Puff is gone
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Yep I am. Don't really care about the record, it's just a few guys, one of whom was an absolute home run. Not sure who thought McKoy would be really good, but I didn't. He was just a reserve program guy brought in (we may add another one of those this year).
It's much, much, MUCH easier to find good portal players. You have years of stats/film at the college level, vs high school guys who have no quality film and you're relying on massive projection. There are lots of guys who are near locks to be good in the portal every year, not so much in high school. Hit rate should be much higher. And I don't need to tell you we've had tons of HS recruiting misses -- just look at all the guys transferring out.
I remain confident we can add ~3 good players in the portal. Guess we'll have to see.
LOL... his sense of geography is way off!
Chapel Hill is about 2.5 hours from Richmond. Straight shot on 85.
Blacksburg is 3.5 hours from Richmond. Multiple highways!
Oops!
This truly is a dumpster fire right now. But like I said during the season, a mass exodus should be expected with how Hubert disregarded his bench while Caleb Love was able to shoot any shot he wanted within the mid court line and zero repercussions for it. Hubert brought this on himself.
And I would not bank on the portal for a turnaround. Hubert missed on Garcia, McCoy and Nance but hit on Manek. He’s batting 25% with the portal. And the portal is supposed to supplement a hole needing filled, not a complete roster restructuring with one year rental players.
I miss the days where we watched players develop and get better for four straight years. I’ve not seen a player get better under Hubert, but I sure have seen transfers and players regress.
And I would not bank on the portal for a turnaround. Hubert missed on Garcia, McCoy and Nance but hit on Manek. He’s batting 25% with the portal. And the portal is supposed to supplement a hole needing filled, not a complete roster restructuring with one year rental players.
I miss the days where we watched players develop and get better for four straight years. I’ve not seen a player get better under Hubert, but I sure have seen transfers and players regress.
Will any of our guys in the portal come back?
They can do that, right - if the school is OK with it and the scholarship is still available.
Consider Nickel. Did he know Puff was leaving? Did he know Styes was leaving?
I can see Nickel thinking "I don't want to be 3rd or 4th in the rotation behind a portal guy, Puff and maybe Styles." But how about being 2nd behind a portal guy?
Come on back T-Nick. Give it another year.
They can do that, right - if the school is OK with it and the scholarship is still available.
Consider Nickel. Did he know Puff was leaving? Did he know Styes was leaving?
I can see Nickel thinking "I don't want to be 3rd or 4th in the rotation behind a portal guy, Puff and maybe Styles." But how about being 2nd behind a portal guy?
Come on back T-Nick. Give it another year.
I'd say Dunn has gotten better. But that's the only guy who comes to mind.
Anyone else? Armando has improved his game a bit but how much of that was coaching vs his own work ethic?
David whoever accused you on being long winded? Just some of your posts which I can take a break and come back and finish it. Sort of like a novel that you start reading it, put it down and you have to come back to it. Commend you for being someone who does not pretend to be above all others, and is willing to admit when you are wrong. Had to harass you some David, do not take it personally, it's great that we can discuss different points of view, and realize that's what it is different point of views.
Yes. I think used the right way three of those guys are fine players. Mckoy not so much. Doesn’t matter if you can get them if you can’t coach them. ie calipari and others of course.
It was really more like two because of injuries. You also need a player like Puff for depth and in case one of the transfers doesn't work out. The chances of Hubert being able to grab 2-3 good starters and a couple of solid bench players are basically zero. Not sure why some people act like he's going to have no problem improving through the portal.
We'll see. I would've been happy to keep Puff but I don't think it's an enormous loss on the court.
We barely know how Hubert can do in the portal. He didn't have much time last year bc Walton decommitted so late. Nance was still okay, albeit not good enough.
The year before he got a depth guy in McKoy when we had almost no bigs, an absolute grand slam in Manek, and another guy who was a no brainer talented prospect but just didn't work out in Garcia. I do think we can land a bunch of quality guys this year personally.
Let's say he actually hits on all five players that we'll probably need. What happens the year after? Do we really want to be in a situation where we are basically depending on Hubert to be a legendary portal recruiter?
I think that may be the situation for a lot of teams from now on.
The ones who can manage a roster will be fine. Roy would have thrived in this environment. He was great at getting kids minutes and he would be able to get the fringe pro players to stick around because of NIL.
Puff got plenty of opportunity even with his constant durability issues. He never made a case for more time. He played hard, was a good weak side take a charge defender, but a poor on ball guy in space, and bullied in the paint..
His calling card coming in was shooting, he struggled in that area as well. He has 2 years left with the Covid year, he has talent, but he is a role playing 3 who is too light in the ass for the 4 at UNC. It makes sense to find a better fit to be a focus shooting 3.
Guys, the portal is set for this, find your best match. There will be another 1, 000 or so entering post tourney.
His calling card coming in was shooting, he struggled in that area as well. He has 2 years left with the Covid year, he has talent, but he is a role playing 3 who is too light in the ass for the 4 at UNC. It makes sense to find a better fit to be a focus shooting 3.
Guys, the portal is set for this, find your best match. There will be another 1, 000 or so entering post tourney.
The best teams will have to be great recruiters, yes, that's how college sports has always been. No one's saying all the transfers have to be one year guys either. Cam, Garcia, and McKoy all came here on multi-year plans.
For 24-25 you potentially have Davis, Washington, Wilcher, Trimble, Cadeau, Jackson, and any multi-year transfer as starter candidates. I think it'll look more filled than this year.
Could be the norm around the college ball. You either get a team of one and doners or 5 transfers. Not the game I grew up loving.
If that's the route you're going to go, then you need to have a coach who can easily get those players. We have people on here who are telling us our bench players couldn't beat a middle school girls team and Hubert hasn't shown he can pull multiple players from the portal that can make a difference. He has a lot of work to do this year and if he can't figure it out in a couple of years, year four might be his last.
Correct as they're reports out now that Davis was pretty candid in the post season meeting about Puffs availability, or lack thereof, and would be looking for help via the portal at his position. Think the next domino is Caleb leaving followed by Cadeau reclassifying.
What a bizzaro world college basketball has become, now we are actually asking if we want our programs built from free agency or the draft?
Agreed. I am not in love with the college game like I used to be.
Coaches are finally getting a taste of their own medicine. They didn't have a problem bolting for their next opportunity, now the players are doing the same.
You might potentially have those .. then again with the chit show that UNC bball has become you may start seeing recruits de-commit. This is not the traditional UNC bball I grew up respecting and supporting and you can now throw this "family" ish out the window. Hubcap has taken care of that.
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We don't need 5, in fact any more than 3 would create major chemistry issues.
*We need an absolute stud to come in and play the 3.
*I think we need a starter at the 4 and have Jalen back up both big spots with 20-25 min.
I think the 3rd guy should be another wing that can shoot and is ok with being a reserve.
I think the only way we go with 4-5 portal players is if another player
( besides Love) leaves.
We currently have
Bacot
Jalen
R.J.
Dunn
Trimble
Wilcher
High
That is 7 guys that could be in rotation, although I think High would be better served as the 4th big in his first year.
So 6 rotation players plus what we add in portal.
Unless we are filling out the roster with walk-ons, know for a fact those three will be studs and assume no injuries happen, we definitely need more than three.
Yeah it is a gamble knowing we probably need 2/3 portal guys to be realky good, but who are you going to get for the 11th, 12th, & 13th schollys?
What portal huy will want to come and take the Styles, McKoy and Shaver roles knowing they can't transfer ANOTHER time without sitting. And a last year guy won't come to do that either.
Best scenario for one of those spots would be to find a Wes Miller type that does not feel the need to play right away.
I think there will be MANY years that Carolina will award multyple scholarships to walkons going forward.
If I am a decent HS player in the State of Carolina that could maybe play Div 2 or3 , I would instead walkon at UNC and try my luck.😏
We need 5. In addition to starters at the 2-3-4, we have no backup wing whatsoever, and very thin with Washington/High as the only backup bigs. Given all of Washington's injury issues and High being a fairly low ranked freshman I think we'll add another big unless the 4 is capable there (but problem is, most 4s who can play there will cause fit issues a la Nance, so why not just add an extra 5?).
Disagree. No one is getting sold on being the 13th scholarship. We have many needs and most schools find a way to incorporate 8-9 guys into the rotation. Just as we used all 13 this year, I think we'll find a way to use them all for 23/24.
5? No way you can get 5 players to come in here thinking they are going to get time, with at least 6-7 guys in place already.
That would be far fetched if Roy was still coaching, but Hubert has given the fanbase and possible portal player ZERO reason to believe he will play anyone meaningful min beyond 7-9 players.
We can argue what should tske place, or what is " likely" to take place.
It is very unlikely Hubert is going to all of a sudden play a 10-12 man rotation.
Where do you live, I will bet you a Beer that a Walkon OR TWO get scholly in 2023-24 season
Also with the way the game is being played going forward, I can't see Carolina of many teams carrying more than 4 " Bigs" . It is becoming more and more a guards game.
High will be our 4th big next season and a portal wing will be the most likely player to move up front for small ball.
Didn't Kansas State add 10 new players?
They kept saying during the elite eight game "A year ago KSU only had 2 players and no head coach."
Yes they did but they started with 2. They also were coming in with a new coach without preconceived notions.
Anyone that has watched Hubert coach for 2 years would be leary of him playing beyond even 7 guys until he changes the narrative.
We'll see. I bet we use at least 12 of our 13 total scholarships.
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