 trademarks in China...

He also sold the Saudis over 100 billion in US arms.

His “home” happens to have rental properties and a golf course. The reason he spends so much time there is because he wants it to be clear that membership to that club gets you access to the president. Kinda funny how the same guy who complained about Obama playing golf spends so much time on a golf course...

Yeah, our intelligence agencies. Vs a murdering Russian dictator that wants to bring back the Soviet Union...

 

[NoleSoup4U]

Those tariffs don’t hurt the Chinese nearly as much as they hurt Americans. And I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that Ivanka just got awarded 14 trademarks in China...

He also sold the Saudis over 100 billion in US arms.

His “home” happens to have rental properties and a golf course. The reason he spends so much time there is because he wants it to be clear that membership to that club gets you access to the president. Kinda funny how the same guy who complained about Obama playing golf spends so much time on a golf course...

Yeah, our intelligence agencies. Vs a murdering Russian dictator that wants to bring back the Soviet Union...

How so? Evidently, the financial community of both countries isn't buying that, because our stock market is thriving and their stock market is getting hosed into the storm sewer by Cousin Eddy. The GDP of the US is growing to the point where the FED felt they had to raise interest rates three times in one year, while their GDP is dropping. So tell me, what financial or economic markers are you basing your claims off?

As for selling arms, I'm not a big fan of selling arms to countries full of human rights violators, but that's hardly contained to just Trump. Clinton sold weapons that were used in ethnic cleansing over in Eastern Asia. Obama sold weapons that were used to murder US citizens. So, let's not open this can of worms, shall we?

 

[UNC71-00]

How so? Evidently, the financial community of both countries isn't buying that, because our stock market is thriving and their stock market is getting hosed into the storm sewer by Cousin Eddy. The GDP of the US is growing to the point where the FED felt they had to raise interest rates three times in one year, while their GDP is dropping. So tell me, what financial or economic markers are you basing your claims off?

As for selling arms, I'm not a big fan of selling arms to countries full of human rights violators, but that's hardly contained to just Trump. Clinton sold weapons that were used in ethnic cleansing over in Eastern Asia. Obama sold weapons that were used to murder US citizens. So, let's not open this can of worms, shall we?

Don’t say I didn’t warn you...

 

[uncboy10]

How so? Evidently, the financial community of both countries isn't buying that, because our stock market is thriving and their stock market is getting hosed into the storm sewer by Cousin Eddy. The GDP of the US is growing to the point where the FED felt they had to raise interest rates three times in one year, while their GDP is dropping. So tell me, what financial or economic markers are you basing your claims off?

As for selling arms, I'm not a big fan of selling arms to countries full of human rights violators, but that's hardly contained to just Trump. Clinton sold weapons that were used in ethnic cleansing over in Eastern Asia. Obama sold weapons that were used to murder US citizens. So, let's not open this can of worms, shall we?

Who do you think pays a tariff? They’re passed off on to consumers in the US, which is why many manufacturers are having to lay people off as they scale back production. There was no significant in change in gdp growth after the tariffs were imposed which means that’s an economic trend that has nothing to do with the tariffs. China’s growth rate slowed down from 10% which any economist could have predicted because that level of growth is totally unsustainable. They over cooked their economy and now it’s skowing down and the stock market is underperforming. Hardly a surprise. But certainly not a result of trump’s moronic tariffs.

Previous presidents have sold the Saudis arms (bad move) because getting their oil was in the US’s best interest. Trump’s conflict of interests with the Saudis make it look less like a move in the interest of the country and more a move in his own best interests. That’s why eliminating conflicts of interest are of paramount importance. We don’t know why he’s doing anything. But his narcissism and greed give us a pretty good idea.

 

[UNC71-00]

Orange man bad.

 

[NoleSoup4U]

Who do you think pays a tariff? They’re passed off on to consumers in the US, which is why many manufacturers are having to lay people off as they scale back production. There was no significant in change in gdp growth after the tariffs were imposed which means that’s an economic trend that has nothing to do with the tariffs. China’s growth rate slowed down from 10% which any economist could have predicted because that level of growth is totally unsustainable. They over cooked their economy and now it’s skowing down and the stock market is underperforming. Hardly a surprise. But certainly not a result of trump’s moronic tariffs.

Previous presidents have sold the Saudis arms (bad move) because getting their oil was in the US’s best interest. Trump’s conflict of interests with the Saudis make it look less like a move in the interest of the country and more a move in his own best interests. That’s why eliminating conflicts of interest are of paramount importance. We don’t know why he’s doing anything. But his narcissism and greed give us a pretty good idea.

So, if the price of tariffs is being passed on to the consumer, and the consumer is purchasing less, why doesn't that affect their economy at all?

And what exactly is Trump trying to get from the Saudis? Like I said prior, I'm not a big fan of selling weapons to people who are known human rights violators, but let's not pretend like this is something new. It's been going on since WWII.

 

[uncboy10]

So, if the price of tariffs is being passed on to the consumer, and the consumer is purchasing less, why doesn't that affect their economy at all?

And what exactly is Trump trying to get from the Saudis? Like I said prior, I'm not a big fan of selling weapons to people who are known human rights violators, but let's not pretend like this is something new. It's been going on since WWII.

He gets business deals for real estate properties in their country. I already pointed out the distinction between this president and prior ones.

They have other countries they can export to

 

[NoleSoup4U]

He gets business deals for real estate properties in their country. I already pointed out the distinction between this president and prior ones.

They have other countries they can export to

So, he's doing the exact same thing, but since he has a business it's so much worse? I'm not buying it. Might it be too much to ask for a link or something about your claim?

 

[uncboy10]

So, he's doing the exact same thing, but since he has a business it's so much worse? I'm not buying it. Might it be too much to ask for a link or something about your claim?

So you don't understand how a conflict of interest works. That's okay. Here ya go

Conflict_of_interest

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-and-saudi-arabia-deep-business-ties-spark-new-scrutiny/

 

[uncboy10]

"Inconsolable Jeff Sessions Tries to Commit Suicide by Smoking Joint" lol

https://politics.theonion.com/incon...zYIFlO9PDaQMW_Na0p6NCXZaT5dZGHs63LT6DPJ2-rCN8

 

[NoleSoup4U]

So you don't understand how a conflict of interest works. That's okay. Here ya go

Conflict_of_interest

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-and-saudi-arabia-deep-business-ties-spark-new-scrutiny/

Wow! Trump did business with some Saudis before he was president? That's almost as shocking as Al Capone's vault! Good work, Geraldo!

 

[UNC71-00]

Wow! Trump did business with some Saudis before he was president? That's almost as shocking as Al Capone's vault! Good work, Geraldo!

But see, that's a conflict of interest because Trump should never have done business with anyone so that he could be beyond reproach.

Trump most certainly knew he would be president one day so he used that to leverage the Saudis. How is this not obvious to you?

 

[UNC71-00]

I also appreciate Boy providing a link to conflict of interest. How anyone could accuse that guy of being a doosh is beyond me.

 

[uncboy10]

Wow! Trump did business with some Saudis before he was president? That's almost as shocking as Al Capone's vault! Good work, Geraldo!

He continuing to do business with them, hence the refusal to put his assets into a blind trust for the duration of his presidency. That's pretty much a textbook example of a conflict of interests. Watching you be deliberately obtuse is entertaining though...

 

[NoleSoup4U]

He continuing to do business with them, hence the refusal to put his assets into a blind trust for the duration of his presidency. That's pretty much a textbook example of a conflict of interests. Watching you be deliberately obtuse is entertaining though...

He isn't running his businesses, so what's your point? If something happens while he's in office, then you'll have an argument. His prior business dealings have nothing to do with what you're insinuating.

 

[UNC71-00]

Would it be a conflict of interest if Trump used his influence while president to get Ivanka a bank loan so she could expand her business?

 

[uncboy10]

He isn't running his businesses, so what's your point? If something happens while he's in office, then you'll have an argument. His prior business dealings have nothing to do with what you're insinuating.

Nobody with a halfway functioning brain believes he has surrendered control of his businesses.

Something already happened. He sold them 100 billion in arms, and I guarantee you that he will reap private benefits from that hook up.

 

[NoleSoup4U]

Nobody with a halfway functioning brain believes he has surrendered control of his businesses.

Something already happened. He sold them 100 billion in arms, and I guarantee you that he will reap private benefits from that hook up.

Well, when he does, look me up. Until then this is just another weapon sales to Saudi Arabia, nothing more. It isn't like he's selling uranium for personal gain or anything.

 

[uncboy10]

Well, when he does, look me up. Until then this is just another weapon sales to Saudi Arabia, nothing more. It isn't like he's selling uranium for personal gain or anything.

The shameless double standard here is actually hilarious.

 

[nctransplant]

The shameless double standard here is actually hilarious.

99.9% of all politicians come out far wealthier than they go in.

 

[UNC71-00]

The shameless double standard here is actually hilarious.

Would it be a conflict of interest if Trump used his influence while president to get Ivanka a bank loan so she could expand her business?

You avoiding this Mr.Shameless Double Standard?

 

[NoleSoup4U]

The shameless double standard here is actually hilarious.

The double standard of what has actually happened as opposed to what you think is likely to happen?

 

[BillyL]

Plaid shirt guy is skeptical of Sarah Slanders use of what appears to be a InfoWars doctored video of CNN's Jim Acosta at yesterday's POTUS press conference meltdown . .

 

[uncboy10]

The double standard of what has actually happened as opposed to what you think is likely to happen?

what is obviously* happening

 

[uncboy10]

99.9% of all politicians come out far wealthier than they go in.

So you're arguing that's a good thing?

 

[NoleSoup4U]

what is obviously* happening

It's so obvious, that there's no link.

 

[nctransplant]

So you're arguing that's a good thing?

No I'm not but you will never ever stop the cycle. Even your guy Bernie who has never had a real job in his life is more wealthy now than when he went in.

 

[uncboy10]

It's so obvious, that there's no link.

I already gave you a link. If you really don't think trump's businesses are benefitting from him being nice to the Saudi's then you're just being silly. They've already rented out entire floors in his hotels as thinly veiled bribes. And they got 100B in arms from the US.

 

[uncboy10]

No I'm not but you will never ever stop the cycle. Even your guy Bernie who has never had a real job in his life is more wealthy now than when he went in.

Well he does get a salary as a Senator so yeah...

This "never had a real job" trope is laughable.

 

[NoleSoup4U]

I already gave you a link. If you really don't think trump's businesses are benefitting from him being nice to the Saudi's then you're just being silly. They've already rented out entire floors in his hotels as thinly veiled bribes. And they got 100B in arms from the US.

You gave me a link of Trump business dealings before he was president. That isn't collusion.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

The Chinese government has rented properties that he owns...

Lol

The shameless double standard here is actually hilarious.

Yes. Yes it is.

 

[uncboy10]

You gave me a link of Trump business dealings before he was president. That isn't collusion.

His business dealings with the Saudis are obviously ongoing. They haven’t stopped buying or renting expensive properties from him.

 

[nctransplant]

Well he does get a salary as a Senator so yeah...

This "never had a real job" trope is laughable.

A quick look at his job history before politics is not very impressive. He is basically a career politician. Do you really think he makes enough as senator to become wealthy? And before you start about him writing books, do you think anyone would buy his books if he weren't a polarizing politician? So he's using his position as a politician to make bank.......conflict of interest.

 

[uncboy10]

A quick look at his job history before politics is not very impressive. He is basically a career politician. Do you really think he makes enough as senator to become wealthy? And before you start about him writing books, do you think anyone would buy his books if he weren't a polarizing politician? So he's using his position as a politician to make bank.......conflict of interest.

Everything about this post was absurd. First of all, even if he had never held a job outside of politics, being a senator is clearly a “real job.”

What standard are you using to call him wealthy? His wife inherited property and also earns an income. The man is in his 70’s he’s clearly had enough time to built a healthy retirement. He’s not some billionaire mogul with obscene wealth.

Writing a book as a politician is not a conflict of interest. What would the conflict be? What other party is he relying on for financial gain? He’s pretty much the opposite of a polarizing politician, unless you’re in the Fox News bubble and think he’s a communist or some ridiculous crap like that.

 

[NoleSoup4U]

His business dealings with the Saudis are obviously ongoing. They haven’t stopped buying or renting expensive properties from him.

So, he's supposed to not only turn over his companies but shut everything down as well? That seems a little unreasonable.

 

[heelmanwilm]

Chris christie as the next AG? Dear god make it stop. To me as an independent more than willing to give the benefit of the doubt to trump, this has turned into a nightmare. Chris fking christie, who doesnt support medical marijuana, who lacks the judgement to eat properly, as our top prosecutor.

 

[uncboy10]

So, he's supposed to not only turn over his companies but shut everything down as well? That seems a little unreasonable.

He’s supposed to put them in a blind trust so that there’s no way his actions as president could knowingly be based on self interest to enrich himself. Nobody said anything about shutting anything down. Do you seriously never get tired of twisting people’s words? You sure do it a lot for somebody that complains about the same thing happening to them...

 

[nctransplant]

Everything about this post was absurd. First of all, even if he had never held a job outside of politics, being a senator is clearly a “real job.”

What standard are you using to call him wealthy? His wife inherited property and also earns an income. The man is in his 70’s he’s clearly had enough time to built a healthy retirement. He’s not some billionaire mogul with obscene wealth.

Writing a book as a politician is not a conflict of interest. What would the conflict be? What other party is he relying on for financial gain? He’s pretty much the opposite of a polarizing politician, unless you’re in the Fox News bubble and think he’s a communist or some ridiculous crap like that.

Not polarizing? He calls himself a Democratic socialist. Her track record is not sparkling either.