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Okay the day has finally come.... Trump did something today that I was actually happy to see. He went to Louisiana to see how to help the flood victims. Was it just for show? Maybe, but he made some effort when Hillary and Obama did nothing. It's strange that this story about the floods is not headlining the news but the Olympics have been. Must be the reason I had not heard about the Wisconsin riots.

If he would get on top of actual issues and stop the childish stuff he has been known to do, he might have a chance. I really hope to see him, Hillary and Johnson in the debates. The first one is September 23 I believe.

Okay, you may now go ahead and faint! lol
 
I don't think it is strange to choose him over her... I think it is strange to choose either one of them over Johnson, Stein or anyone for that matter. I am not a criminal like her.

I just wonder why anyone who thinks I am the dumbest, most whiney person on this board can support the same in a person running the country. I will never, ever support Hillary! EVER!
I wouldn't expect you to choose anything over "Johnson".
 
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Okay the day has finally come.... Trump did something today that I was actually happy to see. He went to Louisiana to see how to help the flood victims. Was it just for show? Maybe, but he made some effort when Hillary and Obama did nothing. It's strange that this story about the floods is not headlining the news but the Olympics have been. Must be the reason I had not heard about the Wisconsin riots.

If he would get on top of actual issues and stop the childish stuff he has been known to do, he might have a chance. I really hope to see him, Hillary and Johnson in the debates. The first one is September 23 I believe.

Okay, you may now go ahead and faint! lol
Obama certainly did do something. He played golf and after all these rounds still sucks at it. Hillary was doing the same thing she did during Benghazi , whatever that was.
 
Okay the day has finally come.... Trump did something today that I was actually happy to see. He went to Louisiana to see how to help the flood victims. Was it just for show? Maybe, but he made some effort when Hillary and Obama did nothing. It's strange that this story about the floods is not headlining the news but the Olympics have been. Must be the reason I had not heard about the Wisconsin riots.

If he would get on top of actual issues and stop the childish stuff he has been known to do, he might have a chance. I really hope to see him, Hillary and Johnson in the debates. The first one is September 23 I believe.

Okay, you may now go ahead and faint! lol

Someone has gotten in Trumps ear. He actually almost apologized for some of the stupid ish he's spewed and the visit to Louisiana is going to pay some dividends. Meanwhile, Hillary's camp has written a pretty press release and I expect her to be in the wetlands soon to play catch up. I also have enjoyed seeing obummer skewered over his total pass on the disaster after the way he blasted Bush while a Congressman in the aftermath of Katrina.
 
The media is only propping up one.
right... sure they are.

You remind me of when I'm listening to Sean Hannity, or Dennis Prager, or Michael Medved, or any of the other right-wing mouthpieces talking about ANY issue that they are outraged over. They always preclude, or follow-up their outrage with "...and the MEDIA never mentions this or covers this!" And, I always say, out loud, "Hey! Sean! YOU ARE THE MEDIA, TOO!" He knows he's the media. I think we established that Fox News was the most-watched news channel. That is the media as well.
 
right... sure they are.

You remind me of when I'm listening to Sean Hannity, or Dennis Prager, or Michael Medved, or any of the other right-wing mouthpieces talking about ANY issue that they are outraged over. They always preclude, or follow-up their outrage with "...and the MEDIA never mentions this or covers this!" And, I always say, out loud, "Hey! Sean! YOU ARE THE MEDIA, TOO!" He knows he's the media. I think we established that Fox News was the most-watched news channel. That is the media as well.

The thing with those guys and the media is similar to what we deal with around here, if you ask anyone about something Trump said, did or lied about, the only answer you get is them pointing out how Hillary does it and is worse. I think those of us that aren't into either and unless one of them steps up and shows some true leadership skills, apologizes for all of their crooked crap, the ones teetering on the fence might just go 3rd party rather than feel lousy about voting for them. They could win some people over if they'd both stop pointing fingers and show us HOW you're gonna get this crap fixed.

I listened to one of those conservative radio guys today while driving and it made me sick because he wouldn't answer a question, he'd just turn it around to bash the other side and that is getting as much accomplished as some of the other idiots in the country who think rioting and burning down your city will make people just give you their money....same stupid mentality.
 
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The thing with those guys and the media is similar to what we deal with around here, if you ask anyone about something Trump said, did or lied about, the only answer you get is them pointing out how Hillary does it and is worse. I think those of us that aren't into either and unless one of them steps up and shows some true leadership skills, apologizes for all of their crooked crap, the ones teetering on the fence might just go 3rd party rather than feel lousy about voting for them. They could win some people over if they'd both stop pointing fingers and show us HOW you're gonna get this crap fixed.

I listened to one of those conservative radio guys today while driving and it made me sick because he wouldn't answer a question, he'd just turn it around to bash the other side and that is getting as much accomplished as some of the other idiots in the country who think rioting and burning down your city will make people just give you their money....same stupid mentality.
for someone who is not for either , you spend all your time on here bashing Trump and then you are such a hypocrite that you make general statements like "asking someone". Oh by the way you forgot to "like" your hero's post.
 
for someone who is not for either , you spend all your time on here bashing Trump and then you are such a hypocrite that you make general statements like "asking someone". Oh by the way you forgot to "like" your hero's post.
Point-out ONE PERSON in this entire thread who is supporting Hillary Clinton...

If someone, ANYONE, would come on here and try to show support for her, I would gladly engage them, too. Otherwise, it's not worth wasting time. We already know that 99% of the board loves Trump because they hate Hillary. I'm not going to try and get anyone on-board with Hillary Clinton!
 
Point-out ONE PERSON in this entire thread who is supporting Hillary Clinton...

If someone, ANYONE, would come on here and try to show support for her, I would gladly engage them, too. Otherwise, it's not worth wasting time. We already know that 99% of the board loves Trump because they hate Hillary. I'm not going to try and get anyone on-board with Hillary Clinton!
Did you forget to log out and log back in as chick?
 
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And so it begins . . .

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rown Prince of Bahrain Forced to Go Through Foundation to See Clinton, after Pledging $32 Million to Clinton Global Initiative

Hollywood Executive Casey Wasserman, Slimfast Mogul Daniel Abraham, Controversial Appointee Rajiv Fernando also among Clinton Foundation Donors Granted Special Favors from Clinton State Department

(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch today released 725 pages of new State Department documents, including previously unreleased email exchanges in which former Hillary Clinton’s top aide Huma Abedin provided influential Clinton Foundation donors special, expedited access to the secretary of state. In many instances, the preferential treatment provided to donors was at the specific request of Clinton Foundation executive Douglas Band.

The new documents included 20 Hillary Clinton email exchanges not previously turned over to the State Department, bringing the known total to date to 191 of new Clinton emails (not part of the 55,000 pages of emails that Clinton turned over to the State Department). These records further appear to contradict statements by Clinton that, “as far as she knew,” all of her government emails were turned over to the State Department.

The Abedin emails reveal that the longtime Clinton aide apparently served as a conduit between Clinton Foundation donors and Hillary Clinton while Clinton served as secretary of state. In more than a dozen email exchanges, Abedin provided expedited, direct access to Clinton for donors who had contributed from $25,000 to $10 million to the Clinton Foundation. In many instances, Clinton Foundation top executive Doug Band, who worked with the Foundation throughout Hillary Clinton’s tenure at State, coordinated closely with Abedin. In Abedin’s June deposition to Judicial Watch, she conceded that part of her job at the State Department was taking care of “Clinton family matters.”

Included among the Abedin-Band emails is an exchange revealing that when Crown Prince Salman of Bahrain requested a meeting with Secretary of State Clinton, he was forced to go through the Clinton Foundation for an appointment. Abedin advised Band that when she went through “normal channels” at State, Clinton declined to meet. After Band intervened, however, the meeting was set up within forty-eight hours. According to the Clinton Foundation website, in 2005, Salman committed to establishing the Crown Prince’s International Scholarship Program (CPISP) for the Clinton Global Initiative. And by 2010, it had contributed $32 million to CGI. The Kingdom of Bahrain reportedly gave between $50,000 and $100,000 to the Clinton Foundation. And Bahrain Petroleum also gave an additional $25,000 to $50,000.

From: Doug Band

To: Huma Abedin

Sent: Tue Jun 23 1:29:42 2009

Subject:

Cp of Bahrain in tomorrow to Friday

Asking to see her

Good friend of ours

From: Huma Abedin

To: Doug Band

Sent: Tue Jun 23 4:12:46 2009

Subject: Re:

He asked to see hrc thurs and fri thru normal channels. I asked and she said she doesn’t want to commit to anything for thurs or fri until she knows how she will feel. Also she says that she may want to go to ny and doesn’t want to be committed to stuff in ny…

From: Huma Abedin [Huma@clintonemail.com]

Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 10:35:15 AM

To: Doug Band

Subject:

Offering Bahrain cp 10 tomorrow for meeting woith [sic] hrc

If u see him, let him know

We have reached out thru official channels
 
Also included among the Abedin-Band emails is an exchange in which Band urged Abedin to get the Clinton State Department to intervene in order to obtain a visa for members of the Wolverhampton (UK) Football Club, one of whose members was apparently having difficulty because of a “criminal charge.” Band was acting at the behest of Casey Wasserman, a millionaire Hollywood sports entertainment executive and President of the Wasserman Foundation. Wasserman has donated between $5 million and $10 million to the Clinton Foundation through the Wasserman Foundation.

From: Tim Hoy [VP Wasserman Media Group]

Date: Tue. 5 May 2009 10:45:55 – 0700

To: Casey Wasserman

Subject: [Redacted] Wolverhampton FC/visa matter

Casey: Paul Martin’s [popular English footballer] client [Redacted] needs to get an expedited appointment at the US Embassy in London this week and we have hit some road blocks. I am writing to ask for your help.

The Wolverhampton FC is coming to Las Vegas this Thursday for a “celebration break.” [Redacted] so he cannot get a visa to the US without first being “interviewed” in the visa section of the US Embassy in London …

I contacted Senator Boxer’s office in SF for help … They balked at the criminal charge and said they “couldn’t help.”

I’m now trying to get help from Sherrod Brown’s office but that’s not going well either. So do you have any ideas/contacts that could contact the US Embassy in London and ask that they see [Redacted] tomorrow?

From: Casey Wasserman

To: Doug Band; Trista Schroeder [Wasserman Media Group executive]

Sent: Tue May 05 2:23:50 2009 [PT]

Subject: FW [Redacted] Wolverhampton FC/visa matter

Can you help with the below [Hoy email], or maybe Huma??? I am copying trista as I am on the plane in case I lose connection … thx.

From: Doug Band

Sent: Tue May 05 7:08:21 2009 [ET]

To: Casey Wasserman; Trista Schroeder

Subject: Re: [Redacted] Wolverhampton FC/visa matter

Will email her.

From: Doug Band

To: Huma Abedin

Sent: Tue May 5 7:26:49 2009

Subject: Fw: [Redacted] Wolverhampton FC/visa matter

[As per subject line, Band apparently forwarded Abedin material sent to him by Casey.]

From: Huma Abedin [Huma@clintonemail.com]

Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:39:38 PM

To: Doug Band

Subject: Re: [Redacted] Wolverhampton FC/visa matter

I doubt we can do anything but maybe we can help with an interview. I’ll ask.

From: Huma Abedin

To: Doug Band

Sent: Tue May 05 5:50:09 2009

Subject: Re: [Redacted] Wolverhampton FC/visa matter

I got this now, makes me nervous to get involved but I’ll ask.

From: Doug Band

To: Huma Abedin

Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:43:30 PM

Subject: Re: [Redacted] Wolverhampton FC/visa matter

Then don’t
 
The Abedin emails also reveal that Slimfast tycoon S. Daniel Abraham was granted almost immediate access to then-Secretary of State Clinton, with Abedin serving as the facilitator. According to the Clinton Foundation website, Abraham, like the Wasserman Foundation, has given between $5 million and $10 million to the Clinton Foundation. The emails indicate that Abraham was granted almost immediate access to Clinton upon request:

From: Huma Abedin

To: H

Sent: Mon May 04 4:40:34 2009

Subject: Danny

Danny abraham called this morning. He is in dc today and tomorrow and asked for 15 min with you. Do u want me to try and fit him in tomorrow?

From: H

To Huma Abedin

Sent: Mon May 04 5:14:00 2009

Subject: Re: Danny

Will the plane wait if I can’t get there before 7-8?

From: Huma Abedin

Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 5:15:30 PM

Subject: Re: Danny

Yes of course
 
Additional Abedin emails in which the top Clinton aide intervenes with the State Department on behalf of Clinton Foundation donors include the following:

  • On Friday, June 26, 2009, Clinton confidant Kevin O’Keefe wrote to Clinton saying that “Kevin Conlon is trying to set up a meeting with you and a major client.” Clinton wrote to Abedin, “Can you help deliver these for Kevin?” Abedin responded, “I’ll look into it asap” Kevin O’Keefe donated between $10,000 and $25,000 to the Clinton Foundation. Kevin Conlon is a Clinton presidential campaign “Hillblazer” who has raised more than $100,000 for the candidate.
  • On Tuesday, June 16, 2009, Ben Ringel wrote to Abedin, “I’m on shuttle w Avigdor Liberman. I called u back yesterday. I want to stop by to see hrc tonite for 10 mins.” Ringel donated between $10,000 and $25,000 to the Clinton Foundation.
  • On Monday, July 6, 2009, Maureen White wrote to Abedin, “I am going to be in DC on Thursday. Would she have any time to spare?” Abedin responded, “Yes I’ll make it work.” White donated $75,000 to the Clinton Foundation.
  • In June 2009, prominent St. Louis political power broker Joyce Aboussie exchanged a series of insistent emails with Abedin concerning Aboussie’s efforts to set up a meeting between Clinton and Peabody Energy VP Cartan Sumner. Aboussie wrote, “Huma, I need your help now to intervene please. We need this meeting with Secretary Clinton, who has been there now for nearly six months. This is, by the way, my first request. I really would appreciate your help on this. It should go without saying that the Peabody folks came to Dick [Gephardt] and I because of our relationship with the Clinton’s.” After further notes from Aboussie, Abedin responded, “We are working on it and I hope we can make something work… we have to work through the beauracracy [sic] here.” Aboussie donated between $100,000 and $250,000 to the Clinton Foundation.
  • On Saturday, May 16, 2009, mobile communications executive and political activist Jill Iscol wrote to Clinton, “Please advise to whom I should forward Jacqueline Novogratz’s request [for a meeting with the secretary of state]. I know you know her, but honestly, she is so far ahead of the curve and brilliant I believe she could be enormously helpful to your work.” Clinton subsequently sent an email to Abedin saying, “Pls print.” Jill and husband Ken Iscol donated between $500,000 and $1 million to the Clinton Foundation. Clinton subsequently appointed Novogratz to the State Department’s Foreign Affairs Policy Board.
 
The newly obtained Abedin emails also contain a memorandum sent to Cheryl Mills from State Department White House liaison Laura Pena revealing that Rajiv Fernando was proposed for his controversial appointment to the sensitive International Security Advisory Board as early as June 2009. Fernando was not actually appointed until 2011, and his appointment raised a firestorm because, according to an ABC News report, “he had no obvious experience in the field.” Fernando donated $1 million to the Clinton Foundation.

The Abedin emails reveal that even U2’s Bono got into the act when former Bill Clinton aide Ben Schwerin, who helped set up the Clinton Foundation, urged Abedin to help the aging rock star broadcast from the international space station. In a May 27, 2009, email with the subject line “Bono/NASA,” Schwerin wrote, “Bono wants to do linkup with the international space station on every show during the tour this year.… Any ideas? Thks.” Bono has been a donor to the Clinton Global Initiative. And in 2011, he gathered top entertainers for “A Decade of Difference: A Concert Celebrating 10 Years of the William J. Clinton Foundation.” According to USA Today, “Some tickets were sold to the public for $50 to $550, and premium seats went for $1,000 to $5,000 on the Foundation website.”

“These new emails confirm that Hillary Clinton abused her office by selling favors to Clinton Foundation donors,” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “There needs to be a serious, independent investigation to determine whether Clinton and others broke the law.”

This is the tenth set of records produced for Judicial Watch by the State Department from the non-state.gov email accounts of Huma Abedin. The documents were produced under a court order in a May 5, 2015, Freedom of Information (FOIA) lawsuit against the State Department (Judicial Watch, Inc. v. U.S. Department of State (No. 1:15-cv-00684)) requiring the agency to produce “all emails of official State Department business received or sent by former Deputy Chief of Staff Huma Abedin from January 1, 2009 through February 1, 2013, using a ‘non-state’.gov email address.”

In June, Judicial Watch uncovered two batches (here and here) of new Clinton email records through court-ordered discovery. Twice in May, Judicial Watch uncovered new Clinton emails, including emails that show Clinton knew about the security risk of her BlackBerry (see here and here).

Recently, Judicial Watch released other State Department emails (one batch of 103 pages, the second of 138 pages), with newly discovered Clinton emails also going back as far as January 2009.

In March, Judicial Watch released Clinton State Department emails dating from February 2009 that also call into question her statements about her emails. Those emails contained more evidence of the battle between security officials in the State Department, National Security Agency, Clinton and her staff over attempts to obtain secure BlackBerrys.

On August 9, Judicial Watch produced a 2009 email in which Band directed Abedin and Mills to put Lebanese-Nigerian billionaire and Clinton Foundation donor Gilbert Chagoury in touch with the State Department’s “substance person” on Lebanon. Band noted that Chagoury is “key guy there [Lebanon] and to us.” Chagoury has donated between $1 million to $5 million to the Foundation, according to foundation documents. He also pledged $1 billion to the Clinton Global Initiative.

Hillary Clinton has repeatedly stated that she believes that the 55,000 pages of documents she turned over to the State Department in December 2014 included all of her work-related emails. In response to a court order in other Judicial Watch litigation, she declared under penalty of perjury that she had “directed that all my emails on clintonemail.com in my custody that were or are potentially federal records be provided to the Department of State, and on information and belief, this has been done.” This new email find is also at odds with her official campaign statement suggesting all “work or potentially work-related emails” were provided to the State Department.
 
A little history of Hillary Clinton:

When Bill Clinton was president, he allowed Hillary to assume authority over health care reform. Even after threats and intimidation, she couldn’t even get a vote in a democratic controlled congress. This fiasco cost the American taxpayers about $13 million in cost for studies, promotion, and other efforts that went for nil.

Then, president Bill gave Hillary authority over selecting a female attorney general. Her first two selections were Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood – both were forced to withdraw their names from consideration. Next she chose Janet Reno – president Bill described her selection as “my worst mistake.” Some may not remember that Reno made the decision to gas our own US citizens David Koresh and the Branch Davidian religious sect in Waco, Texas resulting in dozens of deaths of women and children.

President Bill also allowed Hillary to make recommendations for the head of the Civil Rights Commission. Lani Guanier was her selection. When a little probing led to the discovered of Ms. Guanier’s radical views, her name had to be withdrawn from consideration.

Apparently a slow learner, president Bill allowed Hillary to make some more recommendations. She chose former law partners Web Hubbel for the Justice Department, Vince Foster for the White House staff, and William Kennedy for the Treasury Department. Those selections went well: Hubbel went to prison, Foster (supposedly) committed suicide, and Kennedy was forced to resign.

Many younger voters will have little or no knowledge of “Travelgate.” Hillary wanted to award unfettered travel contracts to Clinton friend Harry Thompson – and the White House Travel Office refused to comply. She managed to have them reported to the FBI and fired. This ruined their reputations, cost them their jobs, and caused a thirty-six month investigation. Only one employee, Billy Dale, was charged with a crime, and that of the extremely heinous crime of mixing personal and White House funds. A jury acquitted him of any crime in less than two hours.

Still not convinced of her ineptitude president, Bill allowed Hillary to recommend a close Clinton friend, Craig Livingstone, for the position of Director of White House security. When Livingstone was investigated for the improper access of about 900 FBI files of Clinton enemies (Filegate) and the widespread use of drugs by White House staff, suddenly Hillary and president Bill denied even knowing Livingstone, and of course, denied knowledge of drug use in the White House. Following this debacle, the FBI closed its White House Liaison Office after more than thirty years of service to seven presidents.

When she was an attorney working on the Watergate investigation, she was fired by her supervisor for “lying and unethical behavior.” Jerry Zeifman, who is a lifelong Democrat, was a supervisor for 27-year-old Hillary Rodham on the committee. When the investigation was complete, Zeifman said he fired Hillary and refused to give her a recommendation…“Because she was a liar,” Zeifman said. “She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.

Next, when women started coming forward with allegations of sexual harassment and rape by president Bill, Hillary was put in charge of the “bimbo defense". Some of her more notable decisions in that debacle were: She urged her husband not to settle the Paula Jones lawsuit. After the Ken Starr investigation they settled with Ms. Jones. She refused to release the Whitewater documents, which led to the appointment of Starr as a Special Prosecutor. After $80 million dollars of taxpayer money was spent, Starr's investigation led to Monica Lewinsky, which led to president Bill lying about and later admitting to his affairs.

Hillary’s devious game plan resulted in president Bill losing his license to practice law for 'lying under oath' to a grand jury and then his subsequent impeachment by the House of Representatives. Hillary avoided indictment for perjury and obstruction of justice during the Starr investigation by repeating, “I do not recall,” “I have no recollection,” and “I don’t know” a total of 56 times while under oath.

After leaving the White House, Hillary was forced to return an estimated $200,000 in White House furniture, china, and artwork that she had stolen.

What a swell couple – ready for another four to eight year embarrassment by this low-life panderer & her husband occupying the White House? originally posted by Dave Wilson on another site.
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