I really think Hubcap has developed a flat tire.
Puff is gone
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We had how many this past season and hardly any of them played? Hubert doesn't play his bench anyways so all we need is 1-2 of those guys from the portal.
If you wanted to run this thing back with everyone with eligibility remaining, then we just disagree.
You can cherry pick Alabama. I'll reply that we beat Notre Dame because one of their players literally threw a pass to Leaky Black underneath his defensive basket late in the game. We barely beat Gardner Webb and Portland in games we shot 35% and 50% from 3.
I honestly have no idea. I've said over and over again that I'll judge Hubert's coaching once Caleb isn't on this roster. I've also said over and over again that I think Hubert is probably a below-average tactical coach because the overwhelming majority of college coaches are. So I have no idea who he'll bring and how they'll perform here.
But I saw what I needed to see from this group of players for 2+ seasons aside from like 10 games.
I'm really surprised that many people want the same group coming back.
He has barely shown that he's ACC level. Occasionally he plays well. I wouldn't want him starting for UNC.
The overwhelming majority of college coaches can't be below average college coaches...as the average is the average and a math equation. Half are above average and half are below average.
And then what happens when one of those guys gets hurt and has to miss even just a couple games? You think we got a walk-on ready to play big ACC minutes?
Even with Hubert's poor use of the bench, you still need bench players. This past season the following players missed games due to injury: Bacot, Nance, Puff, Dunn, Washington, Shaver. The following players had injuries they attempted to play through: Davis, Love, Black.
Your plan to enter the season with only "1-2" forwards on the roster is terrible. That's a great way to let 1 injury cause a losing record.
First thing I thought when I read about this. Lol
It was going to be great to see him be a leader. This is what AAU basketball looks like. This is not a Hubert fault, this is about the portal.
High end recruits have about three teams they play for yearly. High school team, AAU traveling, and local AAU team. Guys switch high school frequently before they even get to college, AAU traveling teams are constantly shuffling players .
These are good kids, but the portal is always an option. Puff was going to get the PT, but let's be honest was he ready to be a star, and guys are coming in.
If recruits start backing out then I would be concerned, until then I expect everyone to go. Bacot and Love not saying anything is strange.
If this were happening at Dook we'd be laughing our asses off right now.
But you know what? Fine by me. With Puff gone that now only leaves 2 players left that were Roy's recruits. He's about to have his own roster with no guardrails left from Roy, just like his white knights have been saying is actually holding him back. This only expedites the timeline of excuses.
So let's see him succeed without Roy's helping hand now. This roster was so "untalented" anyway.
But you know what? Fine by me. With Puff gone that now only leaves 2 players left that were Roy's recruits. He's about to have his own roster with no guardrails left from Roy, just like his white knights have been saying is actually holding him back. This only expedites the timeline of excuses.
So let's see him succeed without Roy's helping hand now. This roster was so "untalented" anyway.
Bacot, Love, Davis, and Dunn make 4 Roy recruits left. Unless you've gotten news on 2 of those guys leaving?
These stats look like Leaky’s career numbers - except it took him 32 minutes a game to get them.
I guess the silver lining with all this, if there are some legit wings in the portal, they know the roster here is wide open and would get a ton of minutes
To be honest, everyone but bacot showed flashes. But I attribute that to an awful offense and personnel that just want to pad their stats and try to get their shine. 4 out is an aau offense that works well in that environment where most people dont play defense, but horrible for college where everyone is a supposed to be a stud. If Bacot comes back, and RJ grows 6 inches...we will be just fine.
I am assuming Love is all but gone; would be surprised if he returns. I forgot about Dunn.
So 3 guys, based on my initial prediction. He's got plenty of room to work with.
The silver lining is that Hubert won't have to wait until the 2024 class comes in to have mostly his own people.
He may only be returning Armando and RJ from the starting squad but those were arguably the 2 best players on the team, and I imagine he'll be happy to keep them. Dunn's increasing minutes suggest that Hubert will be happy to keep him as well. I don't know what Hubert thinks about Trimble, but I'll be pretty upset if we lose him, too.
The downside is that those of us willing to give Hubert 2 more years so we can see how well he does with his own people may only be willing to give him this coming year, given this major personnel turnover.
He may only be returning Armando and RJ from the starting squad but those were arguably the 2 best players on the team, and I imagine he'll be happy to keep them. Dunn's increasing minutes suggest that Hubert will be happy to keep him as well. I don't know what Hubert thinks about Trimble, but I'll be pretty upset if we lose him, too.
The downside is that those of us willing to give Hubert 2 more years so we can see how well he does with his own people may only be willing to give him this coming year, given this major personnel turnover.
For some reason, and so don’t know if he lost confidence, or there were other issues, but Puff has regressed to the point where he was bringing little when on the court. Now with his, and others lack of production, I don’t think it is a disaster that they are leaving. The only question that I have is why? Does Hubert just have no talent in regards to keeping anybody that doesn’t get 35 minutes a game the moment they step on campus, or did he sort of encourage them to leave convinced that he can score big in the portal? If he did, that certainly in a razor wire he is walking, but maybe he thinks it is the only way at this point. Regardless. In the minds of many, including mine, one would think that Hubert should be squarely on the hot seat next year. I have some bleeding hearts that seem to think that for some reason.m Hubert shouldn’t be judged until he gets a team with only the players he recruited. That’s a joke. Hubert was as much a decision maker in the guys here now as anybody. Secondly, that theory seems to indicate that UNC is some second level type basketball program where any new coach has to have time for a complete rebuild. If things don’t improve greatly next year, I am sure that some of the big donors with light a fire under Bubbas tail to make a change. But we also know that Roy still swings a big hammer and will be in Hubert’s corner after being allowed to pick his own successor. But the program cannot wallow in mediocrity no matter what Roy wants if things don’t get markedly better next year
I would prefer to not get writers cramp nor do I feel any need to take the time just to please you. But you seem to suggest that losing a guy that represented 4.1pts, shot 24% from 3 and snagged 2 rebounds a game, is some awful blow to the program, heck, most of them in the portal top that...
I like Puff, but this is a time for brutal honesty, not candy coated nonsense. Sorry if you can't handle brutal honesty. BTW, please save us from the "program is in complete melt down" when Shaver announces he is moving on. Unless you didn't know, after this past season, major changes are required and that may not sit well with some but oh well. Pure and simple fact is Puff numbers are not hard at all to replace, doesn't matter how much I like the kid, this is a results game and the returns on Puff just were not good enough.
Well, a bad offense that doesn't work and playing players who "just want to pad their stats" would be a coaching issue.
Just listened to Andrew and Sisk, and one of the things they mentioned was that a lot of the teams remaining in the tournament have these big-bruiser types of "dudes" on their team. Maybe Hubert wants to get some of those body types in the portal ... Puff certainly isn't a bruiser and he seemed very fragile.
Andrew also alluded to there being a reason that Tyler Nickel left, but of course he couldn't actually state the reason (maybe that reason is on another thread). I was wondering if anyone could share any insight into that reason?
I also can't blame Hubert for all of this instability. We might as well get used to it. He's recruiting OAD-types, the transfer portal allows players to split whenever they want to, and HD doesn't develop his bench. I expect this scenario will happen every year now.
Andrew also alluded to there being a reason that Tyler Nickel left, but of course he couldn't actually state the reason (maybe that reason is on another thread). I was wondering if anyone could share any insight into that reason?
I also can't blame Hubert for all of this instability. We might as well get used to it. He's recruiting OAD-types, the transfer portal allows players to split whenever they want to, and HD doesn't develop his bench. I expect this scenario will happen every year now.
It's interesting how horrible of a recruiter Roy was his last few years. I mean, all these guys who weren't ACC level players were recruited by him. The guy must have just fell off a cliff.
What does anyone expect from a coach that can't coach and assistants that can't teach.
When will the JV team move up to varsity?
When will the JV team move up to varsity?
hubert is well-liked family member who'll get at least three more years no matter what.
With Puff leaving a UNC version of small ball looks better and better. We NEED now a big time jump shooter, really doesn't have to be more than just a really good catch and shoot guy, does not need to be super athlete, does not need to worry about slashing to the rim, just needs to catch and shoot and stay in front of his man on defense, personally I would take Timberlake right now as that guy and go look for a couple big men. 1 of the bigs I want to be a broad shoulder strong power forward around 6'9-10" and a shot blocking big man that erases mistakes from guards. Pair those 2 with Bacot, High, and Jalen, we will be just fine.
It is actually kind of easy, we need to get more physical, when your 4 spot is manned with Nance and Puff you just can not be all that physical, Bacot can't do it all by himself inside. AND WE NEED SOMEONE TO GIVE US THE SAME EFFECT THAT LIVELY GAVE DUKE, a guy that erases mistakes that guards make, a guy that if he does not block it alters pretty much anything that is going toward the rim. This team needs to intimidate physically and get out and run, get back to the UNC breaks, if that is not there go directly, seamlessly in to free lance and you have to practice free lance more than any other offensive aspect. I want around 10% of what we run to be set plays and actually I could live with even less. To many set plays and you turn your players in to robots, I think we saw that this season. Guys like that just are not going to shoot well, you have to play free and, let the offense come to you because you are doing the right things. You NEVER sit back and wait for the ball to show up in your hands, if I see a player do that then that player is benched for the rest of the game and is 1 wrong word away from being off my team!
I am really not a fan of the stretch 4 attack at all, I don't mind my 4 occasionally stepping out but I think we have focused way to much on that aspect, I much prefer a high low run off of the motion offense gone in to VERY quickly if the secondary action isn't there.
It is actually kind of easy, we need to get more physical, when your 4 spot is manned with Nance and Puff you just can not be all that physical, Bacot can't do it all by himself inside. AND WE NEED SOMEONE TO GIVE US THE SAME EFFECT THAT LIVELY GAVE DUKE, a guy that erases mistakes that guards make, a guy that if he does not block it alters pretty much anything that is going toward the rim. This team needs to intimidate physically and get out and run, get back to the UNC breaks, if that is not there go directly, seamlessly in to free lance and you have to practice free lance more than any other offensive aspect. I want around 10% of what we run to be set plays and actually I could live with even less. To many set plays and you turn your players in to robots, I think we saw that this season. Guys like that just are not going to shoot well, you have to play free and, let the offense come to you because you are doing the right things. You NEVER sit back and wait for the ball to show up in your hands, if I see a player do that then that player is benched for the rest of the game and is 1 wrong word away from being off my team!
I am really not a fan of the stretch 4 attack at all, I don't mind my 4 occasionally stepping out but I think we have focused way to much on that aspect, I much prefer a high low run off of the motion offense gone in to VERY quickly if the secondary action isn't there.
While I don't agree that is the case, Hubert, tonight when he says his prayers does need to give thanks that I am not in Bubba's job. No, I would not fire him but we would have a very honest and candid conversation that if next season looks like the one that just ended then I will be looking for a new head coach for UNC. I am willing to give him 4-5yrs, I will keep him at very least thru his current contract term BUT there can be NO, I repeat NO repeats of this past season or you do not make it to year 4. I don't care what the win loss record was, I don't even really care that we didn't make the NCAAT, I can tolerate those things if I think we are headed in a good direction but I saw way to many rookie mistakes and those need to go away, I don't care how you do it but UNC does not pay you millions of dollars to act like some middle school coach that is only coaching because he wants to make a few extra bucks he does not make teaching history.
At one time I had over 280 people that reported to me in a manufacturing world, I loved hiring you, I didn't mind firing you if you just were not good enough because there were others that dreamed to have your job and would do anything they could to get it and keep it. Next season Hubert has to show that he is at very least pointed in the right direction, he did not show that this past season so the get out of jail cards have now all been used.
I’ve heard that Nickels gf is pregnant and he wants to be closer to home or VCU where she attends…I could see him going to VCU
Some teams start 3 guards.. Houston does and other successful teams do as well. 2 wings is plenty if we can find a good guard or 2 in the portal.
Yeah, I have heard that for well over a month now, honestly, don't blame the kid, I have as well heard he really did not want to leave UNC but some things are just real life stuff that you have to handle your business with. The Garcia stuff was a smoke screen so the kid didn't have to answer to a lot of hard questions but this deal with Tyler is real and I can' blame him for making, what I consider to be a grown up decision.
Know this, I wish Tyler NOTHING but the best, except when his team plays UNC! Good kid!
bacot doesn’t seem worried…he’s tweeting “who wants to come play with me”.
at least he’s enjoying this lol
at least he’s enjoying this lol
SHUT UP SLANGER! LOL
I knew some one was gonna jump on my writers cramp comment! LOL
John Chaney, the former Temple Coach referred to these players as “Goons.” Having the ability to send in a Goon is always a great option
Personally, I LOVE a good goon when he is on our side! LOL
I am not of the belief that basketball is not a contact sport, I actually like a team that is physical to the extent that they don't take crap from the other team. I believe that if a kid drives the paint and thinks he can finish, I want some one to park him in the 3rd row, I want a message sent that you don't drive in my lane and not pay a price for it, you want to flop, I give you a reason to flop. YOU may take basketball as a sport, I take it as a conflict, you vs me and you do not have the option of beating me and if you do not realize that then I may have to educate you and I am more than willing to do just that. Just tell me how many pints of blood it will take before you understand. You have to send the message, I am not here to tap dance with ya, I am here to win, if you want to play, let a teacher call recess and go eat your lunchables and then go out to the play ground!
David pretty sure you were a great communicator, and those were some long meetings of the mind. LOL!!!!
Folks... Hubert has 1:1s with all the players. We're looking to add several starters from the portal, so more than likely Hubert told Puff/Styles/Nickel they'd continue to see reserve minutes.
It's a new era. We're not depending on High and Wilcher for next year; we have a plan to add 4-5 portal guys, of whom 3 will be starters with Davis + Bacot. The current roster is a wholly incomplete picture.
I'm with ya. I love Puff but we've had three years to see he's not a starting caliber player. We need spots for transfers, and now we have them. Really excited to see who we can add now.
The problem is, we'll competing with a lot of teams for the top portal guys. Kansas for example expects to lose all but 4 scholarship players to graduation, transfer, or the pros. We've already seen they are pursuing Nick Timberlake (along with UCLA, IU, OSU, Maryland, etc...)
We have to get top flight starters and backups at multiple positions, and most need to be good 3pt shooters. And we have to convince them to come play for a coach known to rarely use his bench, instead of a bunch of proven coaches.
Yep, that's the job!! Hubert's getting paid handsomely to do it. No different than when we had to outcompete all the same schools for high school recruits.
Know what Coop, folks LOVED working with me because I didn't treat them as children, I treated them as adults. I showed them that I was willing to do the most nasty job we had, I would NEVER ask anyone to do anything I was not willing to do. Yeah, funny thing, if you think what I write is long winded then you never had me talk in a meeting because I have never been afraid to throw out some words and I have NEVER been afraid to look you in the eyes when I did so. The only man I have ever MET that I that I could not look eye ball to eye ball and say EXACTLY what I thought was my daddy and I promise ya, that 6'5" 280lbs retired Sgt Major in the Marine corps, ya kinda had to chose your words smartly with... But that man was my hero, he was everything to me. How many can say that about their dad, I darn sure can, he taught me to be a man, not just act like one.
It's completely different. You sometimes had years to recruit high school players, developing relationships along the way. You usually didn't need very big classes. You could stagger your recruiting based on needs and returning players from year to year.
Now we have to find 2-3 starters and 2-3 backups between now and June. We have to evaluate them purely on video. We won't have the time to find out if they have red flags. It's going to be awfully hard to get any quality backups thanks to Hubert's lack of bench minutes.
And honestly look at Hubert's portal success record: McKoy, Garcia, Manek, and Nance. Are you confident he can get what we need knowing his track record?
It's been suggested his girlfriend is pregnant and going to vcu so he is going to VA Tech to be closer to her. That might be it.
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