Agreed. Need to go after Montgomery. If not, let Manley play a lot and learn on the job.
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Agreed. Need to go after Montgomery. If not, let Manley play a lot and learn on the job.
Or he watched and said they really need a big man that can score. Hopefully.
There is a big difference in depth and quality depth.
I'm not talking about a OAD player, I'm talking about a guy ranked #15-60. Maybe Montgomery is ranked a bit too high to be interested, but the issue you are talking about is only for one year. This player would be a presumed starter as a sophomore, that's not a bad option for these types of players. That's what Felton, Woods, Robinson, Bradley all signed up for, and all were ranked in this range. White too most likely.
I also think Brooks has struggled to be honest, so he'd only really be behind Manley and Maye (and Maye just for one year).
We are a good team. But not a top 20 team. Good enough to win against some tough competition. Good enough to merit a 6 seed. Maybe. We may survive the first weekend in the NCAAT. Or not.
Yeah, the depth hasn't played out like I thought it would. Manley is really the only one I feel good about being in the game.
Our losses on the recruiting trail are starting to bite us in the ass. That can’t be denied. We have to get quality kids but we also can not continue to get in situations like we are in yet again where we have to start taking second tier kids and hope they pan out. Hope is not a strategy.
Manley would've come off the bench. Manley has done nothing to earn a starting spot next year; he's just showed enough flashes to make us hopeful.
But again, we have 4 wins over top 25 ranked teams. Or going by Kenpom we've beaten 3 top 15 teams (and after this loss will probably be ranked #11-12 overall). That doesn't seem like a non-top 20 team to me.
We're not as good as last year, but I still think the team is pretty good.
The way Roy plays inside out, I am shocked that elite bigs in 2017 class weren't salivating to play at UNC.
Agreed. It's poor roster balance, especially given that only Brooks can sorta-kinda play the 4.
But the problem started before the '17 class. In the '14, '15, and '16 classes, we only took 2 bigs total.
Well since Nas can play the 3, we could fit Sterling in at the 5.
Woods/Felton
Williams
Little/Johnson
Maye
Manley
Woods/Felton
Williams
Little/Johnson
Maye
Manley
I see this a lot from UNC fans, but I think it's actually pretty rational for elite bigs to shy away from us.
The way we use bigs has very little carryover to the NBA. Bigs who score primarily in the post don't really have a place in the modern NBA. You need to be able to shoot and/or show some perimeter skill. We don't generally let our bigs expand their game much. Maye is the only real exception in the last decade.
And I’m not blaming any one particular player but by all accounts, both from coaches, players and fans, we all expected Jalek Felton to be a lot better than he actually is.
Chances are we dont get a top big man until our freshmen are Sr or gone. Nothing is coming in next year and if we can't get a recruit out of 2019, kids are going to be looking at our roster of upperclassmen and thinking there is no chance to play because of the loyalty that Roy has to the upperclassmen.
?? Not every big is a stretch 4. see Luke Maye for the stretch 4's btw. Is Wendall Carter jacking up 3's at Duke? He would be a 18 and 10 player at UNC.
John Henson had free reign also. Hell, Roy let him try SF for a year
Also pln hit the nail on the head. Why on earth did we sign 3 marginal big men in last years class who now combined don’t even produce 1 quality big for us? Awful awful awful and here’s why. The bad part (save me the development discussion until it actually comes to bear fruit) is that we will have all 3 for four years. By most accounts, a few of them will be serviceable, Huffman is Joel James Jr, just not a quality UnC player. Based on Roy’s recruiting, he recognizes that these guys aren’t going to cut it so he’s going hard after a few more bigs in the next few classes. If we get lucky and a few pick us, we will then have 6 true bigs taking up space on our roster, half of which won’t ever truly help us.
Great cuz Manley was never starting anyways. Who are you benching. Cam Nassir maye or Williams.
I don't really understand why we've offered so few true bigs in the 2018 class. Is Shittu the only one we've offered? Perhaps Naz Reid and David McCormack, I'm not sure. We offer stretch-4's like Days and Laszewski (and Zion in a sense), though neither of them were top 50.
I think with 2017 Roy took Huffman to make sure he had somebody. Then he really liked Manley and we needed another big. Then Brooks came open and it didn't feel right to pass him up. Just kind of a slow burn to end up with all three.
Lmao you know thats a damn lie. He's the starter at forward the second he steps foot on campus. He's not worried about no Garrison Brooks hahahaha
You start: Felton/White, Kenny, Cam, Zion, Maye.. Why is this so hard to understand. You then have Little off the bench playing 25 min
Cam's was/is expected to leave.
If Cam was still here, he'd sit. Zion will most likely be better than him.
So let me get this clear: Zion was worried about starting at forward at UNC but didn't have any problems going to Duke? He would have more minutes at unc than duke. Stop with this crap that he wouldn't start. He's the most talented player on the team the minute he steps foot on the court.
Is he? As I just noted above, we practically punted bigs in 2018. We are going after several in 2019 (though Baker is probably the only one who isn't a longshot), but that is two years away. Coming into the season I thought the fact we were pursuing so few bigs was a good sign for how Roy felt about the freshman.
He wouldn't thats my point. He starts at forward next to Maye the second he sets foot on campus.
I feel, and just my opinion, that Felton’s problem is his maturity level. He has some big boy skills but they come with a little boys maturity level. He needs to grow up and sooner rather than later!
Cam has never said this at any point. People just assumed he was good enough to get drafted after this year. He will leave if he is not going to start though.
Some folks might've assumed he was good enough to get drafted, but that wasn't a sensible assumption. The more credible idea was that he simply wanted to play professionally, as he's been in college for 4 years.
We shall see. If we don't get anybody else, I certainly hope he returns.
Then who are you benching. Why is this so hard to get. Felton or Woods at PG.
Williams at the 2.
Johnson at the 3.
Nassir at the 4.
Maye at the 5.
Who are you benching for Zion?
This is why he never could realistically come. He is a surefire starter everywhere, but he has to work for it here and has his playing time eaten into majorly here even if he does start. (Which he prob does but then Cam Johnson probably goes overseas)
I told everyone before he even transferred here that he is not as good as people built up. He is a SG who is a spot up shooter. Search my posts before he transferred. I live in Pittsburgh. Seen him play a ton.
So if you start Zion you bench Cam is the only answer which forces him out of the program. Not gonna sit his 5th year in college.
Cam, and it's not particularly close for me. I don't see why you care so much about this point though?
Zion would start over Nassir first off. Regardless Zion and Little would both play north of 25 MPG
Guys, let's everybody please calm down:
1) Even good teams can lay an egg on the road in the ACC. We did last year at Georgia Tech and it was far from the end of the world.
2) Roy's recruiting isn't why we lack a strong post presence--Tony Bradley's early departure is.
3) Bickering about the roster is pointless. Who we've got is who we've got. And I like who we've got and who we're gonna get.
4) Go Heels!
1) Even good teams can lay an egg on the road in the ACC. We did last year at Georgia Tech and it was far from the end of the world.
2) Roy's recruiting isn't why we lack a strong post presence--Tony Bradley's early departure is.
3) Bickering about the roster is pointless. Who we've got is who we've got. And I like who we've got and who we're gonna get.
4) Go Heels!
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