So United Airlines is off to a great week
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Two, right? I saw two on the video, but I'll admit I skipped ahead to the part where he's actually getting dragged.
I don't know the answer either, but you've made my point. Nobody was paying attention to the race of the officers, nor should they. It's irrelevant. Calling attention to it is as ridiculous as those who claimed the passenger was being assaulted because he was an Asian-American.
Maybe I should have asked you what you meant when you said the media didn't blame the officers. Because they wholly blamed United? Without knowing for certain, I'd guess most people assumed the officers were United employees when the news first broke. It wasn't until subsequent versions of the story that they were reported to be employees of the City of Chicago (Department of Aviation).
Because it's a pretty notable omission of coverage in my opinion. For the past 2+ years, it's been nonstop media blaming of police officers in every incident, including doing so before the media grasps all the facts.
It's just unusual to me that in this instance, basically nothing at all has been said about the conduct of the aviation officers (not police, technically, but it's still low-hanging fruit for media). United is getting slammed, which they should, but I haven't seen anyone criticize the conduct of the officers, specifically. I could've missed it for sure, though.
Okay, I think I understand better now. Blaming United for excessive use of force is sort of like blaming an entire police department for the same thing, right? You're just noting the inconsistency in coverage. Interesting observation.
Maybe United is taking the brunt of it because they're the epitome of a big, bad corporation. Or maybe it's because United escalated the situation by calling in the officers. Or maybe it's because we're unaccustomed to seeing force used against defiant airline passengers while we're less shocked to see police doing the same thing in the line of duty. That last point would actually suggest MORE criticism against the airline officers, though. I dunno.
Sorta, but still not exactly. There's three parties that shoulder blame in this ordeal: United, the doctor, and the specific 2-3 aviation officers who carried out the removal from the plane.
A lot has been written about the first two parties and varying levels of blame have been attributed to those two parties by the media, but I have yet to see the media pen/report something that condemns the violent removal and specifically attributes the violence to the Chicago city employees.
It's just interesting to me that the media hasn't run with that angle because those aviation officers may as well be police officers as far as technicalities are concerned. They're both figures of authority and they're both employees of a city, town, or municipality. And yet, the conduct of the officers, i.e. beating the shit out of someone while removing him from an airplane, really hasn't been discussed much. Which is weird since the media has incessantly pinned the blame squarely on police in all police shootings, even in ones where it's completely the civilian's fault.
Therefore, my hypothesis of why this is the case, is because the security guys were (probably) black. Or, alternatively, because the victim was not black.
Sort of (I think). Blaming an entire police department for the actions of one officer is wrong, but at least it's closer to being right than blaming the airline for the actions of officers, because at least in the department-wide case it's an employee of the department that committed the act. So they can somewhat be considered a representative of the department as a whole.
But this is the airline calling in outside officers, not their own officers. So they deserve some heat for escalating it to that point, but I'm not sure they deserve the heat for what the outside organization did. This would be like if some high schooler wouldn't leave his seat in a classroom even when he should have gone home or to another class or whatever, the school calling in the local cops, and the local cops beating the shit out of the kid. The media outcry would almost certainly be on the police in that situation (not on the school for calling in the police). I'm just not sure why the officers have gotten a pass in this case.
Yes ^ your poast and mine immediately preceding it are good explanations of the point I was trying to get across.
United staying in the news for the wrong reasons. Apparently a 10 month old giant rabbit that was expected to become the largest rabbit in the world once fully grown, and that had just gotten a checkup from a vet, died mysteriously on a flight to its new owner.
http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2017/...s-biggest-dies-on-united-airlines-flight.html
http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2017/...s-biggest-dies-on-united-airlines-flight.html
Is this where I make a bad joke about it being at O'Hare airport?United staying in the news for the wrong reasons. Apparently a 10 month old giant rabbit that was expected to become the largest rabbit in the world once fully grown, and that had just gotten a checkup from a vet, died mysteriously on a flight to its new owner.
http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2017/...s-biggest-dies-on-united-airlines-flight.html
Here's another one from United. A woman who only spoke French didn't realize her gate was switched and instead of going Newark to Paris ended up going Newark to San Francisco.
The woman isn't completely free from blame, but the brunt of this one is on the airline. How do you scan someones boarding pass for the wrong flight and still let them on? And then when someone was in her seat - the flight attendant didn't pick up on the problem and just told her to take a different seat.
http://abc7ny.com/travel/united-passengers-7-hour-flight-turned-into-28-hour-nightmare-/1949824/
The woman isn't completely free from blame, but the brunt of this one is on the airline. How do you scan someones boarding pass for the wrong flight and still let them on? And then when someone was in her seat - the flight attendant didn't pick up on the problem and just told her to take a different seat.
http://abc7ny.com/travel/united-passengers-7-hour-flight-turned-into-28-hour-nightmare-/1949824/
I don't have much of a problem with this one.
While it's admittedly a little silly to not be able to use a seat you've paid for any way you like, it's pretty well understood at this point that tickets are issued to one traveller and are non-transferrable. You can't buy three seats and stretch across them, you can't send somebody else to use your ticket, etc. Those days are gone.
I can sympathize with what this guy was trying to do, ie. not having to hold a toddler in his lap the whole flight, but if the ticket was purchased for another family member who didn't end up on that flight it's an open seat as far as the airline is concerned.
I think Delta should have refunded the money for that seat to the family though if they're gonna re-sell it.
And paid for their hotel that night. I agree that, based on the rule, he couldn't transfer that seat to his other son. BUT the airline did let them through security with the car seat and with a name that didn't match the seat that was purchased, AFTER letting them travel to Hawaii with the baby in a seat by itself. So you can't blame the family for assuming the same could be done on the return trip - especially after they're boarded and seated.
Same. Well that and all my vacation spots are within a 300 mile radius of my house.
LOL. You can't make this stuff up.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/i-had-to-pee-in-a-cup-on-a-united-airlines-flight-mom-says/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/i-had-to-pee-in-a-cup-on-a-united-airlines-flight-mom-says/
Damn, was just coming here to poast this.
I'm somewhat torn on this one. They can't go making exceptions to the rules for every little thing that someone might have. At some point, people need to be able to operate under the rules in place, or not put themselves in situations where they can't. Like if I have a bum knee/back that causes me to need to stand every 60 seconds, then I shouldn't expect to be accommodated on a flight that requires passengers stay seated for several minutes at a time.
On the other hand - the rules/regulations especially on airplanes are so rigid and overstep what is necessary. It seems like they define the "landing" process as anytime within 15 minutes of when you'll actually touch the ground. I get you don't want people to be unbuckled in the bathroom when the plane actually touches down because they could be hurt. But in the couple minutes before they touch down it'd be perfectly fine. Flight attendents should be given a little leeway to make a judgement call on things like this where common sense would have prevailed.
All that said - if I could get away with pissing in a cup in my seat, without getting slapped with public indecency/lewdness charges and getting put on a sex offender list, I'd take that option over using the lavatories on there anyways.
By the way, all of these stupid rules are the airlines (and other companies) covering their asses to prevent lawsuits. This is a product of our "sue everyone for everything" culture. The airline wouldn't give a shit if you were in the bathroom during landing if they wouldn't be dragged to court on a mutli-million dollar lawsuit if you bumped your head because you weren't properly seated.
May as well just call it THN nip because you know how strongly I feel about this shit.
I could never be a judge. If I was hearing a case where someone sued a bar for the drunk driver's actions or something like that, I'd walk down off the pulpit and smack the hell out of the suing party.
I was already on it. My senses were tingling.
I couldn't think of the name. Throne? Bench? I try to avoid court rooms. I've only ever been in one and it was on a field trip.
I'm forrealz forreal. Never been in one where I was involved in the proceedings *knock on wood*
I was in the CH one for a fuggin' drinking ticket. Which by the way, was something I didn't even know existed before I got it. In MA they either just confiscate the beer or make you pour it out... or they arrest you and charge you with underage consumption of alcohol. No middle ground like the ticket.
One mom, two cups?
