USC and UCLA reportedly headed to Big 10.

[hill6]

Will be really interesting to see where this leaves the other power conferences. This seriously hurts the Pac 12, but also impacts the Big 12 and ACC in it's full-on getting to 'get yours while the getting's good' stage. The Big 12 has been teetering for a long time, but the Pac 12 was more or less seemingly content in its terrible tv timezone.

I don't know if this will be the start of a massive new realignment that OU and UT started, or if there will just be a continued drip-drip-drip of power teams leaving non-SEC/Big 10 conferences.

 

[39 Feet Above Sea Level]

Maybe the Terps can trade yearly football opponents OSU and PSU for the Trojans and the Bruins.

 

[WoadBlue]

Will be really interesting to see where this leaves the other power conferences. This seriously hurts the Pac 12, but also impacts the Big 12 and ACC in it's full-on getting to 'get yours while the getting's good' stage. The Big 12 has been teetering for a long time, but the Pac 12 was more or less seemingly content in its terrible tv timezone.

I don't know if this will be the start of a massive new realignment that OU and UT started, or if there will just be a continued drip-drip-drip of power teams leaving non-SEC/Big 10 conferences.

The Big 12 cannot be a true Major/Power conference without OU and Texas. The Pac 12 also must be demoted without SC and UCLA. That leaves only the 2 super filthy rich leagues and the ACC. The ACC cannot retain the Major/Power status unless it upgrades its football quality and, even more so, adds to its football TV fan base.

 

[RoseHeel]

So what does this mean for the ACC, specifically UNC?

Are we destined for either the SEC or B1G? Is the ACC going to continue to do nothing while everyone else around them makes move?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

So what does this mean for the ACC, specifically UNC?

Are we destined for either the SEC or B1G? Is the ACC going to continue to do nothing while everyone else around them makes move?

In conference terms, how big is too big?

After this move, the Big 10 will have 16 teams. Does that leave any room for more teams?

How many will the SEC have when the dust settles?

If football is driving this, perhaps some weak football teams should thinking about leaving the ACC for the Big East or some other more basketball-focused conference.

Maybe what's left of the PAC-12 and Big 12 should join up to become the next great basketball conference.

 

[WoadBlue]

In conference terms, how big is too big?

After this move, the Big 10 will have 16 teams. Does that leave any room for more teams?

How many will the SEC have when the dust settles?

If football is driving this, perhaps some weak football teams should thinking about leaving the ACC for the Big East or some other more basketball-focused conference.

Maybe what's left of the PAC-12 and Big 12 should join up to become the next great basketball conference.

That question is not important. The important one is: if you have a chance to earn an extra 100 million dollars or more over 5 years, how can you stay in the ACC?

Basketball has 0 power even to slow this. None. It seems that the rich alums of both Vandy and Northwestern have made it clear that they demand to remain in the Big Time. If Dook gets paired with UNC, I expect Dook alums to take the same stance. Wake has no chance.

This is going to be about a break away based on football. The total for football may be as low as 40, but more likely will end up with about 60. More schools will be allowed in for basketball and baseball.

UNC needs to be talking with both BT and SEC about making certain at least one of them wants Dook and UVA with us.

 

[gary-7]

Will be really interesting to see where this leaves the other power conferences. This seriously hurts the Pac 12, but also impacts the Big 12 and ACC in it's full-on getting to 'get yours while the getting's good' stage. The Big 12 has been teetering for a long time, but the Pac 12 was more or less seemingly content in its terrible tv timezone.

I don't know if this will be the start of a massive new realignment that OU and UT started, or if there will just be a continued drip-drip-drip of power teams leaving non-SEC/Big 10 conferences.

Oh gee, why not?... The bizzaro-world of football-$$$ making a mockery of college sports continues unabated.

 

[WoadBlue]

So what does this mean for the ACC, specifically UNC?

Are we destined for either the SEC or B1G? Is the ACC going to continue to do nothing while everyone else around them makes move?

The only move we have that is worth making is ND in a full football membership, and then dropping Wake and probably BC, and adding WVU and Cincy. The money would never be close to SEC or BT, but we would be viable.

The ACC has failed since its founding to secure a permanent future, because that even back then meant football first and second and third. The ACC basketball tournament was the dope that got everybody's mind messed up so they could not see the truth.

Wake never should have been in the ACC. VPI or maybe WVU should have had that spot. GT should have been added when it still was a football power and wanted back in the SEC or else to join the ACC, which was 1969 or 1970. The ACC should have been aggressively wooing Penn St no later than 1978. The ACC should have added FSU no later than the mid-1980s.

 

[northfan]

ACC should add Stamford & University of Calfornia!

 

[FromTheThrill]

Looking like we will coalesce to three or four major conferences. Wouldn’t be surprised if the acc adds someone like Kansas

 

[dtodd4475]

ACC and Pac 10 looked doomed. The top teams will join SEC or Big 10, the others will fill in 2nd tier mid major levels. Fully believe UNC is more likely Big 10.

 

[tarwhiz]

This is all just rediculous.😔
Make College Football completely independent of conferences and return the rest of College sports back to regional affiliations. Nebraska's Womens swimming team doesn't need to go to Los Angeles in February for a duel swim meet.

 

[imajericho]

ACC is probably done. They can't compete with either the SEC or Big 10. There are no crown jewels left to woo. Big Ten is going to position for Notre Dame.

 

[dtodd4475]

This is all just rediculous.😔
Make College Football completely independent of conferences and return the rest of College sports back to regional affiliations. Nebraska's Womens swimming team doesn't need to go to Los Angeles in February for a duel swim meet.

This is true, but no more then they need to be going from Nebraska to New Jersey as they are now. Or teams in Kentucky going to Massachusetts, Iowa to West Virginia, etc., which are all the case in the major conferences already.

 

[tarheel0910]

ACC and Pac 10 looked doomed. The top teams will join SEC or Big 10, the others will fill in 2nd tier mid major levels. Fully believe UNC is more likely Big 10.

Probably going to happen sooner than people thought. Even before this happened there was talk that the Big could be getting a TV contract big enough to pay each school close to $100 million a year. It's impossible to say no to that kind of money. That's not just money that supports the football team. That's money that supports all sports.

 

[Oak ridger]

Time to leave the ACC and the Dookies behind to take on the BIG 10.

 

[WoadBlue]

Probably going to happen sooner than people thought. Even before this happened there was talk that the Big could be getting a TV contract big enough to pay each school close to $100 million a year. It's impossible to say no to that kind of money. That's not just money that supports the football team. That's money that supports all sports.

I've been trying to explain all that - starting with how much more valuable football is than basketball - to UNC and other ACC basketball-firsters and basketball-onlys since the 1990s. Very few have paid any attention.

The UNC-Dook basketball rivalry is the most important and valuable in the sport. It is the only one that carries weight close to the bigger football rivalries. Both BT and SEC should want that rivalry, because it also brings all those great non-revenue sports, especially those featuring the chicks.

 

[WoadBlue]

Looking like we will coalesce to three or four major conferences. Wouldn’t be surprised if the acc adds someone like Kansas

Kansas is a basketball school with less than 0 clout in football. The ACC already has too much of that.

 

[tarheel0910]

Time to leave the ACC and the Dookies behind to take on the BIG 10.

I could easily see both of us moving together.

 

[FromTheThrill]

Kansas is a basketball school with less than 0 clout in football. The ACC already has too much of that.

that is the future of the ACC

two big football conferences and two big basketball conferences

 

[tarheel0910]

that is the future of the ACC

two big football conferences and two big basketball conferences

Not sure the ACC is still alive at that point. If UNC or Clemson leaves, then it starts a domino effect. FSU, Miami, VT leave with Clemson and go to the SEC. duke, UVA and maybe GT go to the Big with us. Then it keeps going from there. Either the ACC becomes a decent mid major or goes away completely. Sad to think about, but I think it's just a matter of time.

 

[tarwhiz]

Probably going to happen sooner than people thought. Even before this happened there was talk that the Big could be getting a TV contract big enough to pay each school close to $100 million a year. It's impossible to say no to that kind of money. That's not just money that supports the football team. That's money that supports all sports.

Early accounts serm to say 70 million for each school including the two new programs. I look for that number to go up with additional bargaining power this brings.

 

[Kerwinwaltonsafro]

ACC is probably done. They can't compete with either the SEC or Big 10. There are no crown jewels left to woo. Big Ten is going to position for Notre Dame.

Notre Dame is not an AAU school. The B1G has never added a non AAU school (even Nebraska was AAU when they joined.)

 

[Kerwinwaltonsafro]

So what does this mean for the ACC, specifically UNC?

Are we destined for either the SEC or B1G? Is the ACC going to continue to do nothing while everyone else around them makes move?

The ACC Grant of Rights runs through 2036. It states that any school who leaves the ACC would forfeit all home game revenue and all media revenue through 2036. Every ACC team agreed to this GoR. There is no wiggle room. So the ACC is safe for at least another decade, because no school wants to go bankrupt by leaving.

After the GoR expires, the ACC is done. The football schools and big public universities will be poached by the Big Ten and SEC. UNC is likely to end up in the Big Ten because they are an AAU school. At least half the ACC won't be poached and will effectively become midmajors, including Duke University. The end game is the SEC and Big Ten break away from the NCAA entirely, which will make those schools even wealthier since they won't have the NCAA taking 95% of their non-football revenue.

 

[Oak ridger]

52 million to buy out of league isn't that much when you are looking at upwards of 100 million revenue in the new BIG 10

 

[imajericho]

Notre Dame is not an AAU school. The B1G has never added a non AAU school (even Nebraska was AAU when they joined.)

They have asked Notre Dame to join multiple times and multiple sources are saying Notre Dame is set to choose between whether to leave for the Big 10 or not within the upcoming week or so. That is why further expansion with Washington, Oregon, and Stanford is on hold atm.

What are you smoking, bro?

 

[tarheel0910]

Notre Dame is not an AAU school. The B1G has never added a non AAU school (even Nebraska was AAU when they joined.)

It would take them about half a second to add ND if they want to join. That's the white whale for everyone.

 

[tarheel0910]

They have asked Notre Dame to join multiple times and multiple sources are saying Notre Dame is set to choose between whether to leave for the Big 10 or not within the upcoming week or so. That is why further expansion with Washington, Oregon, and Stanford is on hold atm.

What are you smoking, bro?

Important to note, ND's buyout would be significantly lower since it wouldn't include football revenue.

 

[imajericho]

 

[tarheel0910]

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Interesting that the number for ND is that high without football. Means it's crazy high with football. Hard to see it being an option for UNC right now unless some kind of deal is struck. We're going to be second class citizens if we can't figure it out.

 

[dtodd4475]

It would take them about half a second to add ND if they want to join. That's the white whale for everyone.

They have asked and been willing to accept Notre Dame for decades.

 

[dtodd4475]

Interesting that the number for ND is that high without football. Means it's crazy high with football. Hard to see it being an option for UNC right now unless some kind of deal is struck. We're going to be second class citizens if we can't figure it out.

Could that have been part of the deal the ACC made with ND when they allowed ND to keep the privileges of staying out in football to reap their own financial gain?

Not sure what the details were, but they certainly were different from the other league members in many ways.

 

[39 Feet Above Sea Level]

Well, after the dust settles and the ACC no longer represents our hoops rivalry with dook (currently 143-115), at least we get the permanent bragging rights for all eternity. For me, that will be good enough.
All of our preferences and opinions are of zero consequence when none of us are billionaires in very nice
suits, just anonymous fans with functional fingers.
But seriously, all of this realignment just for $$$$$$$$$$$$$ effing sucks!

 

[JonScott]

So what does this mean for the ACC, specifically UNC?

Are we destined for either the SEC or B1G? Is the ACC going to continue to do nothing while everyone else around them makes move?

There’s not much the ACC can do.

 

[tarheel0910]

Could that have been part of the deal the ACC made with ND when they allowed ND to keep the privileges of staying out in football to reap their own financial gain?

Not sure what the details were, but they certainly were different from the other league members in many ways.

Not sure exactly how it works for them, but that's higher than I expected with the zero knowledge that I had. I just hope something good is happening for us behind the scenes. UNC won't be able to stay relevant in any sports when we're being outspent by that much. As much as I want the ACC to survive, I would rather UNC be competitive in all sports.

 

[Kerwinwaltonsafro]

52 million to buy out of league isn't that much when you are looking at upwards of 100 million revenue in the new BIG 10

Who has a $52 million buyout? I thought USC and UCLA were waiting until 2024 to avoid any fees.

 

[Kerwinwaltonsafro]

Important to note, ND's buyout would be significantly lower since it wouldn't include football revenue.

Notre Dame signed a contract in 2015/2016 that states they can only join the ACC for football if they choose to stop being independent. There is no escape clause or buyout related to that. They have to wait til it expires.

 

[Oak ridger]

Who has a $52 million buyout? I thought USC and UCLA were waiting until 2024 to avoid any fees.

However, even a hefty penalty for breaking the grant of rights – rumored to be more than $50 million -- could be financed over that period. Those schools would still come out ahead of what they're making in the ACC.

 

[Kerwinwaltonsafro]

However, even a hefty penalty for breaking the grant of rights – rumored to be more than $50 million -- could be financed over that period. Those schools would still come out ahead of what they're making in the ACC.

Any ACC school that leaves before 2036 will forfeit all home game revenue and all media revenue through 2036. That would be every penny they make from home sports games, and every penny they would make from their new conference's media deal. It would bankrupt any ACC school that left. That's exactly why the GoR was put in place and agreed upon by every ACC school.

 

[WoadBlue]

Notre Dame signed a contract in 2015/2016 that states they can only join the ACC for football if they choose to stop being independent. There is no escape clause or buyout related to that. They have to wait til it expires.

They just have to because that would be the honorable thing to do.

Sure.