Who will be our next commit?????

[gary-7]

https://www.sny.tv/college-recruiti...definitely-going-to-school-together/180951488

This is the article they were talking about on the Ky-centric site, pretty clearly says Ky leads right now. That is from a NY based writer writing for a NY based publication. So Ky is clearly involved and from his lips leads for now.

Whispers I hear, Kalipari really wants Ayton but does not know if Ayton will play college ball, he is trying to see if he will or not before he offers in fear that an offer to Ayton could chase Carter and Bamba away and don't forget Ky is working Vanderbilt as well but more as a 4. Thing is my understanding is BOTH Carter and Bamba themselves think they are 4's. That is why I see duke as the favorite because if they can hold on to Bolden they have a center and Carter can play the 4 and plenty room for Trent. But would Knox go along with carter when they both want to be 4s? I don't think so and IMO that could push one or the other back to us, especially if we can get back to the final 4 and Tony is back for his soph season. K is trying to sell that his 4s and 5s are basically 4s with no center and is pointing to Parker being able to step outside to jump shoot. However Roy can sell Tony is our center big man, we need YOU to be our 4, which has to be carefully played considering PJ and Knox. My opinion, Bamba is listening to us more than carter AND Bamba likes the way we used Brice this past season.

As for Harvard, while he seems to hold that fantasy I am not aware that Trent is talking or in any way involved with Harvard, I would question if he has Harvard grades. And yet Carter talks about the package deal is 100% on the table but so is Harvard? Ya can't have it both ways, either he goes to a school Trent can get a scholly from ( by the way, how many open schollys does Harvard have ) or he packages himself with Trent and eliminates Harvard. So in the very same short interview the kid says 2 polar opposite things and some of us think we may know what this kid is going to do? He himself clearly doesn't know so how the heck can we?

And for even more fun click the link on Trent's name and see another interview from the same pub, he says the package deal is 100% on the table, note the term "on the table", by definition means isn't finalized, is not a done deal, when it becomes a done deal or becomes a dead deal it comes off the table. If it were carved in stone I would have expected him to say done deal, not that it is still on the table.

Sorry Dave. That article is quoting something out of context. Wendell never said uk was ahead of dook in his recruitment. That was a second hand quote from another article. Remember that old whisper a secret game in elementary school?...

 

[carolinablue34]

Agree with most of what you said. I expect Carter and Gak to commit early and Knox and Bamba to wait until later. So lots of people say that Duke is the leader for Knox and Bamba right now, and we may be, but that could change once one of those guys commit as you said. I know Bamba and his family are open about being Duke fans but that does not always mean they are a lock to that school. If Knox commits first, will Bamba decide it's too crowded and look elsewhere? And vice versa if Bamba commits first. Also, both of those guys are still early and more open in their recruitment than Carter is so things can change with Knox/Bamba.

For UNC, I think 2017 is a very important class. I think you guys will start picking up more players in 2018 and if Roy can grab some good players in 2017 that will help fill the gap so you guys don't have a drop off in talent for a year. I will try to word this "softly"......I think UNC will get some good players in 2017 but not any of the top of the guys (Carter, Knox, Bamba). I could be wrong obviously, but I think you have much better chances with the likes of Platek, Tilmon, Washington, etc. And that's not a terrible thing, those are good players and would fit in well at UNC.

I'd be very happy with a combo of PJ, Robinson, Tilmon and whoever else. However, make no mistake, I want to see us nab a big time player. It's been 6 years since we've had a Harrison Barnes kind of player.

 

[Archer2]

For UNC, I think 2017 is a very important class. I think you guys will start picking up more players in 2018 and if Roy can grab some good players in 2017 that will help fill the gap so you guys don't have a drop off in talent for a year. I will try to word this "softly"......I think UNC will get some good players in 2017 but not any of the top of the guys (Carter, Knox, Bamba). I could be wrong obviously, but I think you have much better chances with the likes of Platek, Tilmon, Washington, etc. And that's not a terrible thing, those are good players and would fit in well at UNC.

I'm in agreement with those on this board that don't believe OAD'S will magically start signing with UNC now that the four year NCAA cloud is lifting. IOW, the perception that UNC isn't a "OAD friendly" school has had more impact on our signing top 10 players than the investigation has, that we will not feature OAD's as prominently as they wish to be featured. UK and dook have shown they are more than happy to do so.

I do think that the investigation has hurt our recruiting significantly, but players in the 15-35 range, not the ones who routinely envision themselves as one year wonders. So I do expect our recruiting to improve, I just don't expect to sign many OAD's as long as Roy is our coach. And I'm perfectly fine with that. I prefer his approach to that of K or Cal but then again, I'm an old school guy.

 

[HeelFan58]

To say that signing Tillman, Robinson, and PJ would make me ecstatic would be an understatement.

I'll take that right now and watch the finish from the clubhouse.

 

[Sk1310]

I'll take that right now and watch the finish from the clubhouse.

Right? Those 3 with Felton already on board would be monster. Have a good shot with Weatherspoon and Platek also.

 

[Sk1310]

I'd be very happy with a combo of PJ, Robinson, Tilmon and whoever else. However, make no mistake, I want to see us nab a big time player. It's been 6 years since we've had a Harrison Barnes kind of player.

Not sure what your definition of big time player is, but Robinson will be in 247 top 10 in the next rankings.

 

[gary-7]

I'm in agreement with those on this board that don't believe OAD'S will magically start signing with UNC now that the four year NCAA cloud is lifting. IOW, the perception that UNC isn't a "OAD friendly" school has had more impact on our signing top 10 players than the investigation has, that we will not feature OAD's as prominently as they wish to be featured. UK and dook have shown they are more than happy to do so.

I do think that the investigation has hurt our recruiting significantly, but players in the 15-35 range, not the ones who routinely envision themselves as one year wonders. So I do expect our recruiting to improve, I just don't expect to sign many OAD's as long as Roy is our coach. And I'm perfectly fine with that. I prefer his approach to that of K or Cal but then again, I'm an old school guy.

Arch, reading this stuff I SMH at those who are so obsessed with star rankings. Ask AAU cognescenti about JB's ranking and you'll still get a laugh.
And I'll state right here PJ Washington is a better player than some ranked ahead of him.

 

[Sk1310]

Arch, reading this stuff I SMH at those who are so obsessed with star rankings. Ask AAU cognescenti about JB's ranking and you'll still get a laugh.
And I'll state right here PJ Washington is a better player than some ranked ahead of him.

Agreed Gary. PJ washington can flat out ball. I feel like hes getting knocked a little bit because of his height at the PF spot. Tillmon also seems like he is a bit underrated. I love his game.

 

[Archer2]

Arch, reading this stuff I SMH at those who are so obsessed with star rankings. Ask AAU cognescenti about JB's ranking and you'll still get a laugh.
And I'll state right here PJ Washington is a better player than some ranked ahead of him.

While I think there is a definite correlation between rankings and logical expectations, they are subjective and there are certainly many instances where they have been misleading. I don't worry about top 10 guys because I don't expect to land many of them. I concern myself more with the next 30-40 players, the core of our program year in and year out.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Can PJ Washington play SF? Listed as 6'7. The video I saw shows a pretty good outside shot and crashes the middle well.

I certainly hope that Theo blows up next season. But if he does, he could be gone. Failing that, I hope he turns the corner next season. But if he doesn't, we have a bunch of short, scrawny guys to play SF when Justin leaves. And even if he does turn the corner, we'll need someone the following year.

I see we have one offer to a SF - Knox - but people are talking like he's Duke bound. Hence my question about PJ Washington.

 

[gary-7]

Can PJ Washington play SF? Listed as 6'7. The video I saw shows a pretty good outside shot and crashes the middle well.

I certainly hope that Theo blows up next season. But if he does, he could be gone. Failing that, I hope he turns the corner next season. But if he doesn't, we have a bunch of short, scrawny guys to play SF when Justin leaves. And even if he does turn the corner, we'll need someone the following year.

I see we have one offer to a SF - Knox - but people are talking like he's Duke bound. Hence my question about PJ Washington.

PJ is what I would call a combo Forward. Plays bigger than his height. Often ends up guarding the other team's Big but has a nice face-up game that should only get better. I suspect he could develop enough of that to log some time at the 3 eventually but he can hold his own with anybody inside.

 

[RoseHeel]

It's been echoed a few times in this thread, but a class of Tilmon, Washington, and Robinson would more than fulfill our "3 Talented Bigs" criteria. Potentially add that in with an Sophomore Bradley and we'll be looking at something special!

 

[DSouthr]

I'm in agreement with those on this board that don't believe OAD'S will magically start signing with UNC now that the four year NCAA cloud is lifting. IOW, the perception that UNC isn't a "OAD friendly" school has had more impact on our signing top 10 players than the investigation has, that we will not feature OAD's as prominently as they wish to be featured. UK and dook have shown they are more than happy to do so.

I do think that the investigation has hurt our recruiting significantly, but players in the 15-35 range, not the ones who routinely envision themselves as one year wonders. So I do expect our recruiting to improve, I just don't expect to sign many OAD's as long as Roy is our coach. And I'm perfectly fine with that. I prefer his approach to that of K or Cal but then again, I'm an old school guy.

Will not disagree at all when you say the O&Ds will not just start signing with us because the NCAA has our men's team for the most part in the clear. I beat that topic all last summer, we do have a real perception problem, we have in a way allowed our rival programs to brand us with out a real effective counter. It will take time for the perception of playing for UNC to change with the O&Ders.

Now the reason I have not hit that theme as hard this off season is that we not only have the NCAA stuff for the most part cleared up, we have the PT available to show these O&D level big men, and we just played in the national title game. Point is the stage is better set now than it has been in several years, of the several road blocks that were in front of us right now only the false perception remains. It is today easier for a O&D big man to take the less traveled path and realize that if he can star as a freshman at UNC that he can be seen as the guy that single handed brought UNC back and would become an instant legend. That is not something you can do at duke or Ky or even Ks today but at UNC you can be seen as the guy that saved UNC, the guy that changed the perception of UNC and those are shoes that can only apply recruiting wise and perception wise by a great program not at the heights like a UNC or a UCLA.

 

[gary-7]

Will not disagree at all when you say the O&Ds will not just start signing with us because the NCAA has our men's team for the most part in the clear.

I posted about that right after we were cleared: There are unfortunately still media types who have an agenda to perpetuate those negatives. That was recently exemplified by that BSPN Top-25 article I linked where Eammon Douchebag just had to take another unwarranted shot at us. And make no mistake, there are recruiting "reporters" out there who wear that anti-UNC meme on their sleeves all the while interviewing these elite kids. And folks don't think that sort of thing colors their coverage? --- or worse, comes through to the recruits they interview? Riiight....
The residual damage is still there largely thanks to those who have an interest in perpetuating it.

The other lesson here is to take some of these recruit interviews with the appropriate grains of salt. There's a difference between a kid volunteering information on one hand, and answering leading questions on the other...

 

[Archer2]

Will not disagree at all when you say the O&Ds will not just start signing with us because the NCAA has our men's team for the most part in the clear. I beat that topic all last summer, we do have a real perception problem, we have in a way allowed our rival programs to brand us with out a real effective counter. It will take time for the perception of playing for UNC to change with the O&Ders.

Now the reason I have not hit that theme as hard this off season is that we not only have the NCAA stuff for the most part cleared up, we have the PT available to show these O&D level big men, and we just played in the national title game. Point is the stage is better set now than it has been in several years, of the several road blocks that were in front of us right now only the false perception remains. It is today easier for a O&D big man to take the less traveled path and realize that if he can star as a freshman at UNC that he can be seen as the guy that single handed brought UNC back and would become an instant legend. That is not something you can do at duke or Ky or even Ks today but at UNC you can be seen as the guy that saved UNC, the guy that changed the perception of UNC and those are shoes that can only apply recruiting wise and perception wise by a great program not at the heights like a UNC or a UCLA.

That's why we should know pretty quickly how much impact the investigation has had on our ability to sign OAD's, because we have beaucoup de playing time available now, no sanctions to worry about, and are coming off a title game. I don't expect much change, if any. Now guys in the 15-50 range will be a different story, IMO.

 

[viking131]

Agree Archer!

 

[gary-7]

That's why we should know pretty quickly how much impact the investigation has had on our ability to sign OAD's, because we have beaucoup de playing time available now, no sanctions to worry about, and are coming off a title game. I don't expect much change, if any. Now guys in the 15-50 range will be a different story, IMO.

...and for all the gnashing of teeth over the issue, OADs will never be a staple here nor should they. Yeah, Roy will put out some offers but it weeds itself out pretty quickly as to which kids have their heads on right enough to actually fit in while they're here as opposed to trying to make Chapel Hill their own pre-NBA showcase. We've also had players who were expected to be OAD decide against that course once they got here.

Also remember that Roy ain't gonna dumb-down his system (like some other coaches have) to accommodate more early minutes.

As long as Roy is comfortable with a given OAD fitting in then that's fine by me, but at the same time personally I like watching kids actually stay and develop and mesh into the best system ever invented. But maybe that's just me....

 

[DSouthr]

...and for all the gnashing of teeth over the issue, OADs will never be a staple here nor should they. Yeah, Roy will put out some offers but it weeds itself out pretty quickly as to which kids have their heads on right enough to actually fit in while they're here as opposed to trying to make Chapel Hill their own pre-NBA showcase. We've also had players who were expected to be OAD decide against that course once they got here.

Also remember that Roy ain't gonna dumb-down his system (like some other coaches have) to accommodate more early minutes.

As long as Roy is comfortable with a given OAD fitting in then that's fine by me, but at the same time personally I like watching kids actually stay and develop and mesh into the best system ever invented. But maybe that's just me....

You are exactly right gary, Roy will never as long as he is coach gear his program to feature freshmen or reduce the primary goal that every college has being about the education. AS popular as it has become to take un-warrented shots at UNC over academics, the dirty little secret they do not want to share is that UNC has always taken academics as of greater importance that most schools. The schools actually most guilty of cheapening the value of education to their athletes are the very fans bases that screamed for us to be extremely punished?

It kinda of amazes me that Ky fans spoke so much hatred of UNC during our NCAA issues and tried to say it was because they actually gave a darn about their players educations? It was hyprocracy to the nth degree. They know full well athletes are and always have been admitted to SEC programs that could not get admitted to ACC programs, geez, that is exactly why the gamecocks left the ACC. SEC programs take diploma mill athletes and crow about how great their sports teams are, Ky tried to convince us John Wall was an honor student? Give me a break!

Roy is never going to prostitute this program just so we can win a couple more games a year. I hate to see duke has elected to go down that road, IMO it severely cheapens that duke degree. But now K, having now full shifted to the one & done model out of one corner of his mouth talks about the duke education and the other side he talks getting you away from duke as quickly as possible. As the "senior citizen" of the NCAA coaching ranks and as a man given the grand stage to take a stand for the very core values the NCAA orginally formed under, he has taken the lazy cheap way out just to add a few more career wins and maybe another natty to his collection.

 

[Archer2]

You are exactly right gary, Roy will never as long as he is coach gear his program to feature freshmen or reduce the primary goal that every college has being about the education. AS popular as it has become to take un-warrented shots at UNC over academics, the dirty little secret they do not want to share is that UNC has always taken academics as of greater importance that most schools. The schools actually most guilty of cheapening the value of education to their athletes are the very fans bases that screamed for us to be extremely punished?

It kinda of amazes me that Ky fans spoke so much hatred of UNC during our NCAA issues and tried to say it was because they actually gave a darn about their players educations? It was hyprocracy to the nth degree. They know full well athletes are and always have been admitted to SEC programs that could not get admitted to ACC programs, geez, that is exactly why the gamecocks left the ACC. SEC programs take diploma mill athletes and crow about how great their sports teams are, Ky tried to convince us John Wall was an honor student? Give me a break!

Roy is never going to prostitute this program just so we can win a couple more games a year. I hate to see duke has elected to go down that road, IMO it severely cheapens that duke degree. But now K, having now full shifted to the one & done model out of one corner of his mouth talks about the duke education and the other side he talks getting you away from duke as quickly as possible. As the "senior citizen" of the NCAA coaching ranks and as a man given the grand stage to take a stand for the very core values the NCAA orginally formed under, he has taken the lazy cheap way out just to add a few more career wins and maybe another natty to his collection.

Amen!

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

It's been echoed a few times in this thread, but a class of Tilmon, Washington, and Robinson would more than fulfill our "3 Talented Bigs" criteria. Potentially add that in with an Sophomore Bradley and we'll be looking at something special!

We should probably offer Robinson, then. Along with 4 or 5 more bigs.

I notice he's from California.

 

[Ozheelfan]

You are exactly right gary, Roy will never as long as he is coach gear his program to feature freshmen or reduce the primary goal that every college has being about the education. AS popular as it has become to take un-warrented shots at UNC over academics, the dirty little secret they do not want to share is that UNC has always taken academics as of greater importance that most schools. The schools actually most guilty of cheapening the value of education to their athletes are the very fans bases that screamed for us to be extremely punished?

It kinda of amazes me that Ky fans spoke so much hatred of UNC during our NCAA issues and tried to say it was because they actually gave a darn about their players educations? It was hyprocracy to the nth degree. They know full well athletes are and always have been admitted to SEC programs that could not get admitted to ACC programs, geez, that is exactly why the gamecocks left the ACC. SEC programs take diploma mill athletes and crow about how great their sports teams are, Ky tried to convince us John Wall was an honor student? Give me a break!

Roy is never going to prostitute this program just so we can win a couple more games a year. I hate to see duke has elected to go down that road, IMO it severely cheapens that duke degree. But now K, having now full shifted to the one & done model out of one corner of his mouth talks about the duke education and the other side he talks getting you away from duke as quickly as possible. As the "senior citizen" of the NCAA coaching ranks and as a man given the grand stage to take a stand for the very core values the NCAA orginally formed under, he has taken the lazy cheap way out just to add a few more career wins and maybe another natty to his collection.

Best post of a six page thread

 

[heelmanwilm]

@DSouthr

I rival hate dook with the best of em. But have they really recruited any oad's that we wouldnt have welcomed here? I mean irving and okafor and ingram woulda been welcomed with open arms as potential oad's seems to me. Not sure anyone saw winslow as an oad including kay. He just cashed in on a remarkable run. So i'm not sure i buy into kay prostituting himself with oad's. Jmo.

 

[carolinablue34]

@DSouthr

I rival hate dook with the best of em. But have they really recruited any oad's that we wouldnt have welcomed here? I mean irving and okafor and ingram woulda been welcomed with open arms as potential oad's seems to me. Not sure anyone saw winslow as an oad including kay. He just cashed in on a remarkable run. So i'm not sure i buy into kay prostituting himself with oad's. Jmo.

What K is doing, in my mind, is trying to turn dook into a NBA brand school name while still keeping the pedigree and high standards of the program. And as much as I hate to admit it, it's working. They're not that far behind UK in that regard. If they're cutting corners academically then we have yet to hear of it.

Make no mistake, if these OADs were coming to Carolina would any of us be complaining? No. I think it's hypocritical of us to be saying that we don't want these players coming here when Roy has recruited the same people as our rivals have. I'm not saying we should become like dook or Kentucky, but it's not shameful to go after that kind of talent or expect maybe one or two of them to come here. We're a blue blood for God's sake.

 

[carolinablue34]

In other news apparently we've been recruiting Brandon McCoy pretty hard, PJ Washington is expected to take an official visit to Chapel Hill in the fall, and we're even reaching out to Jarred Vanderbilt.

 

[gary-7]

What K is doing, in my mind, is trying to turn dook into a NBA brand school name while still keeping the pedigree and high standards of the program. And as much as I hate to admit it, it's working. They're not that far behind UK in that regard. If they're cutting corners academically then we have yet to hear of it.

Make no mistake, if these OADs were coming to Carolina would any of us be complaining? No. I think it's hypocritical of us to be saying that we don't want these players coming here when Roy has recruited the same people as our rivals have. I'm not saying we should become like dook or Kentucky, but it's not shameful to go after that kind of talent or expect maybe one or two of them to come here. We're a blue blood for God's sake.

Let's get real. They have cut academic corners for basketball players for a long time.
(and I can't wait for the comically apologist responses 5-4-3-2-...)

And there's a big difference between taking OAD players here and there and being willing to shelve and/or process out talented players you supposedly recruited in good faith in order to make room for the newest batch and relying on that for bursts of short-term gratification.

 

[Archer2]

What K is doing, in my mind, is trying to turn dook into a NBA brand school name while still keeping the pedigree and high standards of the program. And as much as I hate to admit it, it's working. They're not that far behind UK in that regard. If they're cutting corners academically then we have yet to hear of it.

Make no mistake, if these OADs were coming to Carolina would any of us be complaining? No. I think it's hypocritical of us to be saying that we don't want these players coming here when Roy has recruited the same people as our rivals have. I'm not saying we should become like dook or Kentucky, but it's not shameful to go after that kind of talent or expect maybe one or two of them to come here. We're a blue blood for God's sake.

We'll disagree on maintaining the same standards. If you want to win as many games as is humanly possible, K and Cal's approach is optimal. If winning isn't the end all, Roy's is best. Again, I prefer Roy's philosophy.

When he has OAD's coming and going every year, get back to me. I'll still feel the same.

 

[carolinablue34]

Let's get real. They have cut academic corners for basketball players for a long time.
(and I can't wait for the comically apologist responses 5-4-3-2-...)

And there's a big difference between taking OAD players here and there and being willing to shelve and/or process out talented players you supposedly recruited in good faith in order to make room for the newest batch and relying on that for bursts of short-term gratification.

Look gary I don't think it's ethical to accuse dook of cheating academically when there's no evidence for it. The minute a report comes in saying that players were ineligible or their degrees were horseshit, I'll make sure those smug *********** while never hear the end of it. But until that time, I'm not going to say they did anything that hasn't been proven.

Furthermore, dook and Uk are winning pretty consistently with this system. So I wouldn't call it short term gratification.












Watch the language,I've been lenient,but there are just some words I will not allow.Especially when women and kids read these comments.

 

[HeelFan58]

Look gary I don't think it's ethical to accuse dook of cheating academically when there's no evidence for it. The minute a report comes in saying that players were ineligible or their degrees were horseshit, I'll make sure those smug cocksuckers while never hear the end of it. But until that time, I'm not going to say they did anything that hasn't been proven.

Furthermore, dook and Uk are winning pretty consistently with this system. So I wouldn't call it short term gratification.

The 3 year sociology degree is at least horse manure. I wonder what the % is of athletes in that program?

 

[gary-7]

Look gary I don't think it's ethical to accuse dook of cheating academically when there's no evidence for it. The minute a report comes in saying that players were ineligible or their degrees were horseshit, I'll make sure those smug cocksuckers while never hear the end of it. But until that time, I'm not going to say they did anything that hasn't been proven.

Furthermore, dook and Uk are winning pretty consistently with this system. So I wouldn't call it short term gratification.

...and 3-2-1 there it is.
Nobody said "cheating". The fact is they have had star players taking nothing but "correspondence courses" in some terms --- something that if UNC did, the outcry would've been something like, oh wait... I think we know...
Hell, a couple of newspapers in state have done exposes on it, not to mention their sociology-for-jocks major... ah, but then they have that convenient luxury/shield of being a private school, i.e., 'nothing to see here... move along'...

So, unethical my ass.

And relying on OADs is repeated short-term gratification. dook hasn't been as reliant on that til recently as uk, but they seem to be getting there as K tries to cram as much glory as possible into his remaining time.

 

[ChapelHeeled]

...and 3-2-1 there it is.
Nobody said "cheating". The fact is they have had star players taking nothing but "correspondence courses" in some terms --- something that if UNC did, the outcry would've been something like, oh wait... I think we know...
Hell, a couple of newspapers in state have done exposes on it, not to mention their sociology-for-jocks major... ah, but then they have that convenient luxury/shield of being a private school, i.e., 'nothing to see here... move along'...

So, unethical my ass.

And relying on OADs is repeated short-term gratification. dook hasn't been as reliant on that til recently as uk, but they seem to be getting there as K tries to cram as much glory as possible into his remaining time.

Gary nails it again. Coach "K"ay was NOT known for any exceptional one and done talents, (continuously arriving at Duke), to speak of until LAST SEASON. Yeah they had Parker...and then...? So, anyone attempting to float the idea that Dook has always been this one and done destination for player after player is indeed full of Horsesh*t...Truth be told there are several people posting here who widely suggest and/or inaccurately attempt to tag UNC with the narrative that Dook is way ahead of UNC in this regard. They then also often state in one fashion or another, that since UNC can not get the very best talent, then UNC should look elsewhere. They conveniently have a list of lesser talents who Roy might have a shot at, if he is lucky. This board has become overrun with this line of horsesh*t in the past few months (imo)

 

[Sk1310]

...and 3-2-1 there it is.
Nobody said "cheating". The fact is they have had star players taking nothing but "correspondence courses" in some terms --- something that if UNC did, the outcry would've been something like, oh wait... I think we know...
Hell, a couple of newspapers in state have done exposes on it, not to mention their sociology-for-jocks major... ah, but then they have that convenient luxury/shield of being a private school, i.e., 'nothing to see here... move along'...

So, unethical my ass.

And relying on OADs is repeated short-term gratification. dook hasn't been as reliant on that til recently as uk, but they seem to be getting there as K tries to cram as much glory as possible into his remaining time.

Awesome post, and here is some of what you are referring to.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2003/jan/18/20030118-010354-8922r/

 

[gary-7]

Awesome post, and here is some of what you are referring to.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2003/jan/18/20030118-010354-8922r/

Yep. I forgot to mention the out-of-state ones ...

 

[carolinablue34]

Awesome post, and here is some of what you are referring to.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2003/jan/18/20030118-010354-8922r/

Oh come on, that was back in 2003. I'm not saying they don't have their stains and I don't view K as some sort of saint, he's not. He's actually quite ruthless.

And before anyone begins questioning my 'loyalty' I'll say for the record it's possible that dook isn't entirely clean. But why speculate hypotheticals? We need to focus on our own problems, not them.

 

[carolinablue34]

Gary nails it again. Coach "K"ay was NOT known for any exceptional one and done talents, (continuously arriving at Duke), to speak of until LAST SEASON. Yeah they had Parker...and then...? So, anyone attempting to float the idea that Dook has always been this one and done destination for player after player is indeed full of Horsesh*t...Truth be told there are several people posting here who widely suggest and/or inaccurately attempt to tag UNC with the narrative that Dook is way ahead of UNC in this regard. They then also often state in one fashion or another, that since UNC can not get the very best talent, then UNC should look elsewhere. They conveniently have a list of lesser talents who Roy might have a shot at, if he is lucky. This board has become overrun with this line of horsesh*t in the past few months (imo)

Why do you use different colored text with every post you use?

And yes you are correct that K was not known for reeling in that kind of talent for almost his entire career. But it's moving in that direction now and has been for the past 5 years or so. He got Kyrie Irving, who ended up hurt most of the year, then Austin Rivers, who was overrated, followed by Parker, Okafor, Winslow, Jones, Ingram, and now Giles, Tatum, and Jackson.

I never said dook was always a OAD destination, but the fact is they are now, while still being successful in the process. And in terms of recruiting, yes, they have done better than we have this decade. Don't try to bullshit and say otherwise.

I'm not Roy, so I don't know what his plans are for the future, but he's always going after the top guys, and it's my belief that sooner or later he'll get one. He's due.

That being said, it's a sad day when realism should be viewed as 'traitorous' or 'disloyal' and delusional fanaticism as 'fact' as you always so eloquently put it.

 

[gary-7]

Oh come on, that was back in 2003. I'm not saying they don't have their stains and I don't view K as some sort of saint, he's not. He's actually quite ruthless.

And before anyone begins questioning my 'loyalty' I'll say for the record it's possible that dook isn't entirely clean. But why speculate hypotheticals? We need to focus on our own problems, not them.

Good Lord, dude.
"speculate hypotheticals"?
Do you actually think that was an isolated report? (Hint: It was not.)

And that "apologist" thing I referenced above? --- I think you've pretty much got it covered.

 

[carolinablue34]

Good Lord, dude.
"speculate hypotheticals"?
Do you actually think that was an isolated report? (Hint: It was not.)

And that "apologist" thing I referenced above? --- I think you've pretty much got it covered.

Again, I'm not sure why you're labeling me an apologist. Who the hell am I apologizing for? I'm calling it how I see it. Duke has the current recruiting edge and our own has suffered due to the NCAA investigation and the perception that we are not a OAD school. That is the fact of the matter. You think I enjoy that fact? I despise the sheer smugness, and snark that our hated rivals possess. They're laughing at us, and I want nothing more than to shove it right back in their faces when the circumstances favor us again, as it will at some point in the future. I want to beat their collective asses next year and show them that having a bunch of freshman superstars won't always carry the day.

But what can you do besides wait for that time? We can't BS ourselves. We need to be lucid and reasonable about our present situation. And while we have a top 5 team waiting in the wings for next year, I'm anxious at how we will pull in top 50-60 guys in the 2017 class.

 

[Sk1310]

Again, I'm not sure why you're labeling me an apologist. Who the hell am I apologizing for? I'm calling it how I see it. Duke has the current recruiting edge and our own has suffered due to the NCAA investigation and the perception that we are not a OAD school. That is the fact of the matter. You think I enjoy that fact? I despise the sheer smugness, and snark that our hated rivals possess. They're laughing at us, and I want nothing more than to shove it right back in their faces when the circumstances favor us again, as it will at some point in the future. I want to beat their collective asses next year and show them that having a bunch of freshman superstars won't always carry the day.

But what can you do besides wait for that time? We can't BS ourselves. We need to be lucid and reasonable about our present situation. And while we have a top 5 team waiting in the wings for next year, I'm anxious at how we will pull in top 50-60 guys in the 2017 class.

Roy will get a great class, dont worry.

 

[gary-7]

Again, I'm not sure why you're labeling me an apologist. .

 

[ChapelHeeled]

Why do you use different colored text with every post you use?

And yes you are correct that K was not known for reeling in that kind of talent for almost his entire career. But it's moving in that direction now and has been for the past 5 years or so. He got Kyrie Irving, who ended up hurt most of the year, then Austin Rivers, who was overrated, followed by Parker, Okafor, Winslow, Jones, Ingram, and now Giles, Tatum, and Jackson.

I never said dook was always a OAD destination, but the fact is they are now, while still being successful in the process. And in terms of recruiting, yes, they have done better than we have this decade. Don't try to bullshit and say otherwise.

I'm not Roy, so I don't know what his plans are for the future, but he's always going after the top guys, and it's my belief that sooner or later he'll get one. He's due.

That being said, it's a sad day when realism should be viewed as 'traitorous' or 'disloyal' and delusional fanaticism as 'fact' as you always so eloquently put it.

Why do you use different colored text with every post you use?

And yes you are correct that K was not known for reeling in that kind of talent for almost his entire career. But it's moving in that direction now and has been for the past 5 years or so. He got Kyrie Irving, who ended up hurt most of the year, then Austin Rivers, who was overrated, followed by Parker, Okafor, Winslow, Jones, Ingram, and now Giles, Tatum, and Jackson.

I never said dook was always a OAD destination, but the fact is they are now, while still being successful in the process. And in terms of recruiting, yes, they have done better than we have this decade. Don't try to bullshit and say otherwise.

I'm not Roy, so I don't know what his plans are for the future, but he's always going after the top guys, and it's my belief that sooner or later he'll get one. He's due.

That being said, it's a sad day when realism should be viewed as 'traitorous' or 'disloyal' and delusional fanaticism as 'fact' as you always so eloquently put it.

First of all I need not get approval from a two month freshman filled with horsesh*t (jmho), on anything that I post here. As for the ink involved, well I use black and blue... It sort of reminds me of the Rolling Stones, Carolina and kickin' ass when I was younger... As for your self-appointed, infallible Horsesh*t posted, I actually find it rather amusing that you both post here and have even called out my screen name on your other favorite board (Keyser did say so indeed). Regardless, to post or not post on Dook boards, then to call me out over there when I have never even visited the nasty place, is both classless and inflammatory in all aspects. Your cute little crown is wearing thin on this poster. You know me not and it is best that it stay that way as you can hide behind a name that you made up and shout with abundance anything that you wish. Enjoy yourself all the more. Below you take Gary7 to task as well. Again as far as this poster is concerned you are nuisance personified. Then again that is just me. I am most certain that you are all mouth and absolutely void of substance where it counts. Have another and stop acting as if you are the elder statesman on this board. Gary7 and I have both forgotten more than you will ever know where the game of basketball is concerned. Enjoy oblivion while you can if you can. In due time you will no longer know the difference. Well now, it seems that may have already occurred in mass. So, how are the Dook boards doing today?

 

[carolinablue34]

First of all I need not get approval from a two month freshman filled with horsesh*t (jmho), on anything that I post here. As for the ink involved, well I use black and blue... It sort of reminds me of the Rolling Stones, Carolina and kickin' ass when I was younger... As for your self-appointed, infallible Horsesh*t posted, I actually find it rather amusing that you both post here and have even called out my screen name on your other favorite board (Keyser did say so indeed). Regardless, to post or not post on Dook boards, then to call me out over there when I have never even visited the nasty place, is both classless and inflammatory in all aspects. Your cute little crown is wearing thin on this poster. You know me not and it is best that it stay that way as you can hide behind a name that you made up and shout with abundance anything that you wish. Enjoy yourself all the more. Below you take Gary7 to task as well. Again as far as this poster is concerned you are nuisance personified. Then again that is just me. I am most certain that you are all mouth and absolutely void of substance where it counts. Have another and stop acting as if you are the elder statesman on this board. Gary7 and I have both forgotten more than you will ever know where the game of basketball is concerned. Enjoy oblivion while you can if you can. In due time you will no longer know the difference. Well now, it seems that may have already occurred in mass. So, how are the Dook boards doing today?

Hey buddy, you called me out first. Accusing me of being a dook fan, commenting on my every post, just because it didn't fit in with your narrative. And for the record, you're the one calling my posts "horseshit" not me.

I'm classless? That's rich. Throwing little veiled insults at me? Cute, very cute.

As for the rest of your post, I can hardly understand what it is you're trying to say. "Below you take Gary7 to task as well." The hell does that mean? "Gary7 and I have both forgotten more than you will ever know where the game of basketball is concerned. Enjoy oblivion while you can if you can." None of this makes any sense.

If you're trying to intimidate me or imply I shouldn't be posting, guess what? I'm not going to do that. I am free to make any opinion on here that I like and I don't really give a shit if I don't have a certain number of posts, I love Carolina basketball and I like discussing it with my fellow fans. Unfortunately, you happen to be among them.

You're acting as if I really give a damn about your ruffled feathers. You could have a million posts for all I care, doesn't make them any more realistic or intelligent.