It's hard to overcome the Lodge.
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Honestly, I think it's mainly a 3 man race between UNC/UK/Texas. No Idea who's leading now, but I do think Texas had the early momentum.
Perhaps I'm being a bit biased, but it almost sounds like he enjoyed his visit to UNC more than the one to UK. JMO.
Tough to say where this one ends up, but I've got a slightly good feeling compared to past recruitments like this. Time will tell I suppose.
Edit: With Coleman potentially opting for Dook, that would leave Texas without a PG. Can't imagine that helps their case.
Perhaps I'm being a bit biased, but it almost sounds like he enjoyed his visit to UNC more than the one to UK. JMO.
Tough to say where this one ends up, but I've got a slightly good feeling compared to past recruitments like this. Time will tell I suppose.
Edit: With Coleman potentially opting for Dook, that would leave Texas without a PG. Can't imagine that helps their case.
So let me get this right. You guys have concerns about losing a recruit, with a level head and a father that's a basketball coach, to a TX team that got an at-large bid to the NCAA last year .. that lost a first round game to Northern Iowa .. and a 2016 KY team that lost in the second round to an Indiana team we dropped a 100 on and waxed in the 2015 NCAA Tourney .. against the 2015 runner-ups with the returners and an incoming class that includes Jalek Felton and possibly a returning Joel Berry. A school that lives by the inside out game? A school that will have tons of PT available ??
Just checking ....... let me roll up one of my medically prescribed blunts so I can visit your world
Um, yes. Yes we are. That coach down in UT can recruit his butt off.
al, if it were that simple we would have no problems landing ANY Big.
Exactly Mikey, if it were that simple it'd be a done deal. But it isn't. As someone else mentioned above, we're going against some really effective recruiters here.
However, I do believe that we've really hit home with this player, and considering everything negative that's come our way, Roy and his staff positioned themselves in the best way they could. Nothing more to do now but wait and see. If we do lose out on him, it won't be because Roy didn't give 110% to get this kid.
Yes, Shaka can recruit hard but fair but one of the problems he has is his teams style of play as opposed to the more wide open running game we employ, which in addition to many other things is more similar to what the NBA uses, PJ is geared to more of a wide open running game style of play. Shaka's teams play more in that similar style as UVa, slow the pace, hawk on defense and work it around deep in the clock on offense, not sure that is the style of play PJ is best at or that helps him in where he is looking to go past college.
I mean, yeah, it's slower but in no way is it UVA slow and the stats back that up. Shaka's teams at VCU were regularly top 100 in points scored per game. UVA has been between 250-300 out of 351 the last 3 seasons under Bennett.
He's not Roy but he certainly isn't Bennett.
Heya heels
For what it's worth, in the premium side of UK's board, our guys feel good about PJ but it's by no means a slam dunk. Our main recruiting guy said if he had to pick today he'd pick Kentucky but it's nowhere near a sure thing.
He's an awesome kid for sure, does a little of everything. Whoever gets him will get a solid cog in the machine. Peace out, basketball brethren.
For what it's worth, in the premium side of UK's board, our guys feel good about PJ but it's by no means a slam dunk. Our main recruiting guy said if he had to pick today he'd pick Kentucky but it's nowhere near a sure thing.
He's an awesome kid for sure, does a little of everything. Whoever gets him will get a solid cog in the machine. Peace out, basketball brethren.
Thanks for the post jrpross, but it sure seems to me no one but PJ or his father know anything. They sure hold those cards close to the vest and Mr. Washington has stated so, as to visits and announcements. Or on other words don't pester us. You'll know when PJ announces his decision.
As I understood it, potential commit in November, sign in spring, per Mr. Washington.
The Heels are the not the perceived leader for PJ as it stands right now. Things could change, but Kentucky is the perceived leader. The father who is normally very open to discuss issues pertaining PJ's recruitment with UNC reporters has gone silent. He still has two visits to make, but if I was a betting man I would say he is headed to Kentucky. He just had his OV there and is headed back for their late night. Hope I'm wrong.
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Not trying to pester or rile anybody up. Just passing on what I've heard. PJ's dad is a basketball guy who coaches at a major prep school, as you probably already know. He's developed a very good relationship with Cal and sees Kentucky as a good business decision but he also knows it's PJ's choice, not his. And you're right, PJ has been very quiet about his thinking. So it's very much up in the air. He may be leaning any which way and we really don't know. Like I said, this is not gospel. Just thought you might like to know why the "insiders" feel slightly good about Kentucky right now. But if there's anything recruiting has taught us, it's that we really don't know jack squat until a kid announces.
Heya heels
For what it's worth, in the premium side of UK's board, our guys feel good about PJ but it's by no means a slam dunk. Our main recruiting guy said if he had to pick today he'd pick Kentucky but it's nowhere near a sure thing.
He's an awesome kid for sure, does a little of everything. Whoever gets him will get a solid cog in the machine. Peace out, basketball brethren.
Well said and I agree. Outstanding talent with a very bright future. Could get very interesting as to who he picks. Roy and Company have done all they can to get him here and if we miss we miss, no faulting Roy and his effort on this one.
Yep prep school just across town from UNLV and has an already established pipeline to Arizona...So ya think he will risk losing that just to send the occasional 1 & doner to Ky?
PJ's dad, is that the same dad that surprised his son with a un-official visit to UNC earlier this summer, is that the same guy? LOL
With all due respect, perceived by whom? If you mean that the uk hype machine sees to it that every positive uk recruiting story is at the top of google news searches and floods social media, then yeah. Their strategy is to make it seem they are the perceived leader for whomever they're after. They use bandwagon marketing, and even the non-uk media often gets sucked in, and, hey, a lotta times it works on contemporary kids. For better or worse, that is the antithesis of the UNC approach.
But, as for his trip back to their madness event, that has been scheduled for over a year --- and given that he's already made an Unofficial and an OV to UNC, that coming trip will merely tie them with us for the number of visits. I don't like that he's attending that event any more than you do, but it is not any sort of quarantee concerning his plans either. And FWIW, I saw Paul Sr's comments after the uk OV, and then after ours, and the post-UNC comments were honestly more glowing (provided of course one just sticks with his words and not the uk commentators').
Steat, I'm posting this just to remind folks not to caught up in the blowback from their recruiting media tactics. This one is very much in contention. He may choose uk, he may choose TX, but UNC is in at least as good a position as either of our main competitors. Roy has done outstanding work on this one. All we can do is hope PJ makes the right choice.
Gary, I hear ya and hoping like crazy that PJ commits to the Heels. I agree that Roy has done done the best he can do and from all indications PJ thoroughly enjoyed his visit.
To echo gary, you are right about the hype machine at Ky crafting perception, they not only do it but they are really really good at it. And even worse is it not only has some effect, it works, it panders to what they think they want and it is happy to co-exist with the handlers and street agents and what ever has to occur to get a kid in and able to play.
But ya know what, it may work on some kids, it does not work on them all. Kal tried that pander with Carter and Carter dismissed them, tried it with Bamba and Bamba reaches out to Michigan, tried it with PJ and...well you know how I think that is going to work out...
In the end PJ could pick Ky for all I know, many experts do not see it the way I do. But I will say this, I don't care who the expert is that is saying PJ to Ky... Evan Daniels, Bossi, or even Clint & Rob, I would challenge every one of them to validate that pick with something concrete that refutes the reasons I have presented that have me thinking that Ky is not as strong a dog as they are assumed. I really hope no one expected PJ to visit Ky and come away saying they suck and I would never consider going there, of course he was going to say nice things, he will after visits to Tx and Arizona as well. Texas, Arizona, UNLV scare me more than Ky...
This made me laugh. Two of them (ED and Bossi) run gigantic sites with sources all over the country. Clint and Rob (Clint esp) have relationships with PJ's freaking father and give us information that is ridiculously detailed and only available because of that relationship.
In no way whatsoever do Clint/Rob need to validate their pick or give up their sources to satisfy someone who doesn't work in their business. Who exactly do you think you are?
Yeah, that hype machine is indeed very real --- their web people have the metadata and penetration thing down pat --- and yes, it works on some kids. And you are also right about Carter. Some like to scoff, but I know for a fact that uk was eliminated by the Carters a good while before UNC was, yet all the while experts listed uk as his second choice. That was just flat wrong. Harvard was in a stronger place than uk, and eventually even than us.
In no way intending to disparage anyone, it is also true that analysts base a portion of their impressions on what they hear from each other --- which is part of the "chatter". In fact as far as Bamba goes that's about ALL they've had because his camp is so tight and coy.
At this point concerning PJ, I can say with confidence that he's always been intrigued with KY and the blue madness visit has been on his agenda for a long time --- not a recent development at all. I also know that PJ and his dad like Carolina and Roy and have for a while, the same for Texas. I also know that Calipari lost ground with the Washingtons earlier this year, so much so that inside folks in Austin felt like PJ was theirs to lose... and meanwhile Roy was going full-Roy and made PJ priority #1, and as he so often does, came on strong over the summer. That unofficial visit to Chapel Hill right after Peach Jam wasn't just a lark. Then Shaka got lots of face-time coaching him. Bottom line is, going into the school year Calipari faced the reality of possibly whiffing on the elite Bigs (Carter, Bamba, Ayton --- as I predicted he very likely could) and so they turned up the full hype machine on PJ.
In other words, it's on.
PS: I wouldn't worry too much about UNLV. Jes' sayin'...
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But it wasn't an opinion Mike. It was him saying that Clint/Rob should have to basically give up their sources because he has a feeling UK isn't in the lead. Seriously, how many of these pretentious posts do we have to put up with from him? Clint/Rob know more than Dave, they validate that every single day on this board.
His "I know more than you" is getting annoying. I'll stop there before we get another post about him leaving the board only to come back 3 days later.
I really don't think that's the case, Mikey. Lotta kids want to go to their bbm thing because it's "cool". Several who have gone to that haven't committed there. Now, if he canceled and came to ours, THAT would be something
.Calipari is going all out and the machine is in overdrive. I fully expect them to be tough to beat now in any case. I wish PJ wasn't going to that event but he's had it on his schedule for a long time. Sucks, but we knew that going in.
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Obviously, Clint/Rob couldn't care less what any of us has to say. Why do some people's opinions drive some of you guys up the wall? Don't believe them or think they're FOS, fine. But do you have to let them get under your skin so easily?
Now, if he canceled and came to ours, THAT would be something
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Yeah, I think that's what Mike was saying too. And make that 3fold, if he cancels and comes to LNWR, we should all be very very happy.
It bothers me because I respect how hard our experts work to give us real, actual inside information. To have someone who is just making educated guesses challenge their hard work is extremely disrespectful and they should be called out for it.
If it was a difference of opinion then that's fine. His post wasn't that, it was him going out and saying they "need them to validate" their statements. It is just wrong.
OK, now I see what got dadik so upset!
DAVE-DAVE-DAVE! Man you don't tug on Superman's cape-spit into the wind-draw on the Long Ranger or mess with Clint when it comes to recruiting!
Have you lost your flippin mind? NOBODY gets more inside info on recruits than Clint and Rob is right behind him. Get your butt over to premi and see what Clint-Rob know and WHO they talk to if you going to run your mouth about them!
I apologize dadik, did not read this post until I was on my deer stand and can't respond to good on that dern "smart elic phone". You right, maybe the worse post I ever saw from Dave.
HOPE he's right and we get him, but as of TODAY we do not lead for PJ, made up some ground no doubt, but we trail.
smh Dave, YOU are better than that. Just as well slapped AJ in the face.
He didn't just share an opinion, he openly disrespected people who are actually in the know on this stuff. Big difference. He doesn't know jack shit, they do.
Thank God I have premium. That's all I gotta say.
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