realistically how to beat Duke at their place

[IDUNK4HEELS]

Everybody has their own ideas like slowing down Allen and Ingram which is good but it is not going to happen since this will probably be the last game for both of them on front of the Cameron crazies but I think the real key will be stopping the complimentary players. Cannot let Plum Lee score in double digits again and let the lefty freshman have wide open looks. Have Johnson, Meeks, and Hicks attack their bigs as well as Jackson. Force Allen to his left. And run em to death. Feed Johnson in the paint until he cannot raise his arms anymore. And if Allen tries to leg whip someone have James or Meeks drill him hard when he goes to the goal.

 

[coryfly]

Your point about complimentary players was certainly true last game. If we had contained Kennard we possibly could have got a big enough lead that it wouldn't have mattered what we did late in the game.

 

[Spacegrass]

Not shoot 1-13 from 3

It won't get it done.

 

[bleeduncblue]

Not shoot 1-13 from 3

It won't get it done.

I'll be pissed if we take 13 three's again anyway. But I know dook is gonna play a load of zone and try to force us to beat them with outside shots, which I'm not sure we can do. We'll see who forces their will on that part.

 

[JuleZ '02 HEEL]

The same way we beat them the first time. Except don't quit doing it in the last five minutes.

 

[DSouthr]

Everybody has their own ideas like slowing down Allen and Ingram which is good but it is not going to happen since this will probably be the last game for both of them on front of the Cameron crazies but I think the real key will be stopping the complimentary players. Cannot let Plum Lee score in double digits again and let the lefty freshman have wide open looks. Have Johnson, Meeks, and Hicks attack their bigs as well as Jackson. Force Allen to his left. And run em to death. Feed Johnson in the paint until he cannot raise his arms anymore. And if Allen tries to leg whip someone have James or Meeks drill him hard when he goes to the goal.

That is it right there, we have to pound the ball inside and our bigs have to attack their defender, we can not allow them to turn us in to a jump shooting team. Great point about forcing Allen to his left, he wants to go to his right nearly exclusively. Also agree, the difference in the first game was Kennard points, take those away and this game should be much easier. PLum is the ONLY dukie with physical strength inside and he is foul prone, take it to his chest and he will put you on the foul line.

 

[berens007]

Other than the refs, I don't think where the game is played matters much. Considering the reputation HIS supposedly has, Roy's teams have done ok over there. Yeah this group hasn't won there, but Duke's had more talent each year. I think we proved that last year, when we pretty much had them dead before our signature late game wilt. It took Parker going nuts the year before to beat us. It wasn't the dorks in the crowd that caused us to lose.

We need to score, score, score, as we were doing in the last game, but not stop doing it in the last seven minutes. We didn't stop them the entire game, we just stopped scoring. And if they are going to try and crash the offensive boards we have to box out and make them pay by running. I'd love to say cut off the red carpet to the hoop and don't sag off of guys like Jones and Kennard, but that just isn't going to happen. Maybe boxing out isn't either. So I think our offense is what makes us win or lose.

 

[tarheel0910]

I think we get the win if we can score more than them or if they score less points than us.

 

[dbav]

I would say run, which is what you like to do anyway. Our team is tired and showing signs of it, especially the freshmen.

I would also say pound the ball inside the whole game this time. We hung around while you were doing that in the last one, but I don't think that would have continued in the final 10 minutes.

There might be some differences in approach due to differing performances at this point. Jeter has become slightly more consistent while Kennard has been in a real slump since our last meeting which may impact things. Frankly, I'd say the way to beat us is to do what you did in the first 30 minutes of the last game, but for a full 40. Just my opinion though.

 

[coachdubausee]

make shots and limit dumb fouls

 

[Tru Blu Tar Heel]

Everybody has their own ideas like slowing down Allen and Ingram which is good but it is not going to happen since this will probably be the last game for both of them on front of the Cameron crazies but I think the real key will be stopping the complimentary players. Cannot let Plum Lee score in double digits again and let the lefty freshman have wide open looks. Have Johnson, Meeks, and Hicks attack their bigs as well as Jackson. Force Allen to his left. And run em to death. Feed Johnson in the paint until he cannot raise his arms anymore. And if Allen tries to leg whip someone have James or Meeks drill him hard when he goes to the goal.

Feed Brice and feed him well. He should get a touch every time down the floor.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I think we get the win if we can score more than them or if they score less points than us.

 

[TarHeelTroy]

Feed Brice and feed him well. He should get a touch every time down the floor.

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[gary-7]

Your point about complimentary players was certainly true last game. If we had contained Kennard we possibly could have got a big enough lead that it wouldn't have mattered what we did late in the game.

True. Never help down vs dook --- they're not likely to beat you with 2 pt shots, and playing one-on-one is not a formula for game-long success unless they can get kick-out 3s.

 

[gary-7]

That is it right there, we have to pound the ball inside and our bigs have to attack their defender, we can not allow them to turn us in to a jump shooting team. Great point about forcing Allen to his left, he wants to go to his right nearly exclusively. Also agree, the difference in the first game was Kennard points, take those away and this game should be much easier. PLum is the ONLY dukie with physical strength inside and he is foul prone, take it to his chest and he will put you on the foul line.

Dave, the oft unseen key to this is for our Bigs to really put forth effort in screening for each other, and then posting like they mean it. As Roy said, failure to do that was the real reason Brice didn't touch the ball down the stretch last time. The dookie defenders were draped over our Bigs like cheap suits, and we know we can't count on the zebras to call it, and (other than Hicks) you don't want to settle to have to feed a Big if he's 6 feet outside the block. Bottom line is you hafta do work to make sure you get someone open in good places.

 

[heels05champs]

True. Never help down vs dook --- they're not likely to beat you with 2 pt shots, and playing one-on-one is not a formula for game-long success unless they can get kick-out 3s.

I agree with what you're saying but it never fails that we end up doing exactly what we shouldn't and they're left shooting wide open 3's.

 

[Archer2]

I agree Gary. Perimeter players must stay with their men and not help down. dook does most of their damage from shooting outside jumpers and living at the foul line. The team that makes the most FT's will win, and that doesn't bode well for the good guys. Allen shot 19 FT's in their last game, more than BC as a team.

Before the game, Roy should ask the refs to watch for moving screens up top, dook does this constantly.

 

[DSouthr]

Dave, the oft unseen key to this is for our Bigs to really put forth effort in screening for each other, and then posting like they mean it. As Roy said, failure to do that was the real reason Brice didn't touch the ball down the stretch last time. The dookie defenders were draped over our Bigs like cheap suits, and we know we can't count on the zebras to call it, and (other than Hicks) you don't want to settle to have to feed a Big if he's 6 feet outside the block. Bottom line is you hafta do work to make sure you get someone open in good places.

ABSO-FREAKIN-LOUTLY !

Totally agree gary, really disappointed that those fellas do not do this on a constant basis. Run to the block on the much discussed secondary break but when it gets in to the half court they have to consistently screen, roll off to another screen or seal and cut on ball rotation. We play some of the most pretty basketball you can watch when we do those things but we seem to do it only in spurts.

 

[TarHeelTroy]

I agree with what you're saying but it never fails that we end up doing exactly what we shouldn't and they're left shooting wide open 3's.

Vs. Pitt, dook didn't even make a 2 PT jump shot until 7:31 remained in the half!! Over 12 minutes of game clock without a 2PT FG. They only hit 4 shots inside the arc in the 1st half, and only 7 total in the entire GAME. All this to say, I agree totally. They aren't going to beat you with twos.

 

[gary-7]

I agree with what you're saying but it never fails that we end up doing exactly what we shouldn't and they're left shooting wide open 3's.

I hear ya. It's really hard to maintain that discipline in game situations, especially when you normally help in those situations.

 

[Tru Blu Tar Heel]

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YES, exactly like that.

 

[Tru Blu Tar Heel]

Like THIS:
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YES, exactly like that.

 

[gary-7]

ABSO-FREAKIN-LOUTLY !

Totally agree gary, really disappointed that those fellas do not do this on a constant basis. Run to the block on the much discussed secondary break but when it gets in to the half court they have to consistently screen, roll off to another screen or seal and cut on ball rotation. We play some of the most pretty basketball you can watch when we do those things but we seem to do it only in spurts.

You said it, Dave... spot on. And that is a 2-way street. If our Bigs want the rock they have to, well, want the rock. Everyone we play regularly knows the Carolina bread-and-butter is low post entries, so they're gonna do anything they can to deny that. I see fans blaming our perimeter guys for not getting them the ball, but it's up to the Bigs to work --- set solid back-screens for each other, and post strong and deep and show an open hand.

We have three talented, skilled and experienced Bigs in our main rotation. They can all do good things with the ball when they get it, but if there is one weakness in the trio, it's consistent old-school get-your-ass-into-the-defender's-thigh and screen for your buddy post-up work.

 

[CrazyHeel]

Maybe even use a time out or two.

 

[Spaceytoyz]

same thing it is every game with them
If its a basketball game up and down you leave the kids alone stop tinkering with lineups and its got great flow the Heels win
if its a coaching battle we lose...........

 

[32TheEnigma]

Just dumping the ball into Brice ain't gonna cut it. You can' trade 2's for 3's and expect to win. Bottom line is we'll need a minimum of five 3's in order to win at their place (along with heavy doses of Brice).

 

[Tom79]

Agree with all above but especially David and Gary...good points. Our guys really have to mean it inside, SET the dang screen, WANT the dang ball...and continue to work our butts off on both ends.
I agree on the help, play strong man to man. Matchups in this game for us are not as tough as some conference teams. Trippin' goes right...so be there and force him left.

 

[TraBuch]

If you go inside every possession and not go away from it like Roy did the last ten minutes of the first game, you'll probably win. We could pack five guys inside and still not stop anybody, and on the off chance that we do, someone'll just get an offensive rebound.

 

[ChiShankCity]

I think if we stay under 10 points difference from 3, we'll win pretty comfortably. But I am guessing foul trouble will be an issue considering the game will be at Duke.

I'm primarily going to be looking at the 3pt line and the FT line. If we have an advantage from the FT line and stay competitive from the 3pt line, we'll win pretty easy. Duke can't guard and we should get what we want as long as we're patient.

I'm interested in the cross match ups.

We went a lot of Brice guarding Ingram at home. I think that will be an issue in Cameron because I'm assuming a tight whistle.

 

[Bubspub88]

How the game is called will be critical. With UNC's depth a quick whistle should favor the Heels but we do not play smart defense especially on the road. I think rebounding will be key. Control the defensive glass and do not allow the kick out threes. Interesting that this will be the 3rd time in final 5 weeks Carolina has been on the game day lineup and all 3 have been road games. According to Wikipedia (so not sure about accuracy) the Heels have been visitor in 11 of their 15 game day appearances.