I literally gave you you pages of citied material that addresses that. Glad I
What other source would you like? Or are you only going to believe what your grandpappy told you on Lee-Jackson day and try to use a single Lincoln quote as a trump card while taking out, you know, the entire context of the time?
So lets check what we have:
Lincoln literally was elected as an anti-slavery platform.
South had no legal right to leave (I’d like you to point to where thats a right, because you can’t)
South start to leave days after hes elected.
South in preparation funnels federal arms stockpiles to the south.
South fires to first shot.
So the south left, prepared and shot the first shot because of slavery.
Then you say:
But Lincoln said he wanted to preserve the Union then DISREGARD the entire notion of WHY he had to do that.
I’ve listed sourced material but that doesnt matter. It also doesnt matter that every reputable institution of higher learning agrees with my point. It doesn’t matter that 99.9% of modern historians agree with me.
It doesnt matter that you dont know the history of the lost cause.
What it comes down to is you DONT WANT it to be able slavery. Which is ****ing weird.
I could give you well sourced material in a 20 minute video- but that doesn’t matter to you either.
Why are you bias’ so ridiculous that you will ignore every expert and the ****ing primary sources? These guys wrote in English and they wrote prolifically.
You need to do some soul searching
there was one man responsible for waging the war on the North side, and that was Lincoln. You can 'context' all you want to, but it will not erase what the man himself declared, and what he seriously meant.
And you just continue to supply factoids irrelevant to what is being argued. Blah blah blah. Lincoln was anti-slavery. Who said that? Oh yeah, I said that. I said that sarcastically to exemplify the irrelevant.
"South had no legal right to leave (I’d like you to point to where thats a right, because you can’t)".
Jebus dude, tyou really do suck at this. I can't point to what doesn't exist. A State's right to stay was the purpose of the Union. The right to leave was not addressed and therefor not prohibited. For the second time, I challenge you to show me language counter to this. Show me the verbiage making it unlawful for a State to leave the Union.
"South start to leave days after hes elected."
again, just more irrelvancy that pertains to why the South seceded and not why the war was fought.
"South in preparation funnels federal arms stockpiles to the south."
in preparation for threatened war. Where do you show that slavery is pertinent to preparing for possible hostility?
"South fires to first shot"
North agresses first, as pointed out in a different post....and again has nothing to do with slavery
"So the south left, prepared and shot the first shot because of slavery."
LMAO. That's quite some leap you just made, completely unfounded and dumb as hell. The firing of a shot was a defensive act of war, not an act of slavery.
"Then you say:
But Lincoln said he wanted to preserve the Union then DISREGARD the entire notion of WHY he had to do that."
YOU disregard the obvious and you do so time after time. And you act like I haven't tried to pound that obviousness into your backward head. I have not disregarded Lincoln's reason. I have not disregarded anything pertinent. I have only disregarded the irrelevant crap you keep repeating. I have CLOBBERED your dumb ass with what pertains and you just refuse to address it..
Lincoln did not
have to do anything. But he wanted to preserve the Union and that's why the war was fought.
" I’ve listed sourced material but that doesnt matter. It also doesnt matter that every reputable institution of higher learning agrees with my point. It doesn’t matter that 99.9% of modern historians agree with me."
What matters are the facts, not opinions. I am supplying facts and you just keep deflecting instead of dealing with them objectively. I agree that more opinions align with yours, but there are OBJECTIVE opinions that align with me. But I don't try to arm myself with the opinions of others, I can think for myself. You should try it.
"It doesnt matter that you dont know the history of the lost cause."
I know more than you apparently do, and once more, what you reference is irrelevant to the argument at hand.
"What it comes down to is you DONT WANT it to be able slavery. Which is ****ing weird."
No, it's actually that you DO want it to be about slavery so bad that you can't separate simple notions. I have no problem dealing with the issue of slavery in all aspects, and objectively. We can do that if you care to. Believe it or not, I don't own slaves and don't want to. But what we are talking about is why the war was fought. Slavery was an issue of the time, no doubt about it. It just wasn't the issue that made Lincoln fight the war.
"I could give you well sourced material in a 20 minute video- but that doesn’t matter to you either."
if it doesn't supply material that factually supports your contentiion, of course I have no use for it. But that being said, in a previous discussion here I supplied a video that explained exactly what I am trying to convey to you. And that doesn't matter to you because you have a niotion lodged in your head and nothing is going to dislodge it. That's your shortcoming, not mine.
"Why are you bias’ so ridiculous that you will ignore every expert and the ****ing primary sources? These guys wrote in English and they wrote prolifically."
I am biased by the facts. That is what I refuse to ignore. All I care about is the simple truth of a matter. I don't care about your stupid 'lost cause' bullshit or any of that nonsense. I have to laugh at you calling ME biased when you have to resort to that kind of weak retort. It's like you've been thoroughly indoctrinated with 'what's easy to believe'.
"You need to do some soul searching"
I've done more soul-searching than you can even imagine. That's why I'm so passionate about the truth. The truth talks, your cookie-cutter bullshit opinion walks.