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I'm going to need to use a roster lineup card to watch the games this year. Talk about a large make over. With the present state of NCAA rules this is going to be the norm for some time. The smartest guy in the room is Roy for seeing the writing on the wall. That being said, I think the Tar Heels are going to be very competitive.
 
Yeah but nobody plays more
than 8-10 players anymore. Somebody shared the 1991 ACCT championship game last night, maybe Fla Heel. I watched a lot of it.
Dean played Chillcutt, Lynch, Montrose and even Rozier in his rotation that day.
And we still had two 7 footers on the bench that did not play in Salvadori and Wendstum. Both played in the NBA for a bit by the way
Times have changed, I don't see elite teams using the 13 scholarships anymore unless something changes again.
I don't get this idea. We had 13 scholarship players last season and so did a bunch of top teams. Many players aren't ready to play right away, plus there are injuries, so if you want 7-8 contributors you need more players than that. I'd bet a lot that colleges continue to fill out their squads.

Furthermore, I'm talking about adding a high quality SF. What difference does it make if we play 13 guys or not? You shouldn't turn down a top player because you have Paxson Wojcik on the team; that'd be totally backwards.
 
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I don't get this idea. We had 13 scholarship players last season and so did a bunch of top teams. Many players aren't ready to play right away, plus there are injuries, so if you want 7-8 contributors you need more players than that. I'd bet a lot that colleges continue to fill out their squads.

Furthermore, I'm talking about adding a high quality SF. What difference does it make if we play 13 guys or not? You shouldn't turn down a top player because you have Paxson Wojcik on the team; that'd be totally backwards.
Well side note, I think the scholarship limit was 15 in 1991. There was no 1 and done and society was different.
I have not argued one time that Hubert Davis or name any coach would not TRY to get 13 scholarship players, I said doing so will now be difficult. Portal players are NOT coming in to be the 11-13 players.
The bench players each year will either leave for greener pastures or they will be secure that they have a secured rotation spot. Those last few spots on a roster will need to be special circumstances in order to fill it with a Scholls player. i.e. Shaver last season.
 
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Well side note, I think the scholarship limit was 15 in 1991. There was no 1 and done and society was different.
I have not argued one time that Hubert Davis or name any coach would not TRY to get 13 scholarship players, I said doing so will now be difficult. Portal players are NOT coming in to be the 11-13 players.
The bench players each year will either leave for greener pastures or they will be secure that they have a secured rotation spot. Those last few spots on a roster will need to be special circumstances in order to fill it with a Scholls player. i.e. Shaver last season.
Funny thing is a lot of guys would come to UNC if they felt they had a great chance of getting a ring. Realize how many great talents come to the college game and never get a ring, very few even get the chance to play for a ring. 30 years from now, a kid like Wojik if he is able to just be on a natty winning team, can show that grandson his ring and tell him, I was a part of that. It does not matter if you are the last guy on blue steel, the real chance to get that ring means a double ton!
 
Funny thing is a lot of guys would come to UNC if they felt they had a great chance of getting a ring. Realize how many great talents come to the college game and never get a ring, very few even get the chance to play for a ring. 30 years from now, a kid like Wojik if he is able to just be on a natty winning team, can show that grandson his ring and tell him, I was a part of that. It does not matter if you are the last guy on blue steel, the real chance to get that ring means a double ton!
I think it means more to you and me than it does to today's players. Wojcik I think could be an exception, but he we is rare.
I think he is gonna get decent run too for the 9th guy in rotation maybe?
 
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I think it means more to you and me than it does to today's players. Wojcik I think could be an exception, but he we is rare.
I think he is gonna get decent run too for the 9th guy in rotation maybe?
It does today wiz, but come the time when they have grandsons that they tell about the days of their youth, well then that ring means more than can ever be stated. I have a buddy that played for Memphis in football. He told his sons about his glory days, yeah yeah pops, what ever. But he took them to his old high school, he showed them the trophy case, that was when his kids realized, daddy was special in his day. Can you imagine showing your grand son YOUR NCAA National championship ring, can you just imagine that moment... Most of us have to imagine it, a very select few have that as their reality.
 
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Well side note, I think the scholarship limit was 15 in 1991. There was no 1 and done and society was different.
I have not argued one time that Hubert Davis or name any coach would not TRY to get 13 scholarship players, I said doing so will now be difficult. Portal players are NOT coming in to be the 11-13 players.
The bench players each year will either leave for greener pastures or they will be secure that they have a secured rotation spot. Those last few spots on a roster will need to be special circumstances in order to fill it with a Scholls player. i.e. Shaver last season.
I don't think I agree. I don't expect it to be all that difficult at least.

I think Wojcik knows he may only get 5-10 minutes a game. I also think both High and Dunlap know they'd get <5 minutes a game. So that's 3 backend spots.

Don't need to overcorrect to our recent transfers. We'll continue to add system guys e.g., Dunlap, Huffman, Manley, Maye, Platek, Stillman White and have 12-13 scholarship players a year IMO. And should never be turning down top talent bc of playing time worries. If Trey Alexander wants to come let's find room for him.
 
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I don't think I agree. I don't expect it to be all that difficult at least.

I think Wojcik knows he may only get 5-10 minutes a game. I also think both High and Dunlap know they'd get <5 minutes a game. So that's 3 backend spots.

Don't need to overcorrect to our recent transfers. We'll continue to add system guys e.g., Dunlap, Huffman, Manley, Maye, Platek, Stillman White and have 12-13 scholarship players a year IMO. And should never be turning down top talent bc of playing time worries. If Trey Alexander wants to come let's find room for him.
IF Trey Alexander wants to come? You just made my point for me Gaucho.
GUYS. LIKE. HIM . WONT Come unless they are gonna play a big role, then if he does other leave. Supply and demand
 
I can't imagine we'd still take Dunlap at this point.
We have two scholarships left. I get the strong feeling one is for Cadeau. Other than Ian Jackson, I don't know that I would want to risk losing any current Tar Heels to the portal by bringing in it someone fighting for minutes with the Heels we've got.
 
We have two scholarships left. I get the strong feeling one is for Cadeau. Other than Ian Jackson, I don't know that I would want to risk losing any current Tar Heels to the portal by bringing in it someone fighting for minutes with the Heels we've got.
We need forwards, I think that is pretty clear. Will be surprised if we don't go after someone, especially if someone clearly talented enters the portal.
 
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We need forwards, I think that is pretty clear. Will be surprised if we don't go after someone, especially if someone clearly talented enters the portal.
We picked up 2 comboforwards (Ingram, Withers), we're adding a forward from the recruiting class (High,) and we picked up two 6'5" wings who can play the SF position (Ryan, Wojcik.)

We just ended our recruitment of forward Matt Cleveland bc Ingram committed.
 
Kinda surprised with the type of schools interested in Puff. Visiting Butler and Penn State, ok?
 
Kinda surprised with the type of schools interested in Puff. Visiting Butler and Penn State, ok?
Is Pitt even recruiting him? With his family history with the school, and Capel's love of big forwards, I would have thought they would be all over him.
 
We picked up 2 comboforwards (Ingram, Withers), we're adding a forward from the recruiting class (High,) and we picked up two 6'5" wings who can play the SF position (Ryan, Wojcik.)

We just ended our recruitment of forward Matt Cleveland bc Ingram committed.
I'm still not sure who starts at SF. Ryan could if we add Cadeau, but I don't think it's an ideal fit. Maybe overoptimistic thinking on my part, but I think we need one more guy.

I wouldn't take Cleveland; need a better shooter.
 
I'm still not sure who starts at SF. Ryan could if we add Cadeau, but I don't think it's an ideal fit. Maybe overoptimistic thinking on my part, but I think we need one more guy.

I wouldn't take Cleveland; need a better shooter.
Jackson? Mgbako?

My understanding is that part of the appeal of Ingram is that he could play three or four. Withers good play four or five and Ryan can play two or three. Those guys give Hubert a ton of flexibility.

I am of the opinion that Cadeau has already told Hubert he is coming. That would move RJ to the two and Ryan more towards the three.

I think the next guy we add might lead to another portal entry from our original guys.
 
Jackson? Mgbako?

My understanding is that part of the appeal of Ingram is that he could play three or four. Withers good play four or five and Ryan can play two or three. Those guys give Hubert a ton of flexibility.

I am of the opinion that Cadeau has already told Hubert he is coming. That would move RJ to the two and Ryan more towards the three.

I think the next guy we add might lead to another portal entry from our original guys.
Yes I agree with all of this. If we add Jackson or Mgbako, we'd be set. I just don't think we can have Ingram and Withers as our only two forwards.

I'd consider High a 5 for this year, or really mostly we shouldn't consider him as he probably isn't ready to contribute. I also think Washington is a 5. Ryan and Wojcik can both passably play the 3, but both are a bit undersized.

If we start Ryan at 3 and Ingram at 4, Withers is the only guy that can realistically play many backup minutes. If we start both Ingram and Withers, then we don't really have a backup except sliding Ryan / Wojcik up. Any injury or foul trouble and we're really thin at forward.

I think the ideal roster still looks like this:

20+ minute guys: Cadeau, Davis, Ryan, Ingram, Bacot, wing (could be a transfer, Jackson, Mgbako, etc)
10-20 minute guys: Withers, Wilcher, Washington
Deeper bench: Wojcik, Dunn, Trimble, High
 
Jackson? Mgbako?

My understanding is that part of the appeal of Ingram is that he could play three or four. Withers good play four or five and Ryan can play two or three. Those guys give Hubert a ton of flexibility.

I am of the opinion that Cadeau has already told Hubert he is coming. That would move RJ to the two and Ryan more towards the three.

I think the next guy we add might lead to another portal entry from our original guys.

I agree about Cadeau’s “silent verbal” 🙄. We could add someone else but if Cadeau reclassifies, I don’t think we need anyone else to at least be a S16 team. He would make everyone better, including RJ. I do believe he will start at PG immediately upon arrival.
 
I still think RJ and Bacot are going to play 30 minutes. If one of the additions can step up they will as well.

If Cadeau comes I think there is the core 3. They will get 30 a game by ACC time. Ryan/ Dunn/Wilcher/ Trimble/Ingram will vie for the additional wing minutes. Washington/ Withers/ Ingram the 4/ 5 minutes left.

They are not going to play 10-11 deep consistently, not going to happen. Crazy competition for the minutes left with the rosters makeup ( practices should be intense). Wojcik seems like a practice guy ( nothing wrong with that) I finished at my dream school type addition, help to get into coaching maybe after.
 
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I think at this point, the only potential addition to the roster (in addition to Cadeau) is Dunlap and that is not in stone by ay means, he is a developmental player. Hurts nothing to bring him in and see how far he can develop, he would not get much PT next season, should red shirt, that is what I would tell him to do because he isn't getting PT next season. I think with the add of Ingram the Mgbako ship has sailed, even if it was in port for a minute.
 
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very, very interesting info on the Hunter laptop story and the fake 'Russian disinfo' claim....

you serious, Clark?

Don't just read the blurb, read the entire story. Watch the video too.
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We have two scholarships left. I get the strong feeling one is for Cadeau. Other than Ian Jackson, I don't know that I would want to risk losing any current Tar Heels to the portal by bringing in it someone fighting for minutes with the Heels we've got.
Cadeau, Jackson OR Jarin Stevenson.

I'd still rather play the hand we have now - meaning NONE of those guys - with maybe a backup 5 just in case Washington isn't there yet, and to insure against injuries up front.

But if any of those guys want to reclass, I don't see how we can turn them down. Too much talent.
 
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Cadeau, Jackson OR Jarin Stevenson.

I'd still rather play the hand we have now - meaning NONE of those guys - with maybe a backup 5 just in case Washington isn't there yet, and to insure against injuries up front.

But if any of those guys want to reclass, I don't see how we can turn them down. Too much talent.
I totally understand the talk about Stevenson as it sounds like he is ours to lose given his family history, but the guy hasn't even committed to the heels. He has had ample time to make his decision about where to attend college, much less whether he's going to reclass or not. I think many believe he is in the bag but until I see a commitment announcement, It feels premature to think about reclassification
 
How old is Jarin Stevenson? While I'm on record thinking we don't need anyone to reclassify, he's the 2024 player who seems to fit the front line need best. Of course he hasn't even committed to us yet, so that could be a stretch.

My concern is that if any of those guys reclassify, they not only could make a mess of what currently looks like a really promising roster, but then they'd be gone the following year.
 
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Cadeau and that should be it in my book! I think there is an outside but extremely slim chance Jackson makes the jump but that would be gravy! I am perfectly content with the team we already have so if Cadeau stays '24, UNC will be great for a good while! I fully expect to see a team that looks vastly improved and a coaching staff showing clear signs of growth!
 
How old is Jarin Stevenson? While I'm on record thinking we don't need anyone to reclassify, he's the 2024 player who seems to fit the front line need best. Of course he hasn't even committed to us yet, so that could be a stretch.

My concern is that if any of those guys reclassify, they not only could make a mess of what currently looks like a really promising roster, but then they'd be gone the following year.
You might be right, obviously none of us know for sure. The flip side of that coin is we have a very good balance of veterans versus what would be reclass freshman on this year's team. 2024 would resemble a UK or dook roster, and we all know how those end up. I think our 24 class is so strong that we could afford to spread it out over 2 years.
 
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Cadeau and that should be it in my book! I think there is an outside but extremely slim chance Jackson makes the jump but that would be gravy! I am perfectly content with the team we already have so if Cadeau stays '24, UNC will be great for a good while! I fully expect to see a team that looks vastly improved and a coaching staff showing clear signs of growth!
I think if I had a magic wand and got to create it anyway I chose, I would agree with you. Cadeau is a generational talent who is older than most everyone in his class and has very little to gain in another year of high school basketball. Each of the other reclass candidates could all benefit from an extra year, if nothing more from a physical development standpoint.

Let's roll!!! Go Heels!
 
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I think if I had a magic wand and got to create it anyway I chose, I would agree with you. Cadaue is a generational talent who is older than most everyone in his class and has very little to gain in another year of high school basketball. Each of the other reclass candidates could all benefit from an extra year, if nothing more from a physical development standpoint.

Let's roll!!! Go Heels!
His age and all the signals from family and others make it seem almost a certainty that he will reclassify. And if he does reclassify, we certainly don't want him going to S.Carolina.

So I'm somewhat resigned to Cadeau coming on board. But I'd rather see how the current roster would do. The parts look like they fit really well - maybe better than we've seen at Carolina for a long time.
 
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Cadeau and that should be it in my book! I think there is an outside but extremely slim chance Jackson makes the jump but that would be gravy! I am perfectly content with the team we already have so if Cadeau stays '24, UNC will be great for a good while! I fully expect to see a team that looks vastly improved and a coaching staff showing clear signs of growth!
While I do think we can do well with our current PG options there is far less certainty if we have Cadeau on the court. With Wilcher, I am a buyer that he not only can play the point, I prefer him do so over RJ because I love that kid's decision making. But I don't know, nor does anyone else know how much if at all Wilcher would upgrade us from RJ at the point nor do I believe in any way that Hubert would move RJ from the point for Wilcher to take the spot. IN addition, if Cadeau waits to come with the 24 class, then Wilcher would be moved right back to the 2 so it is not dumb to get him the 2 spot time now so his role the season after reflects more of what he played as a frosh. I fully believe that the only guy that takes the PG role from RJ day 1 for Hubert is Cadeau.

Seth, love Seth, love Seth as a PG, but it is pretty simple, kid has to shoot better, no ifs ands or buts. It is just hard to win with King Rice at the point now days. King had 2 problems that would be a problem in todays game, he is smallish and he didn't shoot. RJ has one of those issues and Seth so far has the other. It is easier to handle the small size than it is the no threat as a shooter aspect. So Seth simply has to shoot better before I can trust him with the keys. So does he shoot better next season, I think he will but hey, if YOU know he won't, how about please send me your lotto numbers and realize, Ms Cleo wants her crystal ball back! LOL

I prefer Cadeau come in now because he would be coming to more of a known roster than what we will have after next season. With the roster we now have, with Cadeau I see us as a elite 8 at worst, very solid final 4 chance (in other words natty upside). With out him unless we saw some extreme individual development from Wilcher or Seth, looks to me like elite 8 is our upside. Cadeau just gives us all or most of the good from Wilcher and Seth and none of the issues that need work that both have right now. If I have to trust, right now today jump shooting from Wilcher and Seth to carry us deep in the NCAAT, I will have a strong concern, a concern I would not have with Cadeau.
 
Cadeau, Jackson OR Jarin Stevenson.

I'd still rather play the hand we have now - meaning NONE of those guys - with maybe a backup 5 just in case Washington isn't there yet, and to insure against injuries up front.

But if any of those guys want to reclass, I don't see how we can turn them down. Too much talent.
Only Cadeau for me this year.
 
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Cadeau and that should be it in my book! I think there is an outside but extremely slim chance Jackson makes the jump but that would be gravy! I am perfectly content with the team we already have so if Cadeau stays '24, UNC will be great for a good while! I fully expect to see a team that looks vastly improved and a coaching staff showing clear signs of growth!
I don't want Jackson until 2024. I don't think he will give us the best version of himself in 1 year if he reclassed. He is one and done for sure, let's not waste it on a less than stellar year.
 
His age and all the signals from family and others make it seem almost a certainty that he will reclassify. And if he does reclassify, we certainly don't want him going to S.Carolina.

So I'm somewhat resigned to Cadeau coming on board. But I'd rather see how the current roster would do. The parts look like they fit really well - maybe better than we've seen at Carolina for a long time.
The parts seem to fit what it seems like Hubert is looking to do and that is the key. The parts didn't fit how Hubert wanted them to play last season and actually for most of the season before, until Manek starting finding his best fit. We were talented last season, easily NCAAT level talent but it didn't fit the style of play Hubert wanted and insisted we play. Like trying to use a running QB in a pro style passing offense, it isn't going to work like it should.
 
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