OOTB's Political Thread . ..

[gunslingerdick]

Chief among them? Normalizing denying election results or crying fraud before and/or after. A huge chunk of the GOP candidates running in battleground states either have refused to say Biden is President or outright endorse that he didn't win. And I hope every single one of them loses. There has been no evidence of the kind of conspiracy needed to swing an American Presidential election from one person to another. We all have to accept that our side loses sometimes and that's okay.

If the election was held exactly as it had been every other Presidential election, Trump would have won. I think even you believe that. The Dems created enough fear and hysteria over the pandemic to scare everybody into accepting changes to the election process.

This one goes both ways but MAGA endorses grievance culture as much as left wing progressives. This whole idea 'things are so much worse now, things were better back in the day'. Or the idea that Democrats are 'coming for your guns'. Maybe it's the trannies coming to convert your kids at an elementary school. Or that the military is going soft because it ran a diversity ad. It's all pearl clutching and fear mongering. It's the worship of ignorance over reason.

Things are good? There is hard core evidence that things are worse. Yes, back in my day of 2019, inflation was much better. Back in my day of 2019, gas was affordable. Back in my day, the US was the top dog. We ran the world and when we said "jump", other countries asked "how high". I liked it that way. Most people liked it that way even if they wouldn't want to admit it. I don't give a shit if other countries like us. I want them to respect and fear us. F*ck all that kum-bah-yah shit.

Divisiveness. Dems and GOPers have been sniping at each other for decades but Trump truly pushed it to a whole new level. Trump called civil servants 'sick people' when issuing an executive order stripping them of job protections as one example. He uses this kind of intense hyperbole to play into people's fears and resentments. He played footsies with the Proud Boys. There isn't a line he won't cross. My father once supported Trump and has since disavowed supporting him again for the simple fact "he has ability but no ethics." I do not want the walking embodiment of a narcissistic movement in power.

Did Trump invite the Proud Boys to the White House like Obama did with BLM? No? Is that not cozying up?

Trump himself is not a pious man, nor religious. But he enables those that are militantly so. He enables those who believe and spread conspiracy theories. He enables people looking for a fight. Many MAGA types are just plain crazy when it comes to enforcing what they see as 'Christian values' or eliminating any distinction between freedom of religion and freedom from the dogma the Christian right often wish to instill in public life.

Roughly 65% of America subscribes to Christianity. Why would a President not support the dominant religion while also acknowledging the freedom to worship whatever you want? That number used to be 90% by the way. As recently as the 1990s. What else was happening in the 1990s? Oh that's right, we were experiencing the greatest decade of the country's history.

 

[nctransplant]

@carolinablue34 just in the last three poasts you have gotten your ass completely handed to you.

 

[randman1]

Chief among them? Normalizing denying election results or crying fraud before and/or after. A huge chunk of the GOP candidates running in battleground states either have refused to say Biden is President or outright endorse that he didn't win. And I hope every single one of them loses. There has been no evidence of the kind of conspiracy needed to swing an American Presidential election from one person to another. We all have to accept that our side loses sometimes and that's okay.

This one goes both ways but MAGA endorses grievance culture as much as left wing progressives. This whole idea 'things are so much worse now, things were better back in the day'. Or the idea that Democrats are 'coming for your guns'. Maybe it's the trannies coming to convert your kids at an elementary school. Or that the military is going soft because it ran a diversity ad. It's all pearl clutching and fear mongering. It's the worship of ignorance over reason.

Divisiveness. Dems and GOPers have been sniping at each other for decades but Trump truly pushed it to a whole new level. Trump called civil servants 'sick people' when issuing an executive order stripping them of job protections as one example. He uses this kind of intense hyperbole to play into people's fears and resentments. He played footsies with the Proud Boys. There isn't a line he won't cross. My father once supported Trump and has since disavowed supporting him again for the simple fact "he has ability but no ethics." I do not want the walking embodiment of a narcissistic movement in power.

Trump himself is not a pious man, nor religious. But he enables those that are militantly so. He enables those who believe and spread conspiracy theories. He enables people looking for a fight. Many MAGA types are just plain crazy when it comes to enforcing what they see as 'Christian values' or eliminating any distinction between freedom of religion and freedom from the dogma the Christian right often wish to instill in public life.

This does not apply to every person who has and does support Trump. Nor every Republican or conservative. It's an important distinction. But these are the general hallmarks and they apply to almost every right wing populist movement in history. Those almost always spell disaster for individual liberties, freedom of the press, and rule of law.

There's a laundry list of things that annoy the f**k out of me when it comes to Democrats and far left progressives. In fact, just to show I'm not a complete partisan, I'm happy to list them all in a second reply.

Maybe your Dad ought to consider something on ethics?

Trump is one of the very few presidents that honestly said what he wanted to do and then went about keeping his promises. That's ethical and the idea crooks like Biden, Hillary, Obama and Bill were somehow remotely ethical in any sort of way or more than Trump is absurd.

Yeah, politicians aren't known for being so ethical but in the arena most important, shooting straight about their agenda and doing it, he excelled.

Can't say the same thing for guys like the Bushes or candidates like Romey and McCain. Yeah, they may put on a better show of knowing how to act like a gentleman and maybe Romney is a true person to those in need or whatever, but did they and would they have really put America first or the donors who paid their way?

 

[Heels Noir]

If the election was held exactly as it had been every other Presidential election, Trump would have won.

 

[Heels Noir]

If Trump had not been one of the worst Presidents in American history, he may have won.

Fify.

 

[carolinablue34]

@carolinablue34 just in the last three poasts you have gotten your ass completely handed to you.

The only ass Randman deals with is his own when he shoves his head inside of it.

Haven't had a chance to reply to GSD yet.

 

[bluetoe]

Chief among them? Normalizing denying election results or crying fraud before and/or after. A huge chunk of the GOP candidates running in battleground states either have refused to say Biden is President or outright endorse that he didn't win. And I hope every single one of them loses. There has been no evidence of the kind of conspiracy needed to swing an American Presidential election from one person to another. We all have to accept that our side loses sometimes and that's okay.

This one goes both ways but MAGA endorses grievance culture as much as left wing progressives. This whole idea 'things are so much worse now, things were better back in the day'. Or the idea that Democrats are 'coming for your guns'. Maybe it's the trannies coming to convert your kids at an elementary school. Or that the military is going soft because it ran a diversity ad. It's all pearl clutching and fear mongering. It's the worship of ignorance over reason.

Divisiveness. Dems and GOPers have been sniping at each other for decades but Trump truly pushed it to a whole new level. Trump called civil servants 'sick people' when issuing an executive order stripping them of job protections as one example. He uses this kind of intense hyperbole to play into people's fears and resentments. He played footsies with the Proud Boys. There isn't a line he won't cross. My father once supported Trump and has since disavowed supporting him again for the simple fact "he has ability but no ethics." I do not want the walking embodiment of a narcissistic movement in power.

Trump himself is not a pious man, nor religious. But he enables those that are militantly so. He enables those who believe and spread conspiracy theories. He enables people looking for a fight. Many MAGA types are just plain crazy when it comes to enforcing what they see as 'Christian values' or eliminating any distinction between freedom of religion and freedom from the dogma the Christian right often wish to instill in public life.

This does not apply to every person who has and does support Trump. Nor every Republican or conservative. It's an important distinction. But these are the general hallmarks and they apply to almost every right wing populist movement in history. Those almost always spell disaster for individual liberties, freedom of the press, and rule of law.

There's a laundry list of things that annoy the f**k out of me when it comes to Democrats and far left progressives. In fact, just to show I'm not a complete partisan, I'm happy to list them all in a second reply.

I'm sorry, I must not have made mysef clear, although I really thought I had. I wasn't looking for the endless repeat of unsubstantiated leftist whining and baseless complaints and excuses for all the irrational MAGA/Trump-hate, or even justifiable criticism of some of Trump's actions. You said "And you refuse to see the immense damage the MAGA mentality and ethos is doing the to the country.". I was looking for actual examples of this immense damage you referred to. The only immense damage to the country I'm aware of is being done as we speak, and MAGA isn't what's doing it.

The only immense damage you have alluded to here is that done to the collective leftist clitoris. I have to admit though, it is in pretty rough shape. I'm beginning to think it will never heal.

Now that I provided some clarity re: this immense damage, maybe you wouldn't mind trying again. Or you could explain how the things you mentioned are in fact damaging in some concrete way to the country, and not just to the delicate leftist psyche.

 

[Heels Noir]

I'm sorry, I must not have made mysef clear, although I really thought I had. I wasn't looking for the endless repeat of unsubstantiated leftist whining and baseless complaints and excuses for all the irrational MAGA/Trump-hate, or even justifiable criticism of some of Trump's actions. You said "And you refuse to see the immense damage the MAGA mentality and ethos is doing the to the country.". I was looking for actual examples of this immense damage you referred to. The only immense damage to the country I'm aware of is being done as we speak, and MAGA isn't what's doing it.

The only immense damage you have alluded to here is that done to the collective leftist clitoris. I have to admit though, it is in pretty rough shape. I'm beginning to think it will never heal.

Now that I provided some clarity re: this immense damage, maybe you wouldn't mind trying again. Or you could explain how the things you mentioned are in fact damaging in some concrete way to the country, and not just to the delicate leftist psyche.

 

[carolinablue34]

If the election was held exactly as it had been every other Presidential election, Trump would have won. I think even you believe that. The Dems created enough fear and hysteria over the pandemic to scare everybody into accepting changes to the election process.



Things are good? There is hard core evidence that things are worse. Yes, back in my day of 2019, inflation was much better. Back in my day of 2019, gas was affordable. Back in my day, the US was the top dog. We ran the world and when we said "jump", other countries asked "how high". I liked it that way. Most people liked it that way even if they wouldn't want to admit it. I don't give a shit if other countries like us. I want them to respect and fear us. F*ck all that kum-bah-yah shit.



Did Trump invite the Proud Boys to the White House like Obama did with BLM? No? Is that not cozying up?



Roughly 65% of America subscribes to Christianity. Why would a President not support the dominant religion while also acknowledging the freedom to worship whatever you want? That number used to be 90% by the way. As recently as the 1990s. What else was happening in the 1990s? Oh that's right, we were experiencing the greatest decade of the country's history.

What I will grant is that covid didn't happen, Trump wins. But it did and it was a serious enough disease for us to take proactive measures when it came to voting. It was a unique circumstance. That does not equivalate to cheating.

I didn't say things were 'good.' But I don't think they are as disastrous as the public has been led to believe. Classic case of 'mean world syndrome'. Media drives it. And yes, that includes the mainstream media. 24 hour news cycle is for clicks and to get people riled up. The world is still a hell of a lot safer than it was even in the early 90s. Especially in this country. Problems should always be acknowledged. Crime is going up in many areas. Inflation is too high as are gas prices. But political demonization does little to solve them.

BLM is a false equivalency with the Proud Boys. Which you’re doing yet again. BLM is a sham organization run by grifters similar to Al Sharpton. The Proud Boys are a far right militant group involved in the assault on our government.

I wonder how much of that 65% goes to church every Sunday. Probably not a whole lot. The amount that subscribe to far right maga Christian beliefs? Even less. You value majorities so much, MAGA isn’t even close. It’s not what this country needs. Extremism on both sides exacerbates things.

 

[bluetoe]

If the election was held exactly as it had been every other Presidential election, Trump would have won. I think even you believe that. The Dems created enough fear and hysteria over the pandemic to scare everybody into accepting changes to the election process.



Things are good? There is hard core evidence that things are worse. Yes, back in my day of 2019, inflation was much better. Back in my day of 2019, gas was affordable. Back in my day, the US was the top dog. We ran the world and when we said "jump", other countries asked "how high". I liked it that way. Most people liked it that way even if they wouldn't want to admit it. I don't give a shit if other countries like us. I want them to respect and fear us. F*ck all that kum-bah-yah shit.



Did Trump invite the Proud Boys to the White House like Obama did with BLM? No? Is that not cozying up?



Roughly 65% of America subscribes to Christianity. Why would a President not support the dominant religion while also acknowledging the freedom to worship whatever you want? That number used to be 90% by the way. As recently as the 1990s. What else was happening in the 1990s? Oh that's right, we were experiencing the greatest decade of the country's history.

 

[Heels Noir]

 

[bluetoe]

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so stupid to try to make an issue of this. Early in the pandemic, I applauded Trump for trying to counter the dem panic-mongering. I just wish he had been able to do so more effectively. Most of the sane wish that.

 

[randman1]

What I will grant is that covid didn't happen, Trump wins. But it did and it was a serious enough disease for us to take proactive measures when it came to voting. It was a unique circumstance. That does not equivalate to cheating.

I didn't say things were 'good.' But I don't think they are as disastrous as the public has been led to believe. Classic case of 'mean world syndrome'. Media drives it. And yes, that includes the mainstream media. 24 hour news cycle is for clicks and to get people riled up. The world is still a hell of a lot safer than it was even in the early 90s. Especially in this country. Problems should always be acknowledged. Crime is going up in many areas. Inflation is too high as are gas prices. But political demonization does little to solve them.

BLM is a false equivalency with the Proud Boys. Which you’re doing yet again. BLM is a sham organization run by grifters similar to Al Sharpton. The Proud Boys are a far right militant group involved in the assault on our government.

I wonder how much of that 65% goes to church every Sunday. Probably not a whole lot. The amount that subscribe to far right maga Christian beliefs? Even less. You value majorities so much, MAGA isn’t even close. It’s not what this country needs. Extremism on both sides exacerbates things.

So BLM didn't assault the government and rule of law? What were they doing battling the Secret Service then outside of the White House?

Btw, yes, dems are groomers and putting bigtime money behind it as well.

Taxpayer-Funded Organization Promotes 'Trans Identity' to Two-Year-Olds

A taxpayer-funded organization promoted transgender identity on two-year-olds and has also voiced support for Critical Race Theory.

www.breitbart.com

 

[Heels Noir]

so stupid to try to make an issue of this. Early in the pandemic, I applauded Trump for trying to counter the dem panic-mongering. I just wish he had been able to do so more effectively. Most of the sane wish that.

I posted one video as supplemental evidence to carolinablue's mention of why Trump may have lost the election ("What I will grant is that [if] covid didn't happen, Trump wins."). I am "making an issue" of it about as much as I'm a so-called liar according to your stupid ass.

 

[randman1]

Wonder where the trans-movement stems from? Billions of tax dollars spent to create it. Here's just one group.

" Zero to Three has received more than $230 million in federal funding since 2008 to reshape childrearing in the United States."

230 Million! Just for that group. Zero to Three by the way refers to targeting children aged 0-3 for grooming. You put enough money, enough psychological manipulation and conditioning into promoting a mental disorder, it's not that hard to manufacture it on a grand scale. Of course the victims will likely believe they organically came to just realize their authentic selves or some such BS,

Taxpayer-Funded Organization Promotes 'Trans Identity' to Two-Year-Olds

A taxpayer-funded organization promoted transgender identity on two-year-olds and has also voiced support for Critical Race Theory.

www.breitbart.com

 

[strummingram]

Wonder where the trans-movement stems from?

No

 

[bluetoe]

So BLM didn't assault the government and rule of law?

nope, not really. Smashed a few jack-o-lanterns at Halloween, drew graffiti on train cars, that sort of thing. Here they are at a gathering, roasting some marshmallows.

Those Proud Boys though. The fate of democracy...nay, the fate of the entire world ,....was hanging by a thread there on J6.

 

[strummingram]

so stupid to try to make an issue of this. Early in the pandemic, I applauded Trump for trying to counter the dem panic-mongering. I just wish he had been able to do so more effectively. Most of the sane wish that.

Apparently, most people didn't think he handled it well and they think he downplayed it for political reasons and political posturing, so as to not disrupt his reelection chances. That's one of the reasons he lost the election. Your applause and wishing didn't change that. And, your judgment of sanity is no better, or worse, than anyone else. Covid-19 hit and his overall handling of it contributed to his loss to Biden.

 

[carolinablue34]

I'm sorry, I must not have made mysef clear, although I really thought I had. I wasn't looking for the endless repeat of unsubstantiated leftist whining and baseless complaints and excuses for all the irrational MAGA/Trump-hate, or even justifiable criticism of some of Trump's actions. You said "And you refuse to see the immense damage the MAGA mentality and ethos is doing the to the country.". I was looking for actual examples of this immense damage you referred to. The only immense damage to the country I'm aware of is being done as we speak, and MAGA isn't what's doing it.

The only immense damage you have alluded to here is that done to the collective leftist clitoris. I have to admit though, it is in pretty rough shape. I'm beginning to think it will never heal.

Now that I provided some clarity re: this immense damage, maybe you wouldn't mind trying again. Or you could explain how the things you mentioned are in fact damaging in some concrete way to the country, and not just to the delicate leftist psyche.

Holy shit dude, what about it is baseless? It's observable for anyone to see.

I know you subscribe to MAGA because you feel it best represents your interests. But a straight up refusal to acknowledge any flaw in it isn't exactly an objective way to look at it.

I'll respond later with links. But then again, would you even accept them if they come from sources you don't like?

 

[blazers]

Wonder where the trans-movement stems from?

No but i'd like to know where Dutch stem from.

 

[bluetoe]

Apparently, most people didn't think he handled it well and they think he downplayed it for political reasons and political posturing, so as to not disrupt his reelection chances. That's one of the reasons he lost the election. Your applause and wishing didn't change that. And, your judgment of sanity is no better, or worse, than anyone else. Covid-19 hit and his overall handling of it contributed to his loss to Biden.

what my applause and wishing didn't change was the dem mischaracterization and the leftist media's dutiful conveyance to the public of those items you refer to. Trump's perceived overall handling of the Covid pandemic is what hurt him in that regard. You know, just the usual scenario from during his presidency, negative spin cast on anything he did and obediently reported as fact by the leftist media.

I did get a chuckle out of you critiquing my judgement of sanity.

 

[blazers]

Roughly 65% of America subscribes to Christianity.

You need to get outside of your holler for a reality check.

In 2020, 47% of U.S. adults belonged to a church, synagogue or mosque. So 60+% say they ID with Christianity, but a MAJORITY of Americans do not belong to any church.

Being a certain faith a concern for majority of americans when it comes to politicians.

 

[bluetoe]

Holy shit dude, what about it is baseless? It's observable for anyone to see.

I know you subscribe to MAGA because you feel it best represents your interests. But a straight up refusal to acknowledge any flaw in it isn't exactly an objective way to look at it.

I'll respond later with links. But then again, would you even accept them if they come from sources you don't like?

I didn't say anything was flawless. I said some of your complaints were baseless. Nothing is without flaws, and the sound of mind understand that complaining about someone's or something's flaws is just whining, unless you connect those flaws to actual problems. I wanted examples of the actual damage done to our country that you referred to, and I'm still waiting for those as you whine away

 

[bluetoe]

Roughly 65% of America subscribes to Christianity.

You need to get outside of your holler for a reality check.

In 2020, 47% of U.S. adults belonged to a church, synagogue or mosque. So 60+% say they ID with Christianity, but a MAJORITY of Americans do not belong to any church.

Being a certain faith a concern for majority of americans when it comes to politicians.

you need some reading comprehension, or at least a dictionary.

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2.
express or feel agreement with (an idea or proposal).

Where does it say anything about belonging to a church? Just as an example, my mother was about as Christian as Christian can be, but you couldn't have dragged her into a church with a team of draft horses. I'm pretty sure you could accurately say she subscribed to Christianity

 

[bluetoe]

I posted one video as supplemental evidence to carolinablue's mention of why Trump may have lost the election ("What I will grant is that [if] covid didn't happen, Trump wins."). I am "making an issue" of it about as much as I'm a so-called liar according to your stupid ass.

lol, you're such a chump when you try too hard. You are a liar. That's the long and the short of it. No amount of your disingenuous little spitballs directed at me will ever change that.

CB34 said nothing about WHY Covid cost Trump the election. All CB34 said was to agree that without Covid, Trump would have gotten re-elected. There was no 'evidence' to be supplemented.

You posting that video is an obvious attempt to create an issue where none was called for. Nice job trying to deny it, Pinocchio.

Jesus Christ, of all the stalkers in the world, why did I have to end up with you?

 

[strummingram]

what my applause and wishing didn't change was the dem mischaracterization and the leftist media's dutiful conveyance to the public of those items you refer to. Trump's perceived overall handling of the Covid pandemic is what hurt him in that regard. You know, just the usual scenario from during his presidency, negative spin cast on anything he did and obediently reported as fact by the leftist media.

I did get a chuckle out of you critiquing my judgement of sanity.

Zoinks! I forgot about the Media and Leftists are all out to get us! Fvcking fascists!!! Quick! Somebody post a Breitbart link about grooming!

 

[strummingram]

Jesus Christ, of all the stalkers in the world, why did I have to end up with you?

The two of you are bookends. You fan his balls as much or more.

 

[prlyles]

Maybe your Dad ought to consider something on ethics?

Trump is one of the very few presidents that honestly said what he wanted to do and then went about keeping his promises. That's ethical and the idea crooks like Biden, Hillary, Obama and Bill were somehow remotely ethical in any sort of way or more than Trump is absurd.

Yeah, politicians aren't known for being so ethical but in the arena most important, shooting straight about their agenda and doing it, he excelled.

Can't say the same thing for guys like the Bushes or candidates like Romey and McCain. Yeah, they may put on a better show of knowing how to act like a gentleman and maybe Romney is a true person to those in need or whatever, but did they and would they have really put America first or the donors who paid their way?

I can’t believe you used the words “Trump” and “honestly“ in the same sentence.

 

[bluetoe]

The two of you are bookends. You fan his balls as much or more.

WTF, are you auditioning for the stalker job? 'Cause It's yours if you want it.

 

[bluetoe]

I can’t believe you used the words “Trump” and “honestly“ in the same sentence.

I can't believe you made a sentence with two words in it.

 

[bluetoe]

Zoinks! I forgot about the Media and Leftists are all out to get us! Fvcking fascists!!! Quick! Somebody post a Breitbart link about grooming!

and there's the nonsensical hyperbole, right on cue. You and I are different. When I have nothing to say, I say nothing.

 

[bluetoe]

No but i'd like to know where Dutch stem from.

I'm not real sure, but I think it involved plugging a hole in a dyke.

 

[prlyles]

I can't believe you made a sentence with two words in it.

Try this sentence Goober, “blueboy” and “honestly“, try blueboy and intelligent. Oh, I forgot, you are a genius about world affairs and Mt. airy…

 

[prlyles]

and there's the nonsensical hyperbole, right on cue. You and I are different. When I have nothing to say, I say nothing.

You should try saying nothing sometime.

 

[toophly1124]

Try this sentence Goober, “blueboy” and “honestly“, try blueboy and intelligent. Oh, I forgot, you are a genius about world affairs and Mt. airy…

 

[prlyles]

Dutch

Forget it, you don’t understand and it wasn’t meant for you.

 

[bluetoe]

I can’t believe you used the words “Trump” and “honestly“ in the same sentence.

I can't believe you made a sentence with two words in it.

Try this sentence Goober, “blueboy” and “honestly“, try blueboy and intelligent….

LMAO, that's more like it you illiterate knob. Derp

 

[bluetoe]

Dutch

Forget it, you don’t understand and it wasn’t meant for you.

Oh, he understands.

 

[strummingram]

You should try saying nothing sometime.

he says nothing quite often... and, it usually requires an editor to split-it-up into chapters.

 

[strummingram]

and there's the nonsensical hyperbole, right on cue. You and I are different. When I have nothing to say, I say nothing.