I disagree and what I have already stated should explain why I do.
WTZ, was he EVER right about anything? I will NEVER forget him telling me how wrong I was on Troy Williams, he knew for a fact Troy was going to be a Tar Heel.
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I disagree and what I have already stated should explain why I do.
WTZ, was he EVER right about anything? I will NEVER forget him telling me how wrong I was on Troy Williams, he knew for a fact Troy was going to be a Tar Heel.
IMO, both Knox and Bamba are still early to really classify a "leader." Many people think Duke leads for both of them too but like I said earlier, I don't think Carter, Bamba, Knox, and Gak will all go to the same place. They could, just seems too crowded to me.
I think UNC will be a factor for Knox, but Duke, UK, and even FSU with the family ties may be options as well. Just too early in their recruitments to predict Knox or Bamba in my opinion.
I have to say it's blanket statements like this last one that draw fire. We may have very little chance of landing Carter, but until he says we're eliminated, we're not, right? These are young kids who can change their minds in a New York minute.
HST, I think the consensus that he's bound for UK or dook is correct.
FINALLY, not only something we can agree on but presented in a manner that is considerate! THANK YOU !
Now for some discussion and away from the spittin contest, I am not sold that Bamba and Carter will end up at the same school. IMO you get one of them the other eliminates that school, I know they have discussed playing together but I do not see that working out.
325, question for you, what is your opinion on carter as a power forward as opposed to a center? Reason I ask is clearly Knox is a power forward and IMO Bamba considers himself more a power forward than a center (seems to many IMO, of these kids do not want to be centers because the 4 in some way seems more glorified these days). I look at Ky and they look real strong to be able to snag Aytun (sp) the big kid 7ft center many suggest is the over all best talent in the class. If Ky snags Aytun, in your opinion, would that help or hurt Ky chances with carter, in your opinion does carter prefer to play the 4 or the 5 spot?
That is one of the main reasons I think Carter, Bamba, and Knox don't end up together. Duke is trying to pitch the idea of Knox at the 3, Carter at the 4, and Bamba at the 5. IMO, that creates spacing issues. Without trying to ruffle any more feathers.....I think Duke gets Carter and then maybe one of Knox/Bamba. Ideally, I would like Carter/Bamba with Carter as a 4. I think Carter views himself as a 4. Again, without being condescending or arrogant I don't think UK landing Ayton will have any affect on Carter bc I think he ends up in Durham. Hopefully that answers your questions.
I will try to choose my words carefully and state my opinion without disregarding anyone else's in future posts.
Ayton has the possibility of going pro just like Thon Maker. He claims he's going to college and Kansas is the only team recruiting him really hard.
I would venture to say that none of us would be surprised if Carter winds up at dook, or if they also sign either Bamba or Knox.
At this present point in time, Carolina appears to be in the in the hunt for Knox, Bamba, Tilmon, Washington, Mitchell Robinson, and I've heard Brandon McCoy in that discussion too.
One thing is for sure, getting two high ranked big men is a MUST for 2017 in order for us to remain competitive.
One thing is for sure, getting two high ranked big men is a MUST for 2017 in order for us to remain competitive.
I think we definitely need 2 quality bigs in that class, I'd be happier with 3.
All true but that's not what this is about, heelman. A difference of opinion is fine and a nice point of discussion. However the tidbits I passed on were reported as I got them, and to say I'm "incorrrect" infers they didn't happen.
Now he's walking back his language... ok whatever... there's still no genuine purpose in going to a rival board with that condescending tone.
As for Carter, some folks on here asked if we still had a chance now that the NOA is done. I put out a query down here in ATL and what I got back was a couple of credible people close to the situation here think that while dook leads, we are still in it. Nothing more, nothing less.
If Roy pulls the upset and gets Carter I'll be pleasantly surprised. dook obviously leads for his services --- but then I don't need any dookie to tell me that. And if Carter does in fact commit to dook that in NO way indicates Roy didn't make a good run. I know, I know... such an abstact concept seems to be beyond the comprehension of some on here, but it is what it is...
Same. 2 that can have an impact right away, and a lower ranked 3rd.
Imagine if we had Tilmon and Washington together? Or Robinson? That would be awesome.
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Yeah, we're looking great as far as wings. The four/five positions are crucial for this class!
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No prob. Would love to see roy pull the upset. He's due.
All true but that's not what this is about, heelman. A difference of opinion is fine and a nice point of discussion. However the tidbits I passed on were reported as I got them, and to say I'm "incorrrect" infers they didn't happen.
Now he's walking back his language... ok whatever... there's still no genuine purpose in going to a rival board with that condescending tone.
As for Carter, some folks on here asked if we still had a chance now that the NOA is done. I put out a query down here in ATL and what I got back was a couple of credible people close to the situation here think that while dook leads, we are still in it. Nothing more, nothing less.
If Roy pulls the upset and gets Carter I'll be pleasantly surprised. dook obviously leads for his services --- but then I don't need any dookie to tell me that. And if Carter does in fact commit to dook that in NO way indicates Roy didn't make a good run. I know, I know... such an abstact concept seems to be beyond the comprehension of some on here, but it is what it is...
No prob. Would love to see roy pull the upset. He's due.
Yea thats my point. Wtz was as about as right as flipping a coin. Lol. Yet to hear him talk about his "sources" you'd think he was in the loop. Either his sources enjoyed throwing him under the bus or wtz was fos.
Seriously. If anyone is due for a top recruit it's Roy. Don't know about the rest of you, but I'm desperate for that kind of player.
Duke could have a lot of bigs coming back for 2017-18. Which is to say that they could be in the place we've been in for a few years where top talent looks at their roster and asks "where's the playing time for me?"
Duke does have a couple of advantages that we didn't have. No NCAA cloud. And K is known to throw his current players under the bus to play new guys. So maybe it won't hurt them as much. But it's nevertheless the case that Roy finally has playing time and starting spots to offer. He's gotten top talent before when that happened.
My main concern is how much damage has been done by the NCAA nonsense and how quickly that cloud will be thoroughly dispelled.
That said, Roy needs to get a few more offers out there. We don't want to be late to the party on any of the top players.
Duke does have a couple of advantages that we didn't have. No NCAA cloud. And K is known to throw his current players under the bus to play new guys. So maybe it won't hurt them as much. But it's nevertheless the case that Roy finally has playing time and starting spots to offer. He's gotten top talent before when that happened.
My main concern is how much damage has been done by the NCAA nonsense and how quickly that cloud will be thoroughly dispelled.
That said, Roy needs to get a few more offers out there. We don't want to be late to the party on any of the top players.
....never has happened BTW... my own opinion about any Asshole here who slaps UNC in most ANY manner. now you just need enough sense to understand the difference...
Knox is NOT the other name. It's Gak. FWIW, I think you guys may actually have a chance with Knox, just not Carter.....See I can bring some good news for UNC
Also, I never said Gary was lying about his info. Just that it's incorrect. He says UNC has a chance, but they don't. Period.
So you damned sure know what your sources are saying is true.?! I guess that you are correct and win this now useless pissing contest...
He is "95% sure". Have to love when people talk so confident, then back track to leave a little room for error....
Lets ignore the last three useless posts and stay on recruiting.
To say WTZ was as accurate as flipping a coin deminishes the odds fo a coin flip, I would put his being right % like a clock, only right one out of 24! LOL
Seriously, you see people all the time claim sources but what they offer to some that actually do talk to some folks ya know they are FOS. Now I am not saying 325 is FOS, I understand what he is hearing and why and actually have a pretty good idea who he hears it from. And if it is who I think, that guy is pretty solid but he is also very pro duke just as I am very pro UNC as is gary. I confess, if I hear something that says UNC has a very outside shot at the kid then ya, I may well take that as a better shot than what it is. But everybody hedges to their own personal bias, that is just human nature. But don't be upset with me when I point out that we all do it and knowing that I suspect more positive duke spin from a dukie. To say UNC does not have any chance with Carter is spinning the truth to far to the dukie side, I don't think we have a great shot at the kid but we do have a better shot since the new NOA came out, that not being there early in his recruitment is what put us in a hole with him. Now I do think it is very likely to late for us to get all the way out of that hole, and I know for a fact that duke and Ky lead, looks to me like maybe a push for the kid right now between those 2 one & done factories.
Here is the other thing, we hear all this talk about the value of education with both Carter and Bamba, I hope everyone realizes that is smoke, what both of those guys value is getting to the NBA as quickly as they can. That is what they are both looking at, the business decision of who gives me the best opportunity to get to the league and get there having a very productive freshman college season so they can maximize their draft slot.
Our first having to not worry about post season bans is huge as well as wide open available PT for front court guys after this coming season and add to that experinced back court and the table is set for solid front court guys to come to us. Now the fly in the ointment is a carter wanting to package himself with a 2 guard or wing, the table is not so set for the little guy as it is for the big guy. Considering that carter is now saying he is going to pay at the same school as Trent would take us out if that is what he ends up doing. But sometimes these package deals fall apart in the end, sometimes they don't. Of course it reduces our chances, it does not eliminate our chances.
I could not agree more with this part. I haven't actually heard either say it , but I wonder if it was with a straight face?
Now back to recruiting, what I think is a more reasonable class for us in terms of being more like I expect, while not saying these will be the players we get. But I love the thoughts of Tillman, Mitchel Robinson (the is something I really like in the way this kid seems to play, I see a little Scott Williams in him), and PJ Washington. I don't see any of the 3 as one & done guys but IMO all 3 have huge upsides in our system.
The McCoy kid out of Cali is a take for sure and of course Bamba & Carter & Knox just not feeling it with those guys, I actually think our best chance is with Bamba or McCoy if we get more of a one & done level guy. But if we could snag the trio of Tillman, Robinson, and PJ, I would be very happy and over the top estatic if we could pull one of those other top shelf big men, I would LOVE a 4 big men haul to go along with Jalek.
I agree Tilmon , Robinson and Washington are our best bets with Knox as a possibility. I just don't feel it at all with Carter and very little with Bamba both talk mainly about other teams and McCoy being from Cal(our history with Cal recruits) and just haven't heard any real talk that we are in it.
Dave, I'm only gonna add this caution --- and if it comes to fruition anyway then well, that's on me: Nothing I've heard down here thus far points to KY being a real player for Carter. I was told last year his dad is not particularly fond of Calipari. I don't think Carter would even be considering KY if not for Trent. Now maybe something's changed since then, but I think people might just be reading too much into random comments in interviews without context. Also, I wouldn't dismiss the academic considerations so quickly. Of course if I'm wrong and either Carter or Bamba end up at KY then yeah, I guess the academic stuff was just so much BS...
I suspect you may have that backwards. Knox has gotten the big head and sees himself as a OAD. I would be more surprised to get him than any of the others we're talking about.
ya see man, now we discussing and not talking down to each other, I much prefer that! if I had to place a bet right now I would likely bet on Carter and Knox to you guys which means you would get Trent as well. But I do think Ky makes it real close.
Now some of it depends on when these kids commit, do they wait and see who stays and who goes from their top teams meaning they commit late, or do they commit early. I suspect a late commit would maybe benefit duke more than a early commit would. Reason I say that is I am expecting Ky to not have the kind of season folks seem to have to project them every year about this time. I think their season will be similar to last season if not a bit less. Where as duke would seem to have the pieces to have a solid run and I would think a much better comparrable season than Ky. The team that goes further bump so to speak, if Ky under achieves and I think they will then they could see their ability to select who they want to begin to fade a little.
Kids look at final 4 teams and national championship teams, it makes a huge impact, funny how winning does that! LOL That is why I would suggest where things are today are not nessessarily where they will be if a kid waits to commit late. I mean how would UNC look in the eyes of a recruit if we go back to the final 4 this season and being honest I do think we have a very good chance of doing just that, it could be a game changer for us in some of these kids eyes?
Dave, I'm only gonna add this caution --- and if it comes to fruition anyway then well, that's on me: Nothing I've heard down here thus far points to KY being a real player for Carter. I was told last year his dad is not particularly fond of Calipari. I don't think Carter would even be considering KY if not for Trent. Now maybe something's changed since then, but I think people might just be reading too much into random comments in interviews without context. Also, I wouldn't dismiss the academic considerations so quickly. Of course if I'm wrong and either Carter or Bamba end up at KY then yeah, I guess the academic stuff was just so much BS...
gary, out of Carter's own mouth was Ky leads for the package of he and Trent right now.
As for the education aspect, I just don't buy a kid that tells reporters how strongly he values the educational aspect of the school he will commit to play for in one breath and in the next show us all he is absolutely looking to be one & done. That means the kid will make a business decision, just as Bamba will and you can forget about harvard! LOL I assure you, no matter where those kids commit, it will be because they believe it helps them be one & done and maxes out their draft slot and they will worry about their education down the road.
Oh yeah... I saw that.
Just a cautionary tale there --- that is a favorably spun (for UK) second-hand amalgam of exactly the interviews we're been referencing (not that UK writers would ever do such a thing). That reference there to UK goes back to Carter saying they were above dook in producing NBA players, not that they were necessarily above dook in his recruiting. It's easy to spin things that were taken out of context in the first place.
This also speaks to a larger point: Wendell doesn't volunteer a lotta tangible information --- most of what some folks are hanging hats on are responses to questions that, let's be real, have narratives behind them. Wendell might very well be trolling some recruiting folks a bit as well --- jes sayin'.
As much as I hate it, what I've heard that I trust (and that is not from the recruiting reporters) is that dook leads, with us still in it as a long-time favorite that got damaged by the junk, and watch out for Shaka as a dark horse. Carter and Trent could end up together at dook but I haven't seen anything credible yet that has that happening anywhere else.
All ahm sayin' is that my ear is still to the ground on this one. We shall see............
To say that signing Tillman, Robinson, and PJ would make me ecstatic would be an understatement.
Agree with most of what you said. I expect Carter and Gak to commit early and Knox and Bamba to wait until later. So lots of people say that Duke is the leader for Knox and Bamba right now, and we may be, but that could change once one of those guys commit as you said. I know Bamba and his family are open about being Duke fans but that does not always mean they are a lock to that school. If Knox commits first, will Bamba decide it's too crowded and look elsewhere? And vice versa if Bamba commits first. Also, both of those guys are still early and more open in their recruitment than Carter is so things can change with Knox/Bamba.
For UNC, I think 2017 is a very important class. I think you guys will start picking up more players in 2018 and if Roy can grab some good players in 2017 that will help fill the gap so you guys don't have a drop off in talent for a year. I will try to word this "softly"......I think UNC will get some good players in 2017 but not any of the top of the guys (Carter, Knox, Bamba). I could be wrong obviously, but I think you have much better chances with the likes of Platek, Tilmon, Washington, etc. And that's not a terrible thing, those are good players and would fit in well at UNC.
https://www.sny.tv/college-recruiti...definitely-going-to-school-together/180951488
This is the article they were talking about on the Ky-centric site, pretty clearly says Ky leads right now. That is from a NY based writer writing for a NY based publication. So Ky is clearly involved and from his lips leads for now.
Whispers I hear, Kalipari really wants Ayton but does not know if Ayton will play college ball, he is trying to see if he will or not before he offers in fear that an offer to Ayton could chase Carter and Bamba away and don't forget Ky is working Vanderbilt as well but more as a 4. Thing is my understanding is BOTH Carter and Bamba themselves think they are 4's. That is why I see duke as the favorite because if they can hold on to Bolden they have a center and Carter can play the 4 and plenty room for Trent. But would Knox go along with carter when they both want to be 4s? I don't think so and IMO that could push one or the other back to us, especially if we can get back to the final 4 and Tony is back for his soph season. K is trying to sell that his 4s and 5s are basically 4s with no center and is pointing to Parker being able to step outside to jump shoot. However Roy can sell Tony is our center big man, we need YOU to be our 4, which has to be carefully played considering PJ and Knox. My opinion, Bamba is listening to us more than carter AND Bamba likes the way we used Brice this past season.
As for Harvard, while he seems to hold that fantasy I am not aware that Trent is talking or in any way involved with Harvard, I would question if he has Harvard grades. And yet Carter talks about the package deal is 100% on the table but so is Harvard? Ya can't have it both ways, either he goes to a school Trent can get a scholly from ( by the way, how many open schollys does Harvard have
) or he packages himself with Trent and eliminates Harvard. So in the very same short interview the kid says 2 polar opposite things and some of us think we may know what this kid is going to do? He himself clearly doesn't know so how the heck can we? And for even more fun click the link on Trent's name and see another interview from the same pub, he says the package deal is 100% on the table, note the term "on the table", by definition means isn't finalized, is not a done deal, when it becomes a done deal or becomes a dead deal it comes off the table. If it were carved in stone I would have expected him to say done deal, not that it is still on the table.
Actually, l would be VERY happy with that class 325 if we could add Robinson to it and I think we have a good chance at that.
I get the feeling carter will be a late commit rather than an early one, he seems all over the place right now, I think Knox is more likely to commit early. Trent says he isn't thinking about recruiting right now so both he & carter seem a little slow (as in really focused on where they will play college ball) to be thought of as early commits.
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