7 min for Wilcher?
I will play along when the roster is set, but couldn't let this post go by with a WTF!
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I will play along when the roster is set, but couldn't let this post go by with a WTF!
I saw subsequent comments you made clarifying the 7 min for Wilcher, but I think he is at worst the 6 man with 20+ min.
I do agree with you that Ingram is our starting 4 if we can get him to commit.
Withers as the backup 4.
I absolutely dont agree that we add 3-4 more players lol. That is insane!
HD might well start Ingram at the 4 but I wouldn't. I'd start Withers. Might just be more proof why I shouldn't be our head coach, but that's my current opinion. If Withers is the next Nance, I'll admit my error. But I like the fit.
I see Ingram starting at SF, backed by Ryan, then sliding to PF for a good chunk of his minutes (while Ryan slides to SG for the rest of his minutes). With Armando in the middle and Cadeau and RJ in the back court, that's a 6-man core I feel pretty good about. Surely 2 or 3 more of our players will show up to give us a complete 8-9 man rotation (no more iron man).
The Core (starters and starter minutes)
- Cadeau (PG only)
- RJ (SG and PG)
- Ryan (SG and SF)
- Ingram (SF and PF)
- Withers (PF)
- Armando (C)
Solid contributors
- Wilcher (SG)
- Washington (PF and C)
- 1 or 2 others who stand out from the rest
That, BTW, gives us a 12-man roster, with Trimble and Dunn still on board, along with Wojcik and High. I wonder which of those guys will step up?
I'd be very pleased to go into the new season with that 12-man roster.
Well Cadeau and Ingram would be two. If that leads to a transfer out then we are only at 11 scholarship players. I think we can add 3-4. I don't see why we wouldn't take another forward -- having just Ingram and Withers as true forwards seems risky.
Probably overly pessimistic on Wilcher, but I was just trying to fill in minutes quickly. After seeing Trimble I'm not sure I'd pencil in any 4 star for 15-20 minutes per game. Many people were saying Trimble could leave for the NBA after 1-2 years prior to this past season.
Damn, you lured me in....
Here is my best guess IF we get Ingram
( I hope we do)
Starters
Cadeau
Davis
Ryan
Ingram
Bacot
6th man
Wilcher
7th and 8th players
Withers/Washington
9th/10th players
Wojcik/Trimble
High is 11th Man and I think Dunn will portal out.
If we add a 12th guy, he would be a long term Freshman.
I see no way we get to 13 Schollys, and predict 11 will be the number.
In theory we could add 3-4 more guys, but 2 more leave out the back then. I have always argued the final number would be 11-12
It is like that carnival game where you drop your quarter down a slot, and once you have enough quarters on the ledge that keeps pushing the quarters, at some point they fall off lol.
Dunn and Trimble are on the edge, and 1-2 more transfers pushes them off.
It depends on who the player is. If it's a top level forward, then I'd be willing to lose them. If it's not, then maybe you have to reconsider. 11 players is pretty thin though. Injuries and other issues happen throughout the season.
3s and 4s in Hubert's offense are interchangeable as wings.
Just like in our old offense 2s and 3s were interchangeable.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I'd have Wilcher backing both RJ and Cadeau. If circumstances were so that Cadeau and Wilcher must both be out of the game, I'd turn to Seth at the point. I would do everything possible to keep RJ away from running the point. Of course this is assuming Wilcher and Cadeau are everything they are billed to be.
I agree with this too. I don't want Trimble playing off the ball much this season, unless it is in an offense for defense situation.
I agree buddy but can you imagine if Seth makes a legit jump from last year? Imo if that happens we’ll see a game changer. Cadeau better walk on water when he shows up or I’m gonna be disappointed. Lol
Great point Bama !! Never thought about that but EC looks so damn good man !
As do I.
I think Wilcher will produce fairly early, some this year and more next year.
I’d roll with that lineup. See my sig.
I'm in the camp that playing time guesses at this point is futile. RJ is going to play 30 plus and Mando is going to play 30 plus. The rest is WIDE OPEN.
I hope you're wrong. I'm hoping we can run enough to blow out some teams. I'm hoping Washington is completely healed, Cadeau shows up, and the bench is worthy of solid playing time. Having said that, I expect your statement about RJ and Mando will probably be true.
If true the clock will start ticking on CHD time in Chapel Hill.
Travis Branham with a crystal ball to UNC! Sounds very positive..fingers crossed!
30 minutes per game is not a huge number though. Most teams top players play at least 30 of the 40 minutes. That is giving them 5 minute rests each half. At this point I do think RJ and Mando will be the featured scorers.
OK, so going to disagree with much of this, will do so respectfully, simply a case of 2 people looking at a thing and seeing things very differently. Makes me no more right or wrong than your opinion, not all I will say is targeted to you, some of this may well be aimed at more a in general opinion. FYI, this is going to get long winded so those of you that can not handle reading more than a quick hitting bite should move on now to another thread or reply to something you are willing to read thru.
First Withers, I really hope folks that express their opinion of Withers would read the write up from David Sisk about the kid from his discussion with a Louisville beat writer. Just as staff writers here, like AJ for example, he has to know the team he covers much better than the casual fan. How many here would like to match their knowledge of last season's teams with AJ and claim they know more? Well, that is the same situation with Withers game being broken down by that writer and discussed with David Sisk. Very clearly his view is that Withers is a player on the cusp of becoming a very good college player, he was just on a team that was a total mess, didn't have a guard interested in anything but his own scoring, no matter how many others were open. No idea why this notion of Withers could play the wing comes from, kid is a 4 all day long, he is to me more Hicks with a jump shot out to the 3pt arch, that guy starts at the 4 for me (unless Jalen makes a HUGE leap forward this off season). I feel great about our 4 spot at this point, I would like more size at the 3 that can still jump shoot and the best fit for that in my opinion is Ingram, Cleveland maybe but I prefer Ingram. I love Ingram's size and still has the ability to jump shoot out past the 3pt line, if he comes to us I start him at the 3 and Withers at the 4, I then come back with a guy like Ryan and Jalen to back them up and I have 2 very unique looks that defenses will have to try to figure out.
Wilcher, really need to understand some things about this kid, I see him as a bit more of an aggressive scoring version of Kenny Williams and a much better ball handler. Now to me that is an outstanding player. While he can get on a heater and hit multiple treys, I would caution folks to not look to him as a great jump shooter right now, I think it is his 1 area that needs most improvement, he isn't a bad shooter now he just isn't a great shooter (you do not leave him to double someone else or he will burn you). But like Kenny did, he brings the intangibles, the refuse to back down to a challenge, the mano Y mano get in to you hard defense, and basketball IQ that is simply off the charts. For me that is an exciting player, he is the guy I think I would start at the point for us if Cadeau did not reclass.
With Cadeau, Cadeau starts at the point, be shocked if he doesn't start day 1. I move Wilcher to the 2 backing up RJ and Seth backing up Cadeau (note, I do not need Seth to shoot it great as a PG, with the ball he can not be doubled off of). Ryan fits in some where between the 2 and 3, more at the 3 if no Ingram or Ingram like guy, Wojik is Ryan's back up at the 3, good minutes if Ingram does not come to us. I can go with a wing (3 spot) rotation of Ryan and Wojik but I would like to see a bit more size there.
Tremble, I very strong did not like or agree with the way Tremble was used last season, will never understand why you put a guy in the game in a position that requires him to shoot that is not a great jump shooter? It wasn't just Tremble that suffered from being put in the wrong positions, Leaky being put in shooting situations, Nance, Nichel, even the type of attempts Puff was given? Of course Tremble has to shoot the ball better, seems most everyone is down on him exclusively because of his jump shooting but there is a heck of a lot more a PG has to do other than jump shooting, most importantly making good decisions, getting the ball to his mates in scoring position, not giving mind numbing TOs, see Kendal Marshal of one example of this. I think the back court of Tremble and Wilcher is a nightmare for opposing back courts for those of us that enjoy watching defensive play that is tough as nails.
It is my sincere hope that RJ has now played his last minute as UNC's PG. Make no mistake about this, UNC has now played 3 seasons in a row without a starting PG, there is no way that makes sense that we do that now 4 seasons in a row. RJ is a 2, RJ has been a 2, RJ has not been a PG, that could not be more clear. Anyone that wants to make a case for RJ being our starting PG for next season, not sure I can even get in to that discussion because 3yrs of this is far more than I needed to see. RJ is a 2, and he will start, he will play big minutes, hard to say this but he may not be the best guy we have for the 2, not sure I would start RJ if being honest but I don't see Hubert taking away his starting gig, I do hope Hubert limits his minutes, no excuse for RJ to 30mins a game. I am not the guy that is saying we build this team around RJ and Bacot, the only guaranteed starter in my book is Bacot. That is not me throwing shade at RJ, I want him in his natural position even if he is small for that position, he should be able to be better for us if allowed to not have to worry about distributing as much.
What does a "legit jump from last year" mean for him?
Last year, my sense was he couldn't play offensively in this kind of space system. I think his skillset is a player that's completely dependent on the roster around him because he's a liability as a shooter. That isn't to say he can't be a really good player.
I agree and my a jump in his case would be knowing where and when to dribble into traffic and finishing strong with confidence. He definitely showed that to be his best parts imo. And also being serviceable on the long ball. If he can get to 33% on minimum shots from deep he’ll be ok.
You're right, predicting minutes right now is pretty pointless. But I do think it's basically dependent if Jalen can legitimately contribute at the 5. If he can, then we'll have the flexibility to play small. It's a part of Bacot's game that would help him to improve on. Trayce Jackson Davis, Oscar and Edey all played over 30 minutes per game last year and I don't think any of those bigs broke down late in the season.
But have to see how this turns out. If Hubert trusts Ryan, Wojcik more than he trusted Dunn and Trimble last year (assuming Cadeau is here), then you're going to see more balanced minutes. Then, if Dunn and Trimble improve at all, I think they'll play some more.
I honestly am intrigued by the new team. I don't think we'll be all that good and the ceiling isn't all that high. I wanted to just see a different team than last year. Needed some new faces. At least my imagination can run wild a bit. I also didn't view this as an overnight fix so I might be more patient.
The best thing to happen to this program in the last five years was the run in 2021. But that delayed a necessary reset from that core for a full season. But again, I'm excited about a new team. I think there's a chance we suck. I don't think there's much chance that we're really good. But I'm just looking forward to seeing a new team.
Looks like UNC has wrapped up Ingram. Who's next?
Yea, and don't get me wrong. I don't think you absolutely have to shot 35% from 3 to be an effective player. I do think that's the easiest path. But if Seth is a really good on the ball defender and comes off the bench and changes the energy and tempo of a game with his defense. Then makes good decisions on offense.
I just hope for him his shooting doesn't hurt his mentality. If he is a 55% FT shooter long term, I hope he doesn't shy away from attacking the basket and getting to the foul line.
He doesn't need to shoot it great to be good. But he needs to do everything else really good.
Hold the final 2 scholarships for Cadeau and Jackson.
Jung, I may be on this island alone at this point but I really want Tremble on this team. What you saw from him at the later part of the season was a shell of the player that came in as a freshman. I very clearly saw that when I watched him miss 2 wide open lay ups, if you watched this kid prior to UNC you know that he is outstanding at finishing at the rim, watching him miss those 2 lay ups showed me the kid had lost all confidence in his game.
Seth is not a great jump shooter, don't know if he will ever be but he can shoot, his stroke does need work but he shot reasonably well in high school, but you have to be confident when you shoot the ball and he wasn't. Dunn couldn't shoot as a freshman either but the first thing folks noticed about him early last season is dang, that kid can shoot it. I was told many times how Kenny Williams could not shoot because he was what 2 for 11 for the season on treys his freshman season? As a shooter Seth is better than he showed but it is his area that needs most improvement.
The basketball IQ on our team has jumped a thousand percent with our portal editions. I think it's going to be very enjoyable to watch Ryan, Wojic and Ingram do the right things, make the right passes and be in the right spots. The results may equate to the 6 to 10 points per game that cost us so many last year!!
Go Heels!!!!!
Go Heels!!!!!
I agree, now if we add Cadeau then it will go up another thousand. But the biggest jump in IQ that really needs to happen is with Hubert and our coaching staff.
Yep... no coaching changes means the same teachers.
Yeah but nobody plays more
than 8-10 players anymore. Somebody shared the 1991 ACCT championship game last night, maybe Fla Heel. I watched a lot of it.
Dean played Chillcutt, Lynch, Montrose and even Rozier in his rotation that day.
And we still had two 7 footers on the bench that did not play in Salvadori and Wendstum. Both played in the NBA for a bit by the way
Times have changed, I don't see elite teams using the 13 scholarships anymore unless something changes again.
But Dean would have them as an option if there was an injury and in today's world a player can transfer at any moment. Even during the season. The point of having as many as possible is so you have a backup plan in place. Good coaches go in with a plan B in case something goes wrong.
Agree with you on Trimble, when you review his senior stats from HS, he was a lot better shooter, finishers, and FT% shooter than what he showed last season. Believe he will be one of those players who shows a lot of improvement from his freshman year to his sophomore year. Not so sure if he will ever be a great 3 point shooter, but there are other areas which he can excel in.
