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Who will be our next commit?????

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Nope, everything is just fine and dandy. We have only beaten dook 4 times this decade! And we don't need those silly OADs, they're overrated, we don't want them anyway, we never wanted them. Who needs nattys? As the brilliant coach McGrath stated, we win more regular season championships! Because that's what really matters in the end right?
 
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Right. A stupid Dos Equis gif.

Nope, everything is just fine and dandy. We have only beaten dook 4 times this decade! And we don't need those silly OADs, they're overrated, we don't want them anyway, we never wanted them. Who needs nattys? As the brilliant coach McGrath stated, we win more regular season championships! Because that's what really matters in the end right?

In the lsst 12 years, we have 2 national titles. 4 final four appearances, 7 elite eight appearances.7 ACC regular season titles, 3 tournament titles. Even through the junk, made it to the national title game this past season and are bringing back a top 10 team that should compete for another national.championship. the junk seemingly behind us. Everything is looking good for me. yet all you do is get worked up over the 2017 class, acting like we will get no one. when only a few kids have even commited. One being our very own Jalek Felton. We get it, your obsessed with OAD kids, you dont need to keep saying the same crap recycled. Roy will get a monster class, 5 OAD or 0 OAD
 
In the lsst 12 years, we have 2 national titles. 4 final four appearances, 7 elite eight appearances.7 ACC regular season titles, 3 tournament titles. Even through the junk, made it to the national title game this past season and are bringing back a top 10 team that should compete for another national.championship. the junk seemingly behind us. Everything is looking good for me. yet all you do is get worked up over the 2017 class, acting like we will get no one. when only a few kids have even commited. One being our very own Jalek Felton. We get it, your obsessed with OAD kids, you dont need to keep saying the same crap recycled. Roy will get a monster class, 5 OAD or 0 OAD

This is partly due to my nature. I'm not a patient person sometimes to a fault. I want to see results from the 2017 class and I want someone who is top 10-15 to commit. Jalek was a good start but we need big men.

And don't think I'm not proud of what we've accomplished in those years. What I'm really driving at is the past 5 years- 3 elite eight appearances, 3 ACC regular season titles, 1 National championship appearance, 1 Final Four appearance, 1 ACC tournament title, Not bad considering just how competitive the conference has gotten. Even so, I just want to kick the hell out of dook, who currently have 2 nattys this decade and have beaten us 11-4 in head to head matchups.

I'm not obsessed with OAD kids. What I'm saying is that some on here deny that they are important, or that they aren't good for our system, or that we don't need them. Because if we were getting them, no one on this board would be complaining. Not a soul. I'm not even saying we need to be like Kentucky, just get back to the way it was before this mess started.
 
This is partly due to my nature. I'm not a patient person sometimes to a fault. I want to see results from the 2017 class and I want someone who is top 10-15 to commit. Jalek was a good start but we need big men.

And don't think I'm not proud of what we've accomplished in those years. What I'm really driving at is the past 5 years- 3 elite eight appearances, 3 ACC regular season titles, 1 National championship appearance, 1 Final Four appearance, 1 ACC tournament title, Not bad considering just how competitive the conference has gotten. Even so, I just want to kick the hell out of dook, who currently have 2 nattys this decade and have beaten us 11-4 in head to head matchups.

I'm not obsessed with OAD kids. What I'm saying is that some on here deny that they are important, or that they aren't good for our system, or that we don't need them. Because if we were getting them, no one on this board would be complaining. Not a soul. I'm not even saying we need to be like Kentucky, just get back to the way it was before this mess started.

No one is saying we don't want a one & done guy, IMO most are saying in fact we do want some one & done talents but we don't want to change what we do just to cater to the one & done talent. Nor do we want this program to resort to having to meet the demands of handlers, make back room deals, or devalue our upper classmen just to make the high school kid happy enough to play for us.

If you are a mega basketball talented kid I would think that the best way to really become the best NBA player you can become one day is to learn to develop the talent that you have. I think if you want to become the best doctor you can become that maybe isn't going to happen with just one freshman year in college. I for the life of me wil never understand why the NBA does this and make no mistake this whole thing is NBA driven. The NBA put in the one & done rule, the NBA put in the rookie salary cap structure, the NBA features its individual players more than teams, and the NBA is drafting these kids and by the time they can become productive players they are striking new contracts with teas that did not draft them? It to me is like paying for a brand new Porche 911 and not being able to drive it until it has 200,000 miles on it and worn out? You are not getting what you paid for, you NBA GM wil be paying the price and one of your competitors gets the developed goods? This is the very same NBA that pays huge money for its NBADL which they used to get for FREE, yeah thats right, they used to get their NBADL for FREE, they called it the NCAA. So these mensa members of the NBA decided why get something free when you can pay for it? They took a system that was working perfectly for them, the very system that moved their sport from peach baskets to mega dollar profit generators and added un-needed debt while greatly watering down their free developmental league so they could all play with lesser developed players than ever before? It is to me the very opposite of what defines a good business decision for individual teams as well as the league itself?

And all the NBA ever had to do was just not draft these kids until they had matured themselves and their skills in the free developmental league named the NCAA and they could not keep themselves from doing that.
 
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This is partly due to my nature. I'm not a patient person sometimes to a fault. I want to see results from the 2017 class and I want someone who is top 10-15 to commit. Jalek was a good start but we need big men.

And don't think I'm not proud of what we've accomplished in those years. What I'm really driving at is the past 5 years- 3 elite eight appearances, 3 ACC regular season titles, 1 National championship appearance, 1 Final Four appearance, 1 ACC tournament title, Not bad considering just how competitive the conference has gotten. Even so, I just want to kick the hell out of dook, who currently have 2 nattys this decade and have beaten us 11-4 in head to head matchups.

I'm not obsessed with OAD kids. What I'm saying is that some on here deny that they are important, or that they aren't good for our system, or that we don't need them. Because if we were getting them, no one on this board would be complaining. Not a soul. I'm not even saying we need to be like Kentucky, just get back to the way it was before this mess started.



Well, in your previous post you displayed your disappointment. Those accolades you are mentioning, all with the junk over the program. Used against us in recruiting, kids in fear of a ban. Now that it looks to be behind us, watch out. Roy is going to do work. 0 big man have committed from the 2017 class. Give it more time until panicking.
 
Gary nails it again. Coach "K"ay was NOT known for any exceptional one and done talents, (continuously arriving at Duke), to speak of until LAST SEASON. Yeah they had Parker...and then...? So, anyone attempting to float the idea that Dook has always been this one and done destination for player after player is indeed full of Horsesh*t...Truth be told there are several people posting here who widely suggest and/or inaccurately attempt to tag UNC with the narrative that Dook is way ahead of UNC in this regard. They then also often state in one fashion or another, that since UNC can not get the very best talent, then UNC should look elsewhere. They conveniently have a list of lesser talents who Roy might have a shot at, if he is lucky. This board has become overrun with this line of horsesh*t in the past few months (imo)
Rivers, Okafor, Jones, , Irving, Winslow, Deng?
 
Oh, I think the message of the ol' most interesting man there was pretty clear and spot on.
He's trying to tell ya you're losing credibility by the post, bubba.

Hmm that's funny. I didn't know that disagreeing with the wise and all powerful Gary made me lose credibility. Then again, I wouldn't use you as a measuring stick for what's credible.
 
I took the easy way out and ignored the ignoramus you all are discussing. It certainly makes this board more enjoyable to me. I prefer the mix of potential stars and role players Roy employs much more than either ratty's or Cal's methods. I also like being comfortable with the honesty and integrity of my coaching staff, but to each his own.

It would be nice if at least one thread managed to remain on topic, but sometimes I dream too much! I expect us to get at least 2 bigs in '17 and a top 5 class!

My name is Glenn and I stand behind ALL my comments.
 
I took the easy way out and ignored the ignoramus you all are discussing. It certainly makes this board more enjoyable to me. I prefer the mix of potential stars and role players Roy employs much more than either ratty's or Cal's methods. I also like being comfortable with the honesty and integrity of my coaching staff, but to each his own.

It would be nice if at least one thread managed to remain on topic, but sometimes I dream too much! I expect us to get at least 2 bigs in '17 and a top 5 class!

My name is Glenn and I stand behind ALL my comments.

yepp well DREAM ON GLENN, your post didnt address the thread topic either.
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Hmm that's funny. I didn't know that disagreeing with the wise and all powerful Gary made me lose credibility. Then again, I wouldn't use you as a measuring stick for what's credible.
Ha! Just tryin' to help ya out. You're more than welcome to your opinions (and a cursory read of the thread will show nobody has said otherwise :rolleyes:), but I think you know damned well that's not what this is about. It's about you acting as dook's apologist-in-chief and then deflecting anytime you get called out for it.
Period.

(another deflection coming in, wait for it, 5-4-3-2-...) :eek:
 
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A related question is WHEN will we get our next commit?

IIRC, ALL of our rising juniors had already committed by this point in their recruiting cycle. Yes, that was earlier than usual, but still....

I'd like to see at least 2 and preferably 3 more commits before the end of August. At least 1 before August. Then we can wait to see who else joins later in the year. Which may depend on how well some of our current players are developing (and whether they look likely to leave early).
 
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Hmm that's funny. I didn't know that disagreeing with the wise and all powerful Gary made me lose credibility. Then again, I wouldn't use you as a measuring stick for what's credible.
How dare you.

You're more than welcome to your opinions (and a cursory read of the thread will show nobody has said otherwise :rolleyes:)....
Actually, this thread proves exactly the opposite. Anyone here who dares to voice a contrary opinion is immediately shouted down by the usual suspects. And people wonder why this board keeps having the same argument ad infinitum....
 
How dare you.

Actually, this thread proves exactly the opposite. Anyone here who dares to voice a contrary opinion is immediately shouted down by the usual suspects. And people wonder why this board keeps having the same argument ad infinitum....

It's annoying same old same old. "I WANT A 5 STAR OAD FOR 2017 RIGHT NOW ALTHOUGH ONLY 3 PLAYERS FROM THE CLASS HAVE COMMITTED!!!". Start crying in a few months. Stop wasting my time.
 
Ha! Just tryin' to help ya out. You're more than welcome to your opinions (and a cursory read of the thread will show nobody has said otherwise :rolleyes:), but I think you know damned well that's not what this is about. It's about you acting as dook's apologist-in-chief and then deflecting anytime you get called out for it.
Period.

(another deflection coming in, wait for it, 5-4-3-2-...) :eek:

You're equating the fact that I'm not overly concerned with dook's supposed 'infractions' with me supporting them. I don't. Everything you mentioned could well be true. They probably do have an advantage given their private school status in terms of deflecting away bad press or potential investigations.

The issue here is that you and your other little minions feel the need to jump on me when I don't fall in line with the standard thinking on this board (which I might add, is decisively lacking).
 
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It's annoying same old same old. "I WANT A 5 STAR OAD FOR 2017 RIGHT NOW ALTHOUGH ONLY 3 PLAYERS FROM THE CLASS HAVE COMMITTED!!!". Start crying in a few months. Stop wasting my time.

Don't exaggerate. I'm perfectly aware that we're still a ways away from most of these kids making their decisions. It's the fact that given our past history with OADs the last 3-4 years I'm not exactly getting my hopes up, while simultaneously desiring one of them to commit here.

And we only have 1 commit so far.
 
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It's annoying same old same old. "I WANT A 5 STAR OAD FOR 2017 RIGHT NOW ALTHOUGH ONLY 3 PLAYERS FROM THE CLASS HAVE COMMITTED!!!". Start crying in a few months. Stop wasting my time.

It really is the same run around. It's someone wondering if and/or when we'll get another top recruit. Then someone else gives a ambiguous tidbit like "oh well my sources say player X is much closer to UNC than the media would have you know". Then player X commits to Duke. Then we hear a tidbit "oh well I never guaranteed player X to UNC so you can't jump on me - but player Y is now having a falling out with the schools recruiting him, and I've heard UNC is really gaining steam" then player Y commits to UK. Then we hear yet another tidbit "Well, truth be told Roy never had interest in players X and Y because they don't fit the style, but Player Z fits perfectly and is now Roy's sole focus - his family is in love with Roy - only a matter of time til he commits" then player Z commits to Kansas.

There's only so many kicks to the groin I can take getting lead on with all these potential commitments.
 
Ha! Just tryin' to help ya out. You're more than welcome to your opinions (and a cursory read of the thread will show nobody has said otherwise :rolleyes:), but I think you know damned well that's not what this is about. It's about you acting as dook's apologist-in-chief and then deflecting anytime you get called out for it.
Period.

(another deflection coming in, wait for it, 5-4-3-2-...) :eek:



Duke promotion machine in action, Gar (jmho)... Several others have recently come here to disingenuously affect the pro-UNC content that this board used to have. It is now much the SAME as TOS (jmho). Keep up the good work and I am certain that you will indeed hear all about things to do with UNC becoming second rate...
 
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A related question is WHEN will we get our next commit?

IIRC, ALL of our rising juniors had already committed by this point in their recruiting cycle. Yes, that was earlier than usual, but still....

I'd like to see at least 2 and preferably 3 more commits before the end of August. At least 1 before August. Then we can wait to see who else joins later in the year. Which may depend on how well some of our current players are developing (and whether they look likely to leave early).
July should be quite an interesting month, what with the evaluation period cranked back up and then Peach Jam coming the last weekend of the month. Hopefully you'll get your wish.
 
Don't exaggerate. I'm perfectly aware that we're still a ways away from most of these kids making their decisions. It's the fact that given our past history with OADs the last 3-4 years I'm not exactly getting my hopes up, while simultaneously desiring one of them to commit here.

And we only have 1 commit so far.




Black, Felton, Bradley makes THREE wise guy...
 
Duke promotion machine in action, Gar (jmho)... Several others have recently come here to disingenuously affect the pro-UNC content that this board used to have. It is now much the SAME as TOS (jmho). Keep up the good work and I am certain that you will indeed hear all about things to do with UNC becoming second rate...

Gary are you seriously not repulsed by this guy? He's like a lapdog and a broken record at the same time.
 
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How dare you.

Actually, this thread proves exactly the opposite. Anyone here who dares to voice a contrary opinion is immediately shouted down by the usual suspects. And people wonder why this board keeps having the same argument ad infinitum....
The only thing "shouted down" from my end was the knee-jerk defense of dook. Reading is hard I suppose, which is more often why this board keeps having the same argument ad infinitum....
 
Hey bud only one of those is for 2017. Bradley committed back in September for the 2016 class. And Rechon Black is for 2018. Nice try.




Nice Try...? You are a dombaasss as well. Three on board, who have YET to suit up for UNC does NOT equate to YOUR math saying UNC only has one... You are in the with the Duke-apologist program here as I totally agree with Gary7...
 
Nice Try...? You are a dombaasss as well. Three on board, who have YET to suit up for UNC does NOT equate to YOUR math saying UNC only has one... You are in the with the Duke-apologist program here as I totally agree with Gary7...

Tell me, how does it feel to lick his boots 24/7? Are they tasty?

In this thread, I am talking about the 2017 class. Not the 2016 or the 2018 class. The one that is upcoming. For the 2017 class, we have ONE commit by the name of Jalek Felton.

I'm a 'dombaasss' eh? Coming from the person who didn't even spell it right.
 
Gary are you seriously not repulsed by this guy? He's like a lapdog and a broken record at the same time.
Every poster has their own style. I for one have no issue with his, and might not have any with yours except for the dook stuff. Having differences and discussions about recruiting preferences and such is ideally the sort of thing this board oughta be about, but all I've been trying to get across is that when something (especially something that is fairly common knowledge around here) is posted about dook's sketchy and/or hypocritical practices, jumping to their defense is not likely to go over well. Jes sayin...
 
The only thing "shouted down" from my end was the knee-jerk defense of dook. Reading is hard I suppose, which is more often why this board keeps having the same argument ad infinitum....
Gary, you are such a condescending jackass to anyone on this board who doesn't pat you on the back and metaphorically kiss your ass. It would behoove you to stop talking shit to every poster who disagrees with you, especially those like @Raising Heel who contribute a whole hell of a lot to this site's forum community (there's more boards to this site than just Tar Heel Radar) yet have long stopped posting on Radar because of you and your disciples' incessant need to belittle anyone, Carolina fan or no, who has a different opinion than you.

State your recruiting tidbits / insight / conjecture and let others state theirs. You are not king of this board.
 
The only thing "shouted down" from my end was the knee-jerk defense of dook.
And why shouldn't a UNC poaster be allowed to defend dook if he so chooses? Didn't you just say that everyone is "more than welcome to your opinions?" (You did.)

Reading is hard I suppose, which is more often why this board keeps having the same argument ad infinitum....
No, this board keeps having the same argument because of your constant condescension that's evidenced in the above poast. Your very, very first comment in this thread was to condescend to @Bur-Heel, who merely asked a simple question about Felton's commitment. You responded like he was an idiot for even asking.

There's a common thread here, but you seem to lack the introspection to acknowledge it despite having it pointed out repeatedly.
 
Every poster has their own style. I for one have no issue with his, and might not have any with yours except for the dook stuff. Having differences and discussions about recruiting preferences and such is ideally the sort of thing this board oughta be about, but all I've been trying to get across is that when something (especially something that is fairly common knowledge around here) is posted about dook's sketchy and/or hypocritical practices, jumping to their defense is not likely to go over well. Jes sayin...

Style?? He has no style. He's an echo chamber for everything you say.

He went after me long before you and I had a disagreement over this. I know you deem anyone who doesn't completely degrade dook as an apologist or supporter, but in my opinion, it's petty, useless and downright hypocritical of us to be slamming dook for their academic practices when we're coming off a pretty damn serious investigation.
 
Gary, you are such a condescending jackass to anyone on this board who doesn't pat you on the back and metaphorically kiss your ass. It would behoove you to stop talking shit to every poster who disagrees with you, especially those like @Raising Heel who contribute a whole hell of a lot to this site's forum community (there's more boards to this site than just Tar Heel Radar) yet have long stopped posting on Radar because of you and your disciples' incessant need to belittle anyone, Carolina fan or no, who has a different opinion than you.

State your recruiting tidbits / insight / conjecture and let others state theirs. You are not king of this board.
Never said I was, or anything resembling that. And "disciples"? Seriously?
 
You're equating the fact that I'm not overly concerned with dook's supposed 'infractions' with me supporting them. I don't. Everything you mentioned could well be true. They probably do have an advantage given their private school status in terms of deflecting away bad press or potential investigations.

The issue here is that you and your other little minions feel the need to jump on me when I don't fall in line with the standard thinking on this board (which I might add, is decisively lacking).

Hey, I have an amazing idea, I just figured it out, you and gary don't really like each other and do not respect each others opinions. (OK, so maybe I or anyone else reading thru this stuff didn't JUST figure that out)...

So what if the 2 of you just stopped replying to each other? That way one will not escalate and the other feel the need to counter back even harder? Either find a place where you can at least some what discuss with each other or just don't talk to each other. Nothing says gary has to comment on anything you say and you surely do not have to comment on what he says. Put each other on ignor and move on.
 
Never said I was, or anything resembling that. And "disciples"? Seriously?

Bullshit. It is clear to everyone that you think you are a better fan, more knowledgable about basketball tactics and strategy, recruiting and UNC.

If you don't think you behave in this fashion, then have you considered giving a thought as to why other people do? Although given that you ignore people when they show you in your poasts where you do just that, I am guessing introspection isn't a strong suit.
 
Never said I was, or anything resembling that. And "disciples"? Seriously?
Gary, you are such a condescending jackass to anyone on this board who doesn't pat you on the back and metaphorically kiss your ass. It would behoove you to stop talking shit to every poster who disagrees with you, especially those like @Raising Heel who contribute a whole hell of a lot to this site's forum community (there's more boards to this site than just Tar Heel Radar) yet have long stopped posting on Radar because of you and your disciples' incessant need to belittle anyone, Carolina fan or no, who has a different opinion than you.

State your recruiting tidbits / insight / conjecture and let others state theirs. You are not king of this board.

First I am wondering who gary's disciples are? Am I someone's disciple because I try to find common ground with gary? I thought we were all or at least mostly Tar Heel fans so common ground should not be this hard to find.

TarHeelNation11 " you are such a condescending jackass". " It would behoove you to stop talking shit to every poster who disagrees with you". THN11, man that was uncalled for, if you were trying to settle things down calling people names is not the way to do it. I like you, you are a reasonable guy, we don't always agree but we don't have to agree. But you do not get someone to show you respect by being dis-respectful. Gary needs to learn that lesson for sure and even thou he is my friend and I personally love him being a bit crusty he could for sure tone it down and understand people do not have to agree with him and those that do not are not often going to change their minds and never will if they feel you speak to them with dis-respect.

Fact is I don't always agree with gary but I don't ever recall he & I have crossed words or even tense words. I believe that is the case because I treat him with respect and expect respect back from him and that is always there. I see a lot of dis-respect going on but it isn't just coming from gary.

TRUTH, there are times my temper gets the best of me and I fire back at someone dis-respectfully, not by accident either, you should see some of the things I have written and then elected to just erase, I can get over the top fired up in a minute. But when calm back down, if I was out of line, I try to acknowledge that and I try to find some common ground that begins with being respectful and expecting respect in return. I don't have to like you and you don't have to like me, but we should be respectful. And when you are respectful it is amazing how jack arses like gary actually can become your friend, I know, I have had just that happen many times. And yes, gary is my friend!
 
Tell me, how does it feel to lick his boots 24/7? Are they tasty?

In this thread, I am talking about the 2017 class. Not the 2016 or the 2018 class. The one that is upcoming. For the 2017 class, we have ONE commit by the name of Jalek Felton.

I'm a 'dombaasss' eh? Coming from the person who didn't even spell it right.

I'm pretty certain he has zero clue what players are in what class (jmho)..
 
First I am wondering who gary's disciples are? Am I someone's disciple because I try to find common ground with gary? I thought we were all or at least mostly Tar Heel fans so common ground should not be this hard to find.

TarHeelNation11 " you are such a condescending jackass". " It would behoove you to stop talking shit to every poster who disagrees with you". THN11, man that was uncalled for, if you were trying to settle things down calling people names is not the way to do it. I like you, you are a reasonable guy, we don't always agree but we don't have to agree. But you do not get someone to show you respect by being dis-respectful. Gary needs to learn that lesson for sure and even thou he is my friend and I personally love him being a bit crusty he could for sure tone it down and understand people do not have to agree with him and those that do not are not often going to change their minds and never will if they feel you speak to them with dis-respect.

Fact is I don't always agree with gary but I don't ever recall he & I have crossed words or even tense words. I believe that is the case because I treat him with respect and expect respect back from him and that is always there. I see a lot of dis-respect going on but it isn't just coming from gary.

TRUTH, there are times my temper gets the best of me and I fire back at someone dis-respectfully, not by accident either, you should see some of the things I have written and then elected to just erase, I can get over the top fired up in a minute. But when calm back down, if I was out of line, I try to acknowledge that and I try to find some common ground that begins with being respectful and expecting respect in return. I don't have to like you and you don't have to like me, but we should be respectful. And when you are respectful it is amazing how jack arses like gary actually can become your friend, I know, I have had just that happen many times. And yes, gary is my friend!

So basically you just said that Gary is a condescending jackass but that we should respect him anyways.
 
Style?? He has no style. He's an echo chamber for everything you say.

He went after me long before you and I had a disagreement over this. I know you deem anyone who doesn't completely degrade dook as an apologist or supporter, but in my opinion, it's petty, useless and downright hypocritical of us to be slamming dook for their academic practices when we're coming off a pretty damn serious investigation.
I point out the dookie hypocrisy of accusing UNC basketball of academic misconduct when they have regularly bent academic rules for basketball players, and take exception to someone defending that --- on a Carolina board, no less --- and I catch sh**. Alrighty then.

Look. I'm done with this. Please don't bring me into your ongoing feud with whoever. Hell, I wasn't even aware of anything you might have posted or not elsewhere until y'all got into it ITT. I'm not a dadgummed mod for f***sake, so that's between y'all.

I'm getting more than a little tired of people blaming me for what someone else posts or believes.
 
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