Quick stuff (Pitt game 2)...

[big_deez]

I think Cadeau has become polarizing mainly because of the expectations that were placed on him before he stepped on campus. Not fair to him and comparison is the thief of joy. But people were calling him generational, the next great PG, potentially the best blah blah blah. And as of today, he isn’t that.

He wasn’t given the chance to just be a normal PG to some degree. I don’t really recall any other PG having the generational label attached before playing a game for UNC. And I’ll admit I thought it was really odd.

And of course if Cadeau had studs around him he’d be better and the team would be better. I just think of a generational player as someone who truly elevates those around him. But he’s not that and I think that’s ok. He’s a developing talented point guard.

But I think it’s gotten to the point where people on either side are pot committed to their opinion. So the pro Cadeau people will point out every awesome thing he does and assess blame to someone else when he makes a poor play. And those who are maybe tired of Cadeau will point out every bad play and look over some of his great plays.

And I’ll admit, I prefer a PG who could score 20 without it being a surprise. I think that makes your team harder to guard. I do think being in favor of the pass first PG is more nostalgia because the Cota and Marshall teams were really fun. In reality, the Marshall teams werent that great offensively relative to Roy’s best teams. Roy’s best teams were always led by PGs who could score and shoot.

Yo Nathan, right on man. I agree with everything you said, great response. EC is highly skilled, give him time to develop, many talented UNC PGs struggled early on, even with surrounding talent.

 

[gary-7]

Not blaming him Gary. Guess you missed the part where I said he isn't the problem. Here is the quote so you don't have to search: "He isn't the even close to the biggest problem. He can get us there."

The fact is Gary when someone disagrees with you, you try to berate them and make them seem less than. When that doesn't work you call them names.

You simply can't admit your human. I don't post much but read almost everything and I have never seen you say 'I was wrong.' Not trying to get in a pissing match with you but not gonna get run over either.

I felt like your opening statement about Cadeau bashing was aimed at me so I responded.

Like it or not doesn't make a difference to me. Will still read your takes and agree with most of what you write. Good thing we are all not the same

For the record, the fact is my first statement was NOT directed at you.

And come on now, I most certainly did not call you names after that misdirected response, nor am I the one who hijacked the thread in the first place. In fact, I prefaced my first response with "out of respect".

What I did do, and will continue to do, is point out misconceptions and (sometimes) absurdities. Thus, I'll say it again and without apologies, the idea of banging on EC as part of this game summary is simply absurd.

 

[dtodd4475]

Nice to see RJ back (or mostly back). That's definitely part of the formula.

Ian can create, too, but being a freshman, sometimes doesn't. A shame we're unlikely to see him as a soph.

Agreed, Ian can create as well, been in a funk lately, freshman wall, adjustments by opponents, not sure, but he can create. I thought it was a sound decision to sit him more yesterday. We will need his scoring if we go on a late season run though.

 

[gary-7]

Oh I agree…Fair or not the PG at UNC is judge different than any program in the country because we have had so many great 1s…

EC needs to take this team and lead them like we know he can…I also wouldn’t mind when EC goes to the bench let Ian have the ball and let him create…RJ and Seth just dribble a little to much…

Either way I will not expect much the rest of the way maybe they surprise me….GO Heels…

Yeah, it's "hope" more than "expect" at this point. I too will continue with the former...

 

[gary-7]

Agreed, Ian can create as well, been in a funk lately, freshman wall, adjustments by opponents, not sure, but he can create. I thought it was a sound decision to sit him more yesterday. We will need his scoring if we go on a late season run though.

To Ian's credit, he did try to pass instead of automatically putting his head down a few times. Hopefully, he can begin sooner rather than later to balance his innate finishing ability with sound ball-sharing.

 

[ACokeForRoy]

Gary, damn straight correct about the refs, sir. Elliot’s second foul? Did he even touch the Pitt player?
A horrible call puts EC on the bench; our offense clunks around, we give back a lead by going cold.
We have seen this plenty of times this season. Had he fouled him, then OK. But, come on!

I noticed a change in the way the Refs call the game against EC after the 2nd game in Maui. He was locking defenders down since the start of the season until one of those Maui games when a coach complained to the refs. Since then, they have been calling fouls on EC at an enormous rate and it has affected his defense.

 

[NathanFielder]

BS. I know exactly what you're referring to, and if Ray thinks for a second he could do any better with the junk we've been running, well... bless his heart.

Ray was one of my favorite players here but he is WAY off base. And BTW, I talk with more than one former player who also think he is FOS on this...

I guess my question here is those other former players you mention. What makes their opinions more valid than Felton's?

Also, I'm sure 100% Felton thinks he could do a better job. Athletes (current and former) have really big egos when it comes to the sport they played. Most of the ones who played big roles at big stake places will think that way. So I don't have an issue if Felton thinks that this team would be better off if he were the PG. In fact, I'd be really surprised if he said "yea, this team would suck if I were the PG too!"

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I noticed a change in the way the Refs call the game against EC after the 2nd game in Maui. He was locking defenders down since the start of the season until one of those Maui games when a coach complained to the refs. Since then, they have been calling fouls on EC at an enormous rate and it has affected his defense.

And RJ hardly ever goes to the line any more. He's still picking himself up off the floor a lot, but only getting to the line about half as often. That's my impression. Haven't checked the stats.