So we go out and hire a GM with international connections yet we are the only school on tobacco road without an international commit? Not a good look. Any insight on why players don’t want to come play for us despite us willing to pay?
Recruiting Observation
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Well Hubert and the GM needed an A grade here in the offseason and are Currently stuck at a C… Yes I know we surely aren’t completed but if getting Guys is a yearly Struggle like this year then We have to replace Coach
We all saw the same team last year they ran a one man offense and really had nothing different for dead ball plays…
I always think of the Stanford game where they ran the same play out of a timeout 3 times without any resistance
Bottom line is recruiting foreign guys takes time. The process is far more complicated than signing a domestic kid, and give that we've been out of that market for a while, it's no surprise we're still waiting.
You also are competing against euro pro leagues. and getting these guys paid legally over here is not the same as for a local kid. In other words, don't read anything into the time-tables. We are in fact hard after some Euro prospects so it's not a simple matter of them not wanting to play for us. If anything, they would probabaly be more receptive than American kids, as they would have less networking into what has gone down here recently.
No one wants to see HB fired just to have him fired. No one wants him to fail. Being a UNC player and asst coach is not a reason to hire him as HC. Roy needed to finish what Dean wanted to do. Roy's Hubert Davis is Deans Smith's Phil Ford. I think Roy's loyalty and love for Dean strongly influenced him choose HD as his successor.
As I stated, I want HD to be successful because he is the coach for UNC, not because he played at UNC. I am a UNC fan, first. I want them to win, I dont really care who the coach is. HD's loyalty to his assts is a hindrance to his success as well. They dont seem to get the best or raise the skill level of the players.
Does what Drake Powell said cause concern for the future of the program?
As I stated, I want HD to be successful because he is the coach for UNC, not because he played at UNC. I am a UNC fan, first. I want them to win, I dont really care who the coach is. HD's loyalty to his assts is a hindrance to his success as well. They dont seem to get the best or raise the skill level of the players.
Does what Drake Powell said cause concern for the future of the program?
I definitely agree with what you’re saying but Dook sure did get Sarr at the drop of a dime! Meanwhile we’ve been talking to a couple of euro guys for an extended period of time and there’s no news on any of it! Other teams seem like they’ve gotten commits with ease too..it seems like we’re struggling all around recruiting wise!
He was already in the states playing college basketball. I’m talking true international players where we are their first stop.
certainly noted but isn’t the sales cycle the same for the other programs getting these kids to commit? doesn’t look like we have much excuse here.
There’s really no excuses HD has lost every player on the team because even Trimble left and returned so short of James Brown they all left ..
So they Give Caleb a boat load of money to play 1 year and then over Pay on potential talent that for sure were not their last stops 1st 2nd or 3rd options ..
Now they throw their name in the hat on any Wing player that averaged double figures last year with a pulse and are coming up short
Throw on top of this, players chirping from last year on how their time at UNC was not as expected then we certainly have a problem
This May be bigger than a Hubert problem Scheyer is assembling NBA lottery teams and doesn’t show a national championship game appearance out of it
I mean is he a great coach ? Not at all just has better players but that whole pipeline over there top to bottom is a well oiled machine
So they Give Caleb a boat load of money to play 1 year and then over Pay on potential talent that for sure were not their last stops 1st 2nd or 3rd options ..
Now they throw their name in the hat on any Wing player that averaged double figures last year with a pulse and are coming up short
Throw on top of this, players chirping from last year on how their time at UNC was not as expected then we certainly have a problem
This May be bigger than a Hubert problem Scheyer is assembling NBA lottery teams and doesn’t show a national championship game appearance out of it
I mean is he a great coach ? Not at all just has better players but that whole pipeline over there top to bottom is a well oiled machine
Scheyer is assembling a lottery team only because Dook's secret club 20 plus million a yr for men's basketball wants only the best ! Maybe UNC should follow, HD would look better as a coach if the millionaire's at UNC would buy a yearly team for HD
Well obviously that’s the point give Hubert Scheyers roster for next year and he will at least win the ACC
So that’s why this thing is much deeper than Hubert
To be fair, basketball is literally all they have over there in Durham. We have to fund all kinds of sports. If we decided to not care about anything else and dump it all into basketball, then we’d have a lot more for Hubert to misuse.
You raise a good point. I'm not saying we need foreign players, but other than the one guy whose name eludes me we, don't seem to be making any effort. Or is this another case where fans aren't important enough to be fed tidbits?
I was just looking at incoming talent for our top ACC competitors. At a glance all of them have added at least 1 foreigner (Louisville has 2).
I have no idea if those international players are stars, projects or cannon fodder. But they have them, and we don't. Yet.
I don't know how much we've spent for Tanner, his staff and the big bump in NIL (where we reportedly are among the very top tier in the nation on $$$). All that is directed to roster creation.
If we don't end up with the team we need to contend, is that really Hubert's fault?
On the "grade Hubert" thread, Hubert gets some of his best marks on recruiting from HS and recruiting from the portal. Then we upgraded by adding Tanner and $$$. We upgraded his strengths, not his weaknesses.
Obviously both manpower and money were needed in this wild west portal era. So I'm not saying that was the wrong move. But it sounds like Hubert is no longer in full charge of getting players. If that's true, I'm not sure I will blame him if we end up with a roster that isn't competitive with Duke or Louisville, etc.
[Don't get me wrong. Hubert is still totally on the hook for getting the best out of his players. But he now shares the blame if the roster isn't good enough.]
A growing peeve of mine is how secretive the player acquisition process has become. I don't expect insider details, but a little bit of news about where are we heading and who are we interested in from time to time isn't a lot to ask.
I know I'm not the only long-time fan who is feeling a little shut out. Yeah, yeah, I get it. It's a business. It's always been a business for some, and it's become more of a business and for more people than ever before.
But it's not just a business.
You have to understand, technically Tanner works for Hubert but I believe he actually reports more to Bubba than to Hubert. Tanner's initial function is to determine in conjunction with Hubert what the team needs are and what qualities Hubert is looking for in players that may fit those needs. Tanner then goes out and finds a list of players that fit that and determines what money we can have available to get that player. It is up to Hubert to offer, to bring them in for a visit, basically sell the program to the kid.
Have to realize Tanner was hired what, a mouth before the portal opened, had basically no time to get any staff in place, how much money would be there to bring players in was changing nearly every day. We were VERY fortunate a group of guys came together to help Tanner but to this day Tanner still does not have any staff, he has had no time to handle that. Funny how so many got so excited about Ivan, finally we may get a Euro guy, odd isn't it that he knew for a couple months that he could not get thru UNC admissions. But oh, that isn't the story folks want to hear is it, they much prefer to call it a Hubert miss than what it actually was? Funny isn't it, that all the sudden we have 3 Euro guys names dropped as associated with UNC, you heard that how often before Tanner? Odd isn't it, how before Tanner what you hard was why are we not talking to international players and now after Tanner it is why are we talking to but not getting international players, I expected more from Tanner? LOL
I am doing all I can to just not go off on all of this throwing shade at our incoming players but telling ya, it isn't easy, it isn't accurate, and it isn't fair to the players.
Recruiting is an important part of the coach's job. Or at least it used to be. In the era of CEOs, collectives and NIL, recruiting ability may be a less important criterion for selecting a coach.
I can imagine a future when the coach tells the CEO what players and skills he needs and it's up to the CEO and staff to line up the players.
With players moving around so much, development may be another coaching skill that becomes less important.
Why does it matter what number stop we are? Seems like an incredibly trivial thing. Veesaar is from Estonia and he's a homerun get for UNC.
It has to do with whether we are successfully competing outside the US.
I don’t think he’s a great coach, but he’s put his talent in system to shine for the most part. We have not heard much chirping from players about how bad dukes system is.
He was playing for Arizona, you don’t have to worry about players getting student visa’s, trepidation about leaving home and most importantly getting out those Euro league contracts.
respectfully D, just because UNC publishes their interest and contact with a prospect doesn’t mean jack shit. We’ve literally done that for every top tier prospect this portal cycle and how many have we landed? Do you really equate recruiting success simply to UNC being mentioned as an interested party in a player?
hell i’m interested in Margot Robbie but that hasn’t equated to success for me.
Not being a smart arse ... but if it takes time to land international talent .. Dook landed Dame quickly .... is there a time frame for us to possibly land a international sf / sg
And if it takes time, why the hell didn’t we start a long time ago?
Every new day seems to shine a light on the continuous incompetence of the program’s leadership, whoever that may be, including those making the decisions on who the program’s leadership is.
No specific time-frame --- it is what it is --- but suffice to say dook has advantages by being the favorites amongst the agents because of their OAD factory, and thus have considerable "help" (that in the past would be illegal) getting thru the red tape.
On our end, it doesn't help that we've been so long outta the international market.
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fair points Gary. The excuses by some that it’s simply the long cycle of international recruiting while the 2 peckerheads down the road have already landed international guys during the same cycle is simply an excuse, or frankly failure to realize the obvious. we are in bad shape boys.
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