Refugee Ban
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I'm not trying to say that these people lied to you- I'm sure they were telling you what they experienced. But you're taking what THEY experienced and applying it to your own already-fear-driven understanding and perception.
You're petrified of, basically, anything Muslim now. Their accounts of what THEY saw, and your experiences above, don't make for a very objective understanding. You're wracked in a fear of them.
I'm really glad you shared all of this above. Seriously, thank you.
I completely understand why you feel that way. While I've never experienced what you have and it is absolutely horrible to just know you went through it, I have other things that happened in my life that resulted in me handling things differently from others, so I get it.
You really are a strong man to have endured that. I too would be fearful I think. All I can say is always try to keep more love in your life and in your interactions and more and more will come. Love and peace to you.
This is not correct, actually. I am not petrified of anything or anyone. Contrary to what it may seem, I have never once referenced any muslim person or group on here -- ever. I went to a high school that was multi-national -- so I was in classes with kids from Germany, Iceland, Finland, Japan, and yes, even Arabic countries. I was good friends with basically everyone. What happened on 9/11 did not change that. For me, it is being aware of certain locations in the world, and it just so happens that these countries in the middle east are the breeding ground.
If you want my honest opinion, I think these terror cells do not give two shits about any religion or any nationality. They have an agenda to rise to power, and this is their method of doing it. Using "Islam" as a backbone to recruit is nothing more (IMO) than their propaganda tool. I truly do not think they give a damn about anything religious. I know this goes against what other Republicans say - even on here - but it's just my take. I think these are hateful individuals to their core.
But in terms of acceptance to this country -- you HAVE to be skeptical of anyone coming from those areas of the world. You just have to be. To ignore it and just open the floodgates is irrational and reckless.
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I'm hearing that this isnt a ban at all but rather an extra 90 days added to an already 120 day wait for visas from those countries. Is that correct?
Thanks. I know we all come to blows on here, but I genuinely think you guys mean well. For what it's worth.
I agree with this, but it's helpful to consider WHY they are hateful and vengeful. They aren't born that way.
From what you shared above, you describe someone who is very afraid. If you don't think you are, that's fine.
Not sure of the exact number of days, but it is temporary, with the exception of the Syrian refugee program which has stopped indefinitely. The issue that I and most others have is that the ban (or whatever you want to call it) applies to people who are already legal residents and have a green card.
Psycho-analyzing over a message board isn't the most effective, but I am empathetic to how you could come to that conclusion.
Just like most things in the world, I think the majority of their motivation is money and power. Their methods are just more ruthless than others without any regard to human conscience whatsoever.
So let me gets this straight...you believe that we should expect attacks and accept them because we are shutting down the borders? That we promoted the attacks on ourselves because we didn't let people into the country?
Your poasts have always been pretty moronic. But that's a whole new level of moronic, wrapped up with some anti-patriotism.
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It continues to amaze me how some people are so willing to let others harm them and walk all over them without attempting to do anything to prevent it. And when you do something to prevent it, they label that living in fear.
I'll start listening to folks whine about a refugee ban when those folks open up their homes and bank acounts to help said refugees. Until then, shut up. Care = action, in my world.
And for the record, we have a garage apartment and have had two different refugee families live there at different times over the last few years, until they could get "on their feet" and find a place to live. I still agree with this pause and (hopefully) improvement on the vetting process.
And for the record, we have a garage apartment and have had two different refugee families live there at different times over the last few years, until they could get "on their feet" and find a place to live. I still agree with this pause and (hopefully) improvement on the vetting process.
Thanks. From one moron to another, I do believe these sanctions will piss off the wrong group and they will come here hell or high water just to prove that they can. Call me a moron all you want, I do believe we will have repercussions from this.
Just to clarify: Are you saying that the "evil doers" wouldn't want to come here if we had open borders, but if we have some restrictions, they'll come here as a result (to show they can)?
Guess who just couldn't help himself?
http://www.wbtv.com/story/34380911/...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
http://www.wbtv.com/story/34380911/...al&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
I believe the San Bernadino terrorists left the country, became radicalized, and killed most of their co-workers because they were having a Christmas party...
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What it does is it singles-out a religion. That religion happens to be Muslim, and the countries happen to be countries that have a high concentration of Muslims. That marginalization (or discrimination if you're a potential jihadist) makes it easier to recruit people into their terrorist organizations. The more they recruit, the harder it is to overcome.
If the objective is to have fewer potential terrorists, this is not a good idea.
This is a surprise to no one. What's also not a surprise is Obama basically whoopin' it up with his praise for the protesters. Sure, he's not technically inciting riots. But you know these liberal goons. When Obama stated he's behind the protesters, what they heard was, "whoo-hoo, I got a free pass from Mybama to go out and wreck shit."
I told you all, this guy is like herpes - impossible to get rid of.
Little Chuckie "Cry Baby" Schumer didn't have a problem with Obama implementing a SIX MONTH BAN on refugees from IRAQ in 2011. Little Chuckie also said this in November 2015 with respect to a halt of Syrian refugees may be necessary after the Paris attacks happened that killed well over 100 innocent people.
From The Hill:
Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), the third ranking member of the Senate Democratic leadership, on Tuesday said it may be necessary to halt the resettlement of Syrian refugees in the United States.
Republicans immediately seized on Schumer’s comment, which breaks with other Democrats who have argued against halting the program.
Schumer, however, declined to take the option off the table ahead of a special briefing scheduled for Wednesday afternoon on the process that is now used to vet refugees entering the United States.
“We’re waiting for the briefing tomorrow, a pause may be necessary. We’re going to look at it,” he said…
…A spokeswoman for Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) highlighted Schumer’s statement as an example of “bipartisan concern” over refugees.
So, Little Chuckie's tears over the weekend were just fake, just as all the outrage (DEM flash mobs) is fake!
From The Hill:
Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.), the third ranking member of the Senate Democratic leadership, on Tuesday said it may be necessary to halt the resettlement of Syrian refugees in the United States.
Republicans immediately seized on Schumer’s comment, which breaks with other Democrats who have argued against halting the program.
Schumer, however, declined to take the option off the table ahead of a special briefing scheduled for Wednesday afternoon on the process that is now used to vet refugees entering the United States.
“We’re waiting for the briefing tomorrow, a pause may be necessary. We’re going to look at it,” he said…
…A spokeswoman for Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) highlighted Schumer’s statement as an example of “bipartisan concern” over refugees.
So, Little Chuckie's tears over the weekend were just fake, just as all the outrage (DEM flash mobs) is fake!
Over the last few days Democrats have been busy displaying there disgust with President Trump. They’ve attacked Trump supporters, rioted at airports, gone on strike in protest, and have called for President Trump’s assassination.
A brief history lesson will show that the Democrats blocked Vietnamese refugees, including orphans, when millions were trying to escape South Vietnam as it fell to the communists from the north. South Vietnam was our ally and we had little to nothing to fear from this group of people. The south Vietnamese weren’t beheading people, blowing themselves up, throwing homosexuals off buildings, and drowning people in steel cages.
As The Daily Caller reports, it was actually the Republicans who were leading the charge to help out the refugees.
From The Daily Caller:
They even opposed orphans.
The group, led by California’s Gov. Jerry Brown, included such liberal luminaries as Delaware’s Democratic Sen. Joe Biden, former presidential “peace candidate” George McGovern, and New York Congresswoman Elizabeth Holtzman.
The Los Angeles Times reported Brown even attempted to prevent planes carrying Vietnamese refugees from landing at Travis Air Force Base outside San Francisco. About 500 people were arriving each day and eventually 131,000 arrived in the United States between 1975 and 1977.
These people arrived despite protests from liberal Democrats. In 2015, the Los Angeles Times recounted Brown’s ugly attitude, reporting, “Brown has his own checkered history of demagoguery about refugees.”
On Sunday The Gateway Pundit published an article which highlighted how liberal Democrats put Japanese-American citizens in interment camps after just one attack.
A brief history lesson will show that the Democrats blocked Vietnamese refugees, including orphans, when millions were trying to escape South Vietnam as it fell to the communists from the north. South Vietnam was our ally and we had little to nothing to fear from this group of people. The south Vietnamese weren’t beheading people, blowing themselves up, throwing homosexuals off buildings, and drowning people in steel cages.
As The Daily Caller reports, it was actually the Republicans who were leading the charge to help out the refugees.
From The Daily Caller:
They even opposed orphans.
The group, led by California’s Gov. Jerry Brown, included such liberal luminaries as Delaware’s Democratic Sen. Joe Biden, former presidential “peace candidate” George McGovern, and New York Congresswoman Elizabeth Holtzman.
The Los Angeles Times reported Brown even attempted to prevent planes carrying Vietnamese refugees from landing at Travis Air Force Base outside San Francisco. About 500 people were arriving each day and eventually 131,000 arrived in the United States between 1975 and 1977.
These people arrived despite protests from liberal Democrats. In 2015, the Los Angeles Times recounted Brown’s ugly attitude, reporting, “Brown has his own checkered history of demagoguery about refugees.”
On Sunday The Gateway Pundit published an article which highlighted how liberal Democrats put Japanese-American citizens in interment camps after just one attack.
That doesn't really answer the question though. Would potential terrorists not want to come here if there were completely open borders, and they only want to come here because there are now restrictions that they want to show they can get past as was alluded to in Chicks poast?
The objective from a USA point of view (which is the point of view of this legislation) is to have fewer terrorists enacting damage in the USA. The objective is not to have fewer potential terrorists worldwide (although if they happen to be correlated, great). To simplify it, I think many would agree Americans are better off if there are 100 terrorists in the world, but none of them can get into the USA - than there being 20 terrorists in the world, but all of them can get into the USA.
okay, i'll bite...what exactly do you have a problem with re: his statements?...he's not inciting, as you probably reluctantly stated...he's also explaining the differences in his policy as opposed to trump's, which by the way, iirc, you weren't too familiar with just yesterday.
he's a former president, and just like i would expect him to do, he's defending what he believes are the rights of american citizens.
as far as sticking around, i'm pretty confident you appreciated bush and cheney sticking around...i'll let you characterize their virus.
Not sure how reliable wikipedia is, but it seems like right after the Obama inauguration he left DC and went back to Texas. I also don't remember him chiming in with his opinion on any Obama initiatives in his first week in office
so you guys don't recall cheney on fox news every weekend?...or the piece on bush at his ranch?...i recall them being asked and commenting multiple times on withdrawal vs occupancy.
i didn't care then and i don't care now as far it being a large deal...i always appreciate past presidents when they are given a chance to comment.
http://nchv.org/index.php/news/media/background_and_statistics/
Since not one of the bleeding hearts on this board addressed my comments...I will just share this here! So we have just shy of 40,000 homeless veterans in our country. We have over 500,000 people homeless in this country. We have close to 500,000 kids in foster care in this country. We can't take care of our own but the bleeding hearts are pissed because of a temporary ban on allowing immigrants come in? Just how much more ass backwards can this country become? I can promise you 100% that those idiot protesters drove by a homeless person on their way to protest the immigration issue...what a bunch of %&^*ing idiots!
Since not one of the bleeding hearts on this board addressed my comments...I will just share this here! So we have just shy of 40,000 homeless veterans in our country. We have over 500,000 people homeless in this country. We have close to 500,000 kids in foster care in this country. We can't take care of our own but the bleeding hearts are pissed because of a temporary ban on allowing immigrants come in? Just how much more ass backwards can this country become? I can promise you 100% that those idiot protesters drove by a homeless person on their way to protest the immigration issue...what a bunch of %&^*ing idiots!
I don't remember that, but I wasn't really looking for it then either, so maybe that's why.
I guess the difference is you say Bush was being asked something. If someone's asking, then sure, give your opinion. Obama's spokesman issued his opinion unprovoked.
Before you accuse bleeding hearts of not caring about those people suffering like that here, go look up WHY they are not helped. Look up how Congress voted on bills to help them, then tell me who didn't care enough to help.
The border status isn't really going to deter someone who is determined to commit an act of terror, if they want to bad enough.
Well, whatever the "objective" may be, it will have unintended consequences. When you restrict/discriminate against people based on their heritage, religion, or similar variable, you're going to get a negative reaction for the simple reason that it IS discriminatory. It's punishing people who are innocent because of a few who "might be" guilty. Not to mention, it can also increase the potential of pissing off people who already live here... which is exactly what it has done! It's very similar to refusing Jews who tried to immigrate here before WWII, and sticking Japanese-descent people into internment camps who had done nothing wrong.
I thought we already established that helping people who are homeless only makes them dependent on you. It was almost unanimous that giving panhandlers money was merely enabling their scam. I am guilty of enabling their scam because I do give them money.
Whoever said that we should ignore those who are homeless and needy here at home just because we see another injustice being done with this executive order?
Maybe instead of criticizing protesters, you could go be more proactive and actually help the homeless instead of trying to invent something that doesn't exist so you can feel like you scored some political points in your own mind.
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Obama's feelings are hurt. His entire legacy is being dismantled in front of his very eyes in the first couple of weeks of Trump's presidency. He must really be hurting. Poor little Obama, maybe he'll step up to microphone and start crying...
if by legacy you mean the aca, perhaps...i hope everyone can benefit from a plan.
Nope, it's everything he ever work for, demagogued for, wasted every one's time for. He never bothered to work with Congress on anything and opted to use a pen and a phone instead of codifying his legacy in sustainable, lasting legislation crafted on a bi-partisan basis... He will know that everything that spawned from his empty-suit administration will die very quickly.
If they are really so hot to trot to come here and live peacefully then they should be more than willing to take one for the team, don't you think?
sorry you feel that way...you see it through your eyes and through your convictions, though...just because you believe it, it doesn't make it so.
i do have to ask, do you think he got any help?...do you think anyone tried to work with him?
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