Thread about Running
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I don't know about Adidas running shoes, but their basketball shoes are straight up trash. It's so bad I wouldn't even try one of their running shoes.
Personally I think the best road running shoes are Brooks, and my favorite trail shoes are Hokas, especially for the really long ultra stuff because they have so much cushioning.
they’re not adidas...that’s what i’ve been in for years.
this is the swiss shoe:
https://www.on-running.com/en-us/
I've seen a lot of people going to Hokas, people of all sizes and abilities. They look a little odd, but seem to work.
I am partial to Salomon for on and off road.
I am partial to Salomon for on and off road.
Just ran a 5k. Super dissappointed in myself. Went out way too fast with the high school cross country guys (around 5:30/mile pace) without realizing how fast we were moving. Totally blew up but held on to at least finish but my average pace dropped to 7:08 / mile.
Wanted to break 20 minutes today which would’ve been good enough for 2nd overall, but at least I learned a valuable lesson.
Also, the overall winner was a 14 year old kid who ran 18:20
Wanted to break 20 minutes today which would’ve been good enough for 2nd overall, but at least I learned a valuable lesson.
Also, the overall winner was a 14 year old kid who ran 18:20
I also just ran a 5K, but I ran my yesterday. But when I say I ran a 5K, I mean I just ran 3.1 miles on my own. High school is finally out here so I can go run on the track again. I was going for completion more so than time because I'm still working my way up to being comfortable running 3+ miles at a clip again. Typically, I've been doing about 2.6 mile runs.
Anyway, I chose to run at the absolute hottest part of the day because I'm dumb lol, and even though I had hydrated plenty, I started getting the fuzzy vision / "omg I might black out" type vibes toward the end lol.
Like I said, wasn't going for time, but I ran it in 26:26. 8:30 mile pace seems to be my "comfort pace." Whenever I'm just trying to jog and not worry about speed/time, it never fails that I automatically end up at an 8:30 pace. I still want to eventually get down to a 20:00 5K, but I just do not know how to attack it. Both the distance and the speed seem too much for me right now, and I've been running regularly since like February. Like If I tried to jump up to like a 7:10 pace, just to get *remotely* close to a 20:00 time, I wouldn't even make it 1.5 miles.
I'll keep working at it though.
ETA: Maybe I should just run at the required 6:45 pace and see how many laps I can do at that pace, and then in all subsequent runs, keep that pace, but gradually add another lap until I can get to 2 miles at that pace, and then 3.
You need to do interval training to build up the speed. And do it way faster than target race pace. Try to do 400 meter repeats at 6:00/mile pace. If that’s too fast back off a little and give yourself more rest in between reps. Eventually you build up the number of reps and the distance. You need to be able to do 3x1600 at target race pace before you’ll be able to do a 5k at that same pace.
You have to get your muscles and your nervous system adapted to running fast so that your cardiovascular system doesn’t have to do as much work to move at any given pace.
Then comes the real shitty part. Tempo long runs for the lactic acid resistance and cardiovascular efficiency. Push yourself a little beyond that comfort threshold and just hang on for as long as you can. You’ll find that speed work dramatically improves the long run pace
There was once a time where I knew all of that lingo, but for me, high school cross country practice was 11 years ago haha. Can you provide clarification on the following:
By this, you mean run a 400 at the required pace, and then how long do I rest in between? Isn't it something crazy like only a minute? Good tip on running faster than required pace during training though.
I'm confused by this. How is a 3x1600 any different than a 5K? I must be interpreting 3x1600 wrong. I read that as "three miles."
What would be an example of a tempo long run? Are we talking like longer than a 5K and trying to hit some type of aggressive pace while doing so?
Also, should I do this in like a checklist order? Like get comfortable with the speed interval work and then move on to tempo long runs? Or kinda mix and match throughout.
Ah my bad.
Honesty I would give yourself as much rest as you need. Sometimes I’ll take five minutes between reps if that’s what it takes. I want my legs to do the work not my heart and lungs.
3 x 1600 meaning 3, 1600 repeats. So a mile three times with rest in between, as opposed to doing it straight through like you would on race day.
For the tempo run you can kinda base it on what you’re already doing. Try to build on your distance while still moving quick enough to get some aerobic benefit. You don’t want to be so aggressive that it feels like a race effort but maybe try to build up to 5 miles at 7:30-7:45 pace. If you’re sticking to the 5k then I don’t see much need for going any longer than about 5 miles.
If you enjoy those 8:30 miles and feel like you could build up the distance, then ultra running could be more in your wheelhouse. Easier pace, walk breaks any time you want, and the real challenge is just getting to the finish line. Best part is, you can drink as much beer and eat as much food as you can stand after the race!
Another tempo run trick is to do “fartleks” where you speed up for short periods of time in the middle of your run.
Doing those saved me today because I was deep in the pain cave by the 1 mile mark
Doing those saved me today because I was deep in the pain cave by the 1 mile mark
Gotta bring the running thread back to life for western states today. Oldest 100 mile foot race in the world.
This is my #1 bucket list race
This is my #1 bucket list race
Want to feel lazy?
Jim Walmsley is currently on pace to break the course record at Western States. He just rolled through the 65.7 mile aid station in 9:27:00. Roughly 8:36 minutes per mile average, and its nowhere near a flat course.
Jim Walmsley is currently on pace to break the course record at Western States. He just rolled through the 65.7 mile aid station in 9:27:00. Roughly 8:36 minutes per mile average, and its nowhere near a flat course.
I saw that temp were in the 100s on the course.
He beat my 2014 time by ten hours (!) I finished around 4:40 a.m. to deserted streets and a sparsley populated stadium. LOL.
I went and walked with my wife today at this track around a pond and then down by one of our rivers here. We apparently walked 3,353 steps. That was also after I played 18 holes of golf a few hours prior. Sitting on the couch drinking now to reward myself.
That’s awesome that you got to run it. That’s my bucket list race haha
It was insanely hot, supposedly it got up to 105 near the Rucky chucky river crossing
I’m hoping to qualify for the lottery later this year at Pinhoti 100 if I can stay healthy.
I hope you get in. It took me four years of the lottery to make it. Good luck at Pinhoti!
I’m anticipating it taking a few years since there’s not much chance of getting in on one ticket. I figured I might as well start qualifying for the lottery and working on nailing the distance so that I would be as prepared as possible if/when my name gets called.
I almost feel crazy just thinking about it. But the sooner I get my name in the hat, the sooner I can get a decent ticket count that might actually get me in.
Thank you! I will definitley need it lol
I will weigh in here - I don't usually post on OOTB, sometimes on THR - and maybe the one thing I am as passionate about as UNC college basketball - is distance running (though I got hooked on running late in life).... plus I agree with having something we can discuss that isn't political tribalism "how can I hate, humiliate, kill my enemy opponent" - too toxic.
Anyway, I am fifty years old now, and I've run 109 half marathons (13.1 miles) within the last ten years - including all fifty states and DC, and five countries (US, Canada, Mexico, Jamaica, Ireland). My North Carolina race was at Outer Banks - beautiful, but I was sick before and during that race.
My half marathon personal record (PR) was just last year, at age 50. I ran a 1:27:28 which is a 6:41 minutes per mile pace.
I've done only 6 full marathons including Boston twice. This year Boston -2018 was an adventure. 35 degrees and 20-30 MPH winds and heavy rain all day long. I ran a 3:19. I was very happy with this.
My marathon PR is 3:05:45, (7:07 pace) at age 47, I'm proof so you can achieve relative speed at an older age, and with few physical athletic gifts.... but it takes a LOT of time and dedication and training and work (like what the Heel and UNCBoy10 have described above). Lots of hours of running per week, and a lot of dedication and sacrifice regarding what you do or don't eat, drink, etc. I average 40-50 miles per week, with peak mileage week being around 65 miles per week for me for marathon training.
My next goal is to finish the Abbot-sponsored 6 World Major Marathons. I've run Chicago and Boston, and will do Berlin full and NYC full both this fall. I hope to do London next spring, then only Tokyo remains.
I also have a goal of going under 3 hours for a marathon, but wow is that a tough goal for my age and size (around 158 pounds) - and the weather and course would have to be perfect, too.
I personally love, and have had most success with Asics running shoes, and also Hokas recently. So I alternate wearing Asics Kayano and Hoka One One Arahi models during same training phases. Both are stability shoes for pronators like me.
The stuff UNCBOY10 posted about Barkley marathons - I've just read a bit about them in a recent issue of Runner's World. People may think all distance runners are crazy - but the Barkley competitors are literally certifiably insane, in my opinion. Just over the top obsessed with self torture. They risk their lives to go through hell on their bodies and minds, for a couple days at least, knowing likely you have nothing to show for it in the end.
Anyway, I am fifty years old now, and I've run 109 half marathons (13.1 miles) within the last ten years - including all fifty states and DC, and five countries (US, Canada, Mexico, Jamaica, Ireland). My North Carolina race was at Outer Banks - beautiful, but I was sick before and during that race.
My half marathon personal record (PR) was just last year, at age 50. I ran a 1:27:28 which is a 6:41 minutes per mile pace.
I've done only 6 full marathons including Boston twice. This year Boston -2018 was an adventure. 35 degrees and 20-30 MPH winds and heavy rain all day long. I ran a 3:19. I was very happy with this.
My marathon PR is 3:05:45, (7:07 pace) at age 47, I'm proof so you can achieve relative speed at an older age, and with few physical athletic gifts.... but it takes a LOT of time and dedication and training and work (like what the Heel and UNCBoy10 have described above). Lots of hours of running per week, and a lot of dedication and sacrifice regarding what you do or don't eat, drink, etc. I average 40-50 miles per week, with peak mileage week being around 65 miles per week for me for marathon training.
My next goal is to finish the Abbot-sponsored 6 World Major Marathons. I've run Chicago and Boston, and will do Berlin full and NYC full both this fall. I hope to do London next spring, then only Tokyo remains.
I also have a goal of going under 3 hours for a marathon, but wow is that a tough goal for my age and size (around 158 pounds) - and the weather and course would have to be perfect, too.
I personally love, and have had most success with Asics running shoes, and also Hokas recently. So I alternate wearing Asics Kayano and Hoka One One Arahi models during same training phases. Both are stability shoes for pronators like me.
The stuff UNCBOY10 posted about Barkley marathons - I've just read a bit about them in a recent issue of Runner's World. People may think all distance runners are crazy - but the Barkley competitors are literally certifiably insane, in my opinion. Just over the top obsessed with self torture. They risk their lives to go through hell on their bodies and minds, for a couple days at least, knowing likely you have nothing to show for it in the end.
Wow those times are impressive... do you have a track and/or cross country background?
On the Barkley issue, technically they are risking their lives but nobody has ever had to be rescued. Laz is EXTREMELY selective about who gets in the race, and they are all very experienced trail runners and mountaineers that could keep themselves alive if they got lost in the woods.
Part of it is self torture for sure lol, but the main idea of the race is to challenge yourself to the point that you will almost certainly fail. So that you learn about yourself and if you do succeed... it will be a legendary effort.
the barkley marathon is on netflix, have watched it three times...each time i gain some insight into the experience and the extra something you have to have to even enter.
at any rate, totally up for the ootb run on strava...i’m getting back in it, but i also am doing other strength based exercises, so i have to really be cautious.
the guy that lives behind me that i spoke about, running is now ruining his marriage i believe...he drives miles to “get away to run” he tells me.
at any rate, totally up for the ootb run on strava...i’m getting back in it, but i also am doing other strength based exercises, so i have to really be cautious.
the guy that lives behind me that i spoke about, running is now ruining his marriage i believe...he drives miles to “get away to run” he tells me.
Check out “Where Dreams Go to Die” on Netflix. It’s an amazing documentary about Gary Robbins attempting Barkley. The training alone will blow your mind
There’s also a really awesome documentary that is only 40 minutes long about Karl Meltzer breaking the AT record.
I'm approaching 50 and thinking of some sort of goal for that year. Right now it's to run the Going to the Sun Highway in Glacier National Park, but part of me wants to try to go sub-3 in a marathon again. That was the last time I seriously trained and I really didn't enjoy the training part. I don't mind running hard trails, etc... but one-mile repeats threatened to end me both mentally and physically. I know I couldn't do it right now since I've gotten so used to running longer and slower that. I'd just have to commit to putting in the work. I go against the grain of most people and only average 30-35/week though sometimes if I have a long weekend race or run, that can jump up to 80-100+ for the week.
I moved into trail ultras because I liked the people, the adventure, and the challenge. During marathons and shorter, I almost never fell in with another runner and held a conversation. I've gone 20+ miles in ultras talking to someone I just met that day. I've also gone 20+ miles totally alone with no one visible ahead or behind me (not to say I was winning, of course.) The one thing that I have to explain to people, though, is that not many people, myself included, are actually running the entire distance. There is a lot of walking involved--especially with big hills.
I've never been drawn to the Barkleys, though. I just felt like they were too random and a little sadistic--like you're being toyed with by Laz. I just want to go spend some time in the woods, see a few great views, and have some fun.
You might like Unbreakable, about the Western States 100 a few years back. Four runners who had never lost at the 100-mile distance were competing. It follows them before and during the race. Each has his own personality and you might find yourself rooting for one of them.
Didn't run track or cross country in high school. Just got into casual running with some local friends, and those friendships, which are now like family members, got me into running more. Then it led to having run friends that would get together and run together in every state in the union. Just lots of fun, and great people, and excellent ways to see / visit all the states. Some of the people you meet are pretty cool, too.... Meb Keflezighi (sp?); Dean Karnazes, Ryan and Sara Hall, Bill Rogers, etc. - plus a bunch of current fast, famous marathoners.
What’s your 5k PR? Just curious, because anyone who can go sub 3 has to be pretty fast IMO
Thanks - but I've been so focused on refining my half marathon and marathon times, I haven't really raced a 5K for quite a few years. So - I think my 5K PR is like 20:27 from like ten years ago, which isn't that fast. I'm guessing I could go under 20 minutes now, if I trained for it, and race conditions were right. I guess that is like a 6:27 pace.
I did run a 5:42 mile a few years ago in a mile race in Hawaii, (as part of a larger vacation and an additional half marathon race there). That is my mile PR. Not sure if I can approach that again. Father Time competes against us all, and always wins in the end.
What are your PRs?
About the same as yours, but like you I haven’t been focused on racing 5ks or the mile.
I would imagine you could crush 20 minutes if you trained for it. If you can run 26.2 miles at 6:50, it seems like that would be a lot harder than 5k at 6:26 or faster.
Sounds like I need to start doing 1600 meter repeats /: lol
Well - I haven't run a full marathon at 6:50 - only 7:07 for my pr of 3:05:45.... but I'd like to see what I can do this fall.
Berlin marathon is a great course for a PR - most world records have been set on that flat, fast course, but it could be relatively warm (for me) in mid- Sept. NYC weather (Nov 4) will be much cooler, but that full marathon course is quite tough with a lot of fairly decent hills and bridges to navigate.
If you've heard of Yasso 800s - devised by strong runner Bart Yasso - they have been a really good workout for me AND a good predictor of my marathon finish time. It is worth learning more about Yasso 800s, if you aren't familiar with them.
Good luck on your continued training and achievement of goals.
Oh right, I think I mixed up you and What the Heel's poasts. That's still a really fast marathon time. I've heard that Berlin is a fast course, and that Kipchoge may go after the WR there. Would be great to see him chase 1:59:59 in an actual competitive race.
I haven't heard of Yasso 800's but I will definitely look it up.
And thanks, same to you!
Yes! I would recommend pretty much all of the race films by the ginger runner. And if you want to dive super deep, Gary Robbins has most of his training posted on YouTube, and there are a few podcasts from ginger runner live where they go super in depth on the race and his approach to training.
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