For someone who got very butt hurt about "name calling" you're being a bit hypocritical here.
Roy doesn't lie to recruits. Telling PJ that Vandy is considering committing right now is lying. Bottom line bud.
Who do you feel will be the next recruit to committ to UNC
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For someone who got very butt hurt about "name calling" you're being a bit hypocritical here.
Roy doesn't lie to recruits. Telling PJ that Vandy is considering committing right now is lying. Bottom line bud.
I think it was probably God, & not god that granted you those things.
It would only be a lie for Roy to say it to Mr. PJ IF it weren't true. Since none of us know if it is true or not, then D's scenario is just as plausible as any other. (BTW: I don't think Roy said that to PJ either, but it is MY opinion) Roy is well known for honesty to recruits, and has told many recruits that a scholly is 1st come 1st served!
It is childish to attack peeps simply because you disagree with their opinions so let's try to keep it mature.
It certainly is nice to be back in these conversations though!
It is childish to attack peeps simply because you disagree with their opinions so let's try to keep it mature.
It certainly is nice to be back in these conversations though!
I dont know man. He was at Wofford yesterday for an Unofficial. I think its too early to tell with the kid.
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There you go again, putting words in my mouth that I didn't say, why do you have that need? Is it that you can not argue with what I actually say so you need to make up crap and accuse me of saying your fiction? And there yo are back to name calling, seems to be your MO, make up crap and then name call have you ever heard of the word discussion, do you have any concept of the idea of opinion sharing?
1) I didn't say I knew what Vanderbilt was thinking, I speculated as to what he COULD be thinking. Vanderbilt wanting Ky has been out there for ever, that was not me but rather my stating my belief based on many different snippets from the last year and a half. Agree with it or disagree is up to you. I speculated, means gave my opinion, I do not claim to know what Vanderbilt is thinking but I darn sure can speculate. Can you tell me that Vanderbilt has told you differently? What I do know is Vanderbilt was at our late night, do you suppose he was there and doesn't have his head turned to us?
2) Where in the world does that come from, I did not say Roy was stringing Vanderbilt along, that was dadija trying to put words in my mouth, ask him why he feels the need to say that. I have not even said I know that Roy has even talked to vanderbilt since our late night, but absolute fact is after vanderbilt was at our late night Roy flies to Vegas, I doubt he flew for the slot machines...
Fact, for ROY TO STRING VANDERBILT ALONG THE KID WOULD HAVE TO TELL ROY HE IS READY TO COMMIT AND ROY TELL HIM TO WAIT! I have not said anything close to that, I have been accused of that but it is a lie. Vanderbilt did not attend our late night because he was not interested in UNC, why else did Vanderbilt end up at our late night, I don't think it was that he got lost, ended up in Chapel Hill NC and needed a place to sit for a couple hours. I will let dadika make up some fictional reason the kid came ot our late night, he will no doubt accuse me of saying his fictional account, that is what he seems to need to do.
3) I do believe that Roy prefers PJ to Vanderbilt, Roy has put a heck of a lot more recruitment time in to PJ and again, following late night, where did Roy go? I do NOT believe Roy takes both PJ and Vanderbilt and I do very strongly believe that if one of the 2 commit to us the other will go elsewhere, you can believe that or not but I shared my opinion.
How does Huffman and Stokes have anything to do with PJ??? We are not even recruiting stokes at this point that I know of and Huffman is a reserve guy for at least a couple years?
Pretty much screwed up our momentum with him not taking the visit. Amazing how one BS story changes the perception of our chances.
I imagine Roy may prefer PJ, but we're really not in the position to play favorites. Don't want a Randle/Vonleh situation again.
That being said, the visit to PJ instead of Vanderbilt shouldn't confuse anyone. Vanderbilt just finished his OV less than a week ago. PJ's was almost a month ago. I'd think you'd want to keep your face fresh with the guy who just took 2 visits to one school + another visit on deck vs saturating the one who just had a great visit with none up next...
Way too early to start establishing another visit with Vanderbilt. The only reason we should be taking a visit to him right now is if he calls it.
That being said, the visit to PJ instead of Vanderbilt shouldn't confuse anyone. Vanderbilt just finished his OV less than a week ago. PJ's was almost a month ago. I'd think you'd want to keep your face fresh with the guy who just took 2 visits to one school + another visit on deck vs saturating the one who just had a great visit with none up next...
Way too early to start establishing another visit with Vanderbilt. The only reason we should be taking a visit to him right now is if he calls it.
He's 2018. I'd much rather him come to LNWR next year anyway. We need real hoops bad. People are overreacting to everything.
The fact that he sets up visits to State and Dook without even giving us a reschedule in no way equates to good news.
A lot can change within a year. We could just as easily be cut off
his list by that point. Time hasn't always worked in our favor in regards to persuading recruits over the past few years.
These aren't OV's are they? Those are the ones that really matter. Something obviously got screwed up with the WKU and LNWR visits. Who knows what it was. I'm not gonna guess. There's nothing for him to reschedule with us. He missed LNWR 2 years before he graduates. We're fine.
Are you drunk? I've been the one saying he doesn't lie to recruits and wouldn't tell Washington that Vandy is close to committing.
You're the one writing novels trying to philosophize the mind of a 17 year old.
In YOUR opinion, isn't that true...AGAIN, for the who the heck knows time, you do not have to agree with my opinions and you don't have to even as much as read them. But you guess daika is more right and yet what has he shared to be right or wrong about? All he has done is try to gin up words that I did not use and accuse me of saying them?
ya say I am always reaching, OK, so what do you think opinion is if not a reach in to speculation? If it were other wise they would be fact. Show me where I said Roy has as much as talked with Vanderbilt since our late night? FACT, he was at our late night. Show me where I said Roy flew out to tell PJ that Vanderbilt told him he was ready to commit, FACT, Roy did fly to face to face visit with PJ after our late night.
THANK YOU so much for granting me the right to express my opinions, I didn't actually know you were the grantor of such right...
There you go again, saying Roy lies to recruits, stop that!
By the way, it is way to early in the morning for you to be drinking, seek help...
Like I said, our previous experiences speak otherwise. OV or not, visits help the recruits and schools establish a solid connection. Don't know if you've been following our recruiting or not, but missing visits never work out well for us. Regardless of the circumstances.
You can dismiss this as nothing if you'd like, I'll wait until the evidence supports that
Gotta agree with a few posters who say that PJ just got 2 recent visits from UK and Roy needed to keep UNC on his mind with a refresher visit in my opinion. I also doubt that Vanderbilt visit had much if anything to do with it. Not saying what Dave said couldn't be true, but it seems too involved.
I can say that as a salesperson, I keep in contact with people that buy from me or could buy just to keep my name in the forefront. Recruiting is basically selling.
I can say that as a salesperson, I keep in contact with people that buy from me or could buy just to keep my name in the forefront. Recruiting is basically selling.
Glad he is coming but this far out from him making a decision that him coming doesn't mean much imo
But I coulda swore he didn't visit us or wku last week out of respect for Roy and the kindness of his heart. Seriously though probably not the best of signs although there's a long way to go.
Roy does the quick visit Tuesday, recruit cancels on Arizona, down to three, I like our chances. Go Heels.
UK also visited....
Some highlights came out of the USA bb thingy the other week and Knox looked super smooth. He'd make a great fit in Justin's spot.
While I think I prefer PJ, it's hard to go wrong with Knox or Vanderbilt either. All 3 are dynamic players who would play a lot from day one.
Funny how stuff works, I was told yesterday when I offered that Vanderbilt wanted Ky that I just made that up and yet today we see Vanderbilt visiting Ky? Funny how Roy visits PJ and all the sudden Arizona is out, they take Ira Lee and now Vanderbilt is visiting Ky.
Now let me add this up, you are about to get the public announcement, we are told PJ's dad is running all over the place telling folks that his son is going to Ky. Ky fans call in to a Ky homer radio program claiming PJ's dad is tellin everyone and some posters here actually believe that Paul is actually doing that. Yet just as most of the Tar Heel faithful have given up all hope, Ky is suppose to lead by a mile, and all the sudden another 5 star sets up a visit for this weekend, a 5 star that plays at PJs position. Pretty much sums up the events of this week does it not? LOL
So I would ask, especially those that love to pick apart what I share, why would any coach, so far out in front as Kal is suppose to be for PJ, why does that coach risk bringing in another 5 star that plays the same position as PJ? When you are that far ahead you don't have any need what so ever to push the kid for a commit, Kal does not mind waiting till the spring anyway and PJ has already made it known his decision will be nov/dec, there is no viable reason to push a kid that you already have locked up so much his dad can not contain his excitement and tells the kid at Micky Ds where his son is going rather than say yes to the fries? LOL
Could the answer possibly be that PJ to Ky is actually NOT a done deal? Is it possible that PJ's dad is not on the take for the services of his son? Is it possible that PJ's dad is not going around telling everyone his son is going to Ky? Is it possible that Vanderbilt came to our late night and not Kys because he believed his chance at Ky was done with the love Kal was showering on PJ? Wonder what (maybe who) changed his mind to the extent that he is now visiting him this weekend, could it be that Vanderbilt now realizes that PJ to Ky is not the done deal it has been portrayed to be? Any of that possible?
Now let me add this up, you are about to get the public announcement, we are told PJ's dad is running all over the place telling folks that his son is going to Ky. Ky fans call in to a Ky homer radio program claiming PJ's dad is tellin everyone and some posters here actually believe that Paul is actually doing that. Yet just as most of the Tar Heel faithful have given up all hope, Ky is suppose to lead by a mile, and all the sudden another 5 star sets up a visit for this weekend, a 5 star that plays at PJs position. Pretty much sums up the events of this week does it not? LOL
So I would ask, especially those that love to pick apart what I share, why would any coach, so far out in front as Kal is suppose to be for PJ, why does that coach risk bringing in another 5 star that plays the same position as PJ? When you are that far ahead you don't have any need what so ever to push the kid for a commit, Kal does not mind waiting till the spring anyway and PJ has already made it known his decision will be nov/dec, there is no viable reason to push a kid that you already have locked up so much his dad can not contain his excitement and tells the kid at Micky Ds where his son is going rather than say yes to the fries? LOL
Could the answer possibly be that PJ to Ky is actually NOT a done deal? Is it possible that PJ's dad is not on the take for the services of his son? Is it possible that PJ's dad is not going around telling everyone his son is going to Ky? Is it possible that Vanderbilt came to our late night and not Kys because he believed his chance at Ky was done with the love Kal was showering on PJ? Wonder what (maybe who) changed his mind to the extent that he is now visiting him this weekend, could it be that Vanderbilt now realizes that PJ to Ky is not the done deal it has been portrayed to be? Any of that possible?
Dave, i thought of you when the Vanderbilt visiting KY news came out. what you layed out is what I believe also. PJ is no lock to KY and no reason to push him if he was. Payne wouldnt be visiting him 3 days after BBM if it was a done deal. I believe we are right in it.
For those who don't religiously sneer at 247, it may be interesting to note that Vanderbilt is the one (of the 3 we are talking about) with the least agreement on from predictors. There's pretty strong sentiment that Knox is headed to Duke and PJ is headed to Kentucky. And there is a definite TCU lean for Vanderbilt. But there are also predictions for Texas, Kansas and Kentucky.
Probably means nothing. But it might suggest Vanderbilt is more open to alternative recruitment.
Probably means nothing. But it might suggest Vanderbilt is more open to alternative recruitment.
Good question. My sense is that PJ and Vanderbilt can both play either the 3 or 4. So they could play alongside each other.
While I wouldn't want to push the comparison too hard, they both seem like Poythress type players or maybe McAdoo type players. I'd play both of them at the same time alongside Tony, depending on who else we have on the roster at the time.
On the assumption that Huff and Manley will take a year or two to earn meaningful minutes, if we still have Theo, I could see PJ starting at PF alongside Theo and Tony, with Vanderbilt getting starter minutes subbing at both SF and PF positions. If Theo leaves early, I like this lineup:
Berry
Felton
Vanderbilt
PJ
Tony
... with 7th subbing at either guard position and sharpshooters coming off the bench as needed.
Looks like a winner to me. The only problem is with that many freshmen, there will be more freshman mistakes than usual.
Oh well. Enough of dreaming.
I mean...yeah...but he had also just done BBM and Payne visited also. Eliminating Zona just simply means he's considering 2 teams, with UK being the place he's leaning.
We were all pretty much in agreement on the board that while it's possible his dad was doing this because of his love of UK, none of us thought it was likely. You're not the only one on that bus.
Vandy visiting UK does not change the fact that most experts would be shocked if he didn't go to UK. If Vandy commits before PJ, different story.
Maybe Cal thinks he can land both. It's not like he hasn't recruited 2-3 of the same type of player in the same class before. Look at the PF's in the Randle class.
As usual, I think you're reading way too much into the mind of a 17 year old. I think Vandy likes UK, has visits left, so he's going to go see one of the top programs in the country and have fun for a weekend.
You make it seem like every recruit has a Beautiful Mind style tool shed with all of these theories. They don't. They're more concerned with their Twitter mentions.
And they are in the very same position we are in, they are "one of three"....here's hoping for the good guys, Go Heels!
I'm waiting to see if it is a November or December decision.
Dave, I am not saying that I think anyone leads for PJ. Just saying that all of the scenarios you laid out might be true but that it might also be as simple as keeping your brand in front of a prospects mind. I am inclined to believe the latter.
This is an awful lot of mental gymnastics when the simple answer is Cal probably wants both of them. He has signed multiple same position 5 stars in many classes, including 3 classes in the past 6 years where he has signed two 5 star power forwards, so this is hardly surprising.
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