The problem is that when BO did it NONE of you libs, including you strum, threw a hissy fit like you are doing now.......you people have no clue what to be pissed about!
Refugee Ban
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I'll try to find it. But, out of curiosity, this sounds like you might have a problem with taking snippets of what someone says and presenting it as if it were the full context. Sound familiar?
I didn't know he did it! Why didn't you "cons" bring it up? Why weren't you praising him for doing it? I don't monitor these guys' every political move.
I'm criticizing him now, as soon as I did find out. I can find a litany of things to dislike about Obama.
Well, I can't really tell what he's actually proposing except to stop letting people come to this country. In a way, he makes it seem like "since we can't help all of them, why should we help any of them?" Since we can't make a significant dent, why even make the effort at all? Then, he’s basically appealing to his audience’s sense of pity by telling them we should turn away immigrants for their own good. After all, if we take “their best”, how would their native, poor nations survive without them?
He keeps citing "The World Bank" as his source for information, so I dunno if he's a prop for them or not. He says that THEY say that most of the world is making less than $2 a day, so none of them can ever afford to come here anyway.
Then, his cherry-on-top is "let's help them in their homeland." And, then it stops and so, there's no way to know what, if anything, he proposes to actually do.
Regardless, every Trump supporter here wants to stop immigration and nothing anyone says or does will change their minds. What I saw in that video clip doesn't make me think that turning away immigrants is a solution. So, I guess we're right where we were before you posted it.
But, thanks for posting it.
I wasn't able to find the full speech -- the video was linked to my Facebook feed, so I copied the link here. But the speaker is Dr Roy Beck, who runs an anti-immigration company. But the premise here involves a few key points, which I agree with:
1. America physically cannot accept the number of immigrants it would take to put a dent in the problems being faced in other countries. We do not have the infrastructure, and on top of that, the population growth rate worldwide far exceeds the annual number of people being allowed into this country.
2. Of the people who make the trek to America, the majority of them -- according to this guy (and it's hard to dispute this claim) -- are the top-caliber talents you'd find in these countries they are fleeing. Basically, he is saying that the "best and brightest" are the ones leaving those countries...and that America is basically promoting them to by making it so easy for them.
3. He is saying that the way to tackle this problem is by those "best and brightest" individuals remaining in their home country and making a difference there -- the notion that fleeing their home country is abandoning their own people and continuing the root problem.
Does this help?
Sure, it helps.
I don't think America can accept every unfortunate soul around the world either. I know it can't.
But, I get the feeling that Beck wants the immigration number to be around zero. I don't agree with that.
What I don't understand is why those like the Professor from Clemson, whose story I pasted above, aren't allowed back in. People who are already here legally but go out of the country to the banned countries, are not allowed back in and that doesn't make sense.
They should be allowed back in when, and ONLY when, they have been properly vetted as to why in the F they were going to those places to begin with. As noted above, no one in their right mind would willingly vacation in someplace like Iran.
This would be an exception to the rule, for me, though. The bleeding here has got to be stopped and pissing off a few people shouldn't sway the judgment of the POTUS. I'm glad we finally have someone in the White House with a backbone, personally.
Really? No one in YOUR mind would go there. You've been there?
From what I saw in this, it was a pretty interesting place:
So would you guys agree that whatever "group" that is causing more deaths in the US should be banned from the country? Just kick out whatever the majority of troublemakers are that are a threat to us on the homeland????
A good buddy of mine in high school was here on a student visa from Iceland...he got into one fight and they deported him. So...
I don't have the link available to share right now but statistically speaking the most deadly group we have is white supremacist groups. They're more of a threat to Americans than any Muslim based terror group. If that statistic is in fact true should we ban them and kick them to the curb too????
There's no place in this world, much less this country, for any supremacist group. I don't care if they are white, brown, yellow, pink...they are all scum. I'd vote to do whatever is necessary to take care of them.
Resident aliens and green card holders shouldn't have to have more scrutiny placed on them just because they took a vacation. Since they are over here legally they have the same rights you do. I have no problem stopping new people from coming, but if you are legally over here then you shouldn't be kept from coming back if you haven't broken the law.
Not quite the same thing. I'm assuming the white supremacist you are talking about are natural born citizens. You can't take away the citizenship of a natural born citizen.
I know you can't but they are the BIGGEST threat we have here. I am ALL FOR vetting, not giving benefits to illegals, etc. but when someone IS a citizen but happens to be a Muslim and coming from visiting family, they should not have to be stranded for long periods of time and not allowed back home. It is getting ridiculous. AND if he MUST ban Muslims, then why not Saudi Arabia and the other known countries where there absolutely are known terrorists that have done damage to America before?
Do you see that he did not ban some of the other countries because he has an interest in those countries and he is just protecting his precious money! He does not give two shits about us! Why don't some of you see that?
I agree. That's why I said it in the first part of my post.
I think my point is being missed. If you are a citizen of this country, and you travel to a place in the world known for being a terrorist breeding ground, you should be detained upon trying to re-enter this country...even if it's for no other reason than to be vetted before being released.
Well, if you are going to do it just because you went there, then to me that sounds like false imprisonment and a violation of the 4th amendment.
How is this any different from going through a routine traffic check point and being told to pull over and wait for an officer to question you further?
I fail to see any problem with questioning someone returning from a trouble hotspot. I would actually be relieved to be questioned, if I were the one stopped...at least I'd feel confident knowing the right steps are being done to ensure the safety of this country. At the end of the day, "I" knew where I was traveling to and knew the risks. JMHO
Are they holding Americans who go over to the Middle East and want to return home?? We already know ISIS recruits young men over here.
In my opinion, this whole thing is just Trump throwing his power around for show without giving any REAL thought about what he is doing. He needs to vet anyone coming from any country where the terror groups collect regardless of their religious affiliation, if he's going to do anything at all instead of singling out one religion. He's showing what a true bigoted idiot he really is and also showing he has a few too many likeminded followers.
Because when you are asked to go to the side of the road that means they suspect that you have done something illegal based on the evidence that they can see. Blood shot eyes, smell of alcohol or dugs, etc. Also, you are not going to be questioned for multiple hours and possibly more than a day because of it. You will be questioned and given a sobriety test if necessary, which will take only a few minutes.
Both, but that is in no way shape or form an applicable comparison. Not even close.
That's very selective, don't you think? Even if the scale is far less, the concept is the same.
This is just another example of something being completely blown out of proportion. Mosque in Canada gets shot up anf nobody GAF, but oh holy hell if Trump does anything to try to stop it from happening here.
No, the concept is not the same at all. A more apt comparison would be you being stopped at your door by a policeman after coming home from a vacation. He tells you that you can't go inside because someone was killed at the same hotel you vacationed at. They know you didn't do it, but you have to go to the station for a day so they can make sure you didn't talk to the guy who did it.
I would have no problem with this. If it were my family member killed, I'd want every angle investigated.
Your analogy just proves how much I do not live in fear of death. I sleep with my doors open when the weather is warm. I do not fear death. Death is a blessing just like living is. Most don't get that though.
I do get startled just like anyone else when something unexpected happens and if someone broke in my house it would scare me but I think I would be more afraid of living with the result of whatever bad thing might happen than if they came in and killed me. It's hard to explain. I usually don't lock my doors and don't worry about it. Anyone that tries to come in and steal my stuff would have crazy neighbor to deal with anyway and they'd regret it eventually lol
Ok, but most people don't want to be punished for someone else's crime and according to our laws and constitution you can't be. The courts must think there is some merit to this because they have issued an injunction.
But don't you wonder WHY people blow up and terrorize like this? What do you think prompts someone to do things like this??
Seriously? The level of fear that you exhibit here makes me really feel bad for you. I dunno what is the direct culprit, or main source, for your fear, but you are swimming in it. How much Fox/right-wing paranoia "news" do you watch or consume on a daily/weekly basis?
Another thing that is guaranteed from this; it will help make ISIS and jihadist recruitment so much easier.
Sadly, this is very true but we will still have to listen to the idiots who support Trump sing his praises. Every time we get back what we have coming from doing these asinine, knee-jerk reactive things, they will be blaming Obama STILL. They cannot see what results will come from this, nor will they ever see it. If I truly believe there was a place to go to escape this madness we have allowed, I'd surely go, but I don't think the place exists here on earth.
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Obama and Carter's ban were not quite the same.
Obama and Carter's ban were not quite the same.
A lot to tackle here, and I'm 30 minutes removed from another spinal injection, so bear with me a little.
First off -- the "locked doors" analogy is personal. You guys are gonna wind up knowing my life story here soon. Damn. You're killing my plan to write a bio later in life. Growing up, our house was broken into routinely. Imagine, as a parent, your nine year old comes into your bedroom in the middle of the night and says "Mommy, the man is staring at me again." And, as any normal parent would do, you chalk it up to a nightmare and send your child back to bed....but then a few weeks later, you go up to the attic to find everything strategically placed...with a chair by the front window to watch for when you're home or not... Basically, a homeless man had been living in our attic...for how long, we have no idea. Or lets try another one -- 4am, you hear rattling in the kitchen...you yell out, thinking it's just your cat and dog fighting or something...you get up to check it out, and then you notice the basement door is wide open (a door that can only be unlocked from inside the house). Or how about another one...I am at home by myself, and by this point, am sleeping with a butcher knife under my pillow every night...and you hear the back door knob being turned...I yell out that they have 30 seconds to "get the F out" and then I go out, in the pitch dark and just start swinging...I lost count of how many boxes I hit with that knife...but the back door going out of the house was again wide open.
But let's not stop there -- just 2 years ago, I'm married with my own kids in a nice neighborhood. I go out to crank the car in the morning and there is a broken hammer head laying in our driveway -- and I start looking around the house and parts around our window that clearly had been attempted to be jarred open.
So...no offense here, and hopefully none taken, but I don't live out of fear...I'm just extremely aware and a naturally light sleeper. There is no part of my soul that is naive to the realities in our world, even if the vast majority of us do live that way. For me, having seen and gone through what I have, to do nothing would be reckless.
First off -- the "locked doors" analogy is personal. You guys are gonna wind up knowing my life story here soon. Damn. You're killing my plan to write a bio later in life. Growing up, our house was broken into routinely. Imagine, as a parent, your nine year old comes into your bedroom in the middle of the night and says "Mommy, the man is staring at me again." And, as any normal parent would do, you chalk it up to a nightmare and send your child back to bed....but then a few weeks later, you go up to the attic to find everything strategically placed...with a chair by the front window to watch for when you're home or not... Basically, a homeless man had been living in our attic...for how long, we have no idea. Or lets try another one -- 4am, you hear rattling in the kitchen...you yell out, thinking it's just your cat and dog fighting or something...you get up to check it out, and then you notice the basement door is wide open (a door that can only be unlocked from inside the house). Or how about another one...I am at home by myself, and by this point, am sleeping with a butcher knife under my pillow every night...and you hear the back door knob being turned...I yell out that they have 30 seconds to "get the F out" and then I go out, in the pitch dark and just start swinging...I lost count of how many boxes I hit with that knife...but the back door going out of the house was again wide open.
But let's not stop there -- just 2 years ago, I'm married with my own kids in a nice neighborhood. I go out to crank the car in the morning and there is a broken hammer head laying in our driveway -- and I start looking around the house and parts around our window that clearly had been attempted to be jarred open.
So...no offense here, and hopefully none taken, but I don't live out of fear...I'm just extremely aware and a naturally light sleeper. There is no part of my soul that is naive to the realities in our world, even if the vast majority of us do live that way. For me, having seen and gone through what I have, to do nothing would be reckless.
To go a step further -- in college at UNCW, my roommates for 3 years were marines from Camp LeJune...I was in college during 9/11, so following that event, all of my roommates were deployed to Iraq / Afghanistan. The stories you hear are just beyond horrific. How anyone would openly accept even the risk that those individuals ever set foot on our soil is completely beyond me.
But, forgetting that, they all said that what you and I get to hear reported on the news here is COMPLETELY different from the realities they faced there. You are buying into a false narrative and don't even know it.
But, forgetting that, they all said that what you and I get to hear reported on the news here is COMPLETELY different from the realities they faced there. You are buying into a false narrative and don't even know it.
Look, I know I come across as a fear-mongering asshole, but I don't GAF. I've seen a lot of sh*t, and rather than cower in fear, I have chosen to not put up with it. I would rather protect my family and piss off people than the reciprocal of that.
That explains a lot. Thank you. I'm really sorry to hear that you had those experiences.
You definitely live out of fear, but it's justified. It might help if you accept that. Fortunately, most of us don't have that experience/memory to deal with. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that, having had that experience, makes you a very objective person with these kinds of issues.
