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bluetoe said:
"Seriously, do you live in the U.S.? You talk about like it's some foreign land on the other side of the world."

you talk about like an ignoramus who doesn't know enough to keep his uneducated blather to himself. But let's give you a chance. Run down his $8 trillion plan for us.
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This is why I'm not sure if you live in the U.S.

The following has been summarize all over the place.

www.crfb.org

The Fiscal Impact of the Harris and Trump Campaign Plans | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

Note: This analysis has been updated to incorporate new proposals announced by the candidates since we initially published on October 7.
www.crfb.org www.crfb.org
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Hark_The_Sound_2010 said:
From the article: "In Pennsylvania, the biggest battleground in the Blue Wall, Republicans are encouraged because the partisan gap in ballots returned so far has narrowed significantly since 2020. Democrats hold only a 25-point advantage, compared to nearly 50 points four years ago."

Interesting development.
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The GOP has spent millions to undo the damage trump did by campaigning on mail ballots being fraud.
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joeydavid said:
You think the guy who put the most debt on books in just 4 years is the guy who will curb spending? The guy who in 2015 ran on paying off the debt "it will be so easy".

His "plan" is to put another $8 trillion on the debt.

Seriously, do you live in the U.S.? You talk about like it's some foreign land on the other side of the world.
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"Seriously, do you live in the U.S.? You talk about like it's some foreign land on the other side of the world."

you talk about like an ignoramus who doesn't know enough to keep his uneducated blather to himself. But let's give you a chance. Run down his $8 trillion plan for us.
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joeydavid said:
More on PA.

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From the article: "In Pennsylvania, the biggest battleground in the Blue Wall, Republicans are encouraged because the partisan gap in ballots returned so far has narrowed significantly since 2020. Democrats hold only a 25-point advantage, compared to nearly 50 points four years ago."

Interesting development.
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heelmanwilm said:
So going by todays poll of polls and giving states to candidates if they have at least a point lead (that’s a huge assumption I know as several are in margin of error) plus giving the weird “one” vote in neb to Harris;

Harris 252
Trump 251

The only states with no one leading by at least a point;

Nc with 16 votes
Pa with 19.

So in this scenario it’s Pa or bust for both. Currently trump has a half point lead there.
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One more thing, Trump disclosed on Rogan that his campaign is paying $500k for each partisan poll. Why would they be spending all of this money if their internal polls looked great? They (trump/GOP) did the same thing in 2020 and 2022.

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heelmanwilm said:
So going by todays poll of polls and giving states to candidates if they have at least a point lead (that’s a huge assumption I know as several are in margin of error) plus giving the weird “one” vote in neb to Harris;

Harris 252
Trump 251

The only states with no one leading by at least a point;

Nc with 16 votes
Pa with 19.

So in this scenario it’s Pa or bust for both. Currently trump has a half point lead there.
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The polls haven't moved since the debate. What has changed in many of the polls is partisan modeling.

In 2016, the polls missed how many uneducated rubes were willing to leave their trailers.

In 2020, the polls missed how many educated people fed up with trump's idiotic nonsense.

In 2022, the polls missed how many women were disgusted by Roe.

In 2024, it looks like they are still underestimating what they missed in 2022.

If you can't predict who is going to vote, the polls are useless. Since Trump, there's been a major restructuring of voters, making the polls more useless than usual.
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So going by todays poll of polls and giving states to candidates if they have at least a point lead (that’s a huge assumption I know as several are in margin of error) plus giving the weird “one” vote in neb to Harris;

Harris 252
Trump 251

The only states with no one leading by at least a point;

Nc with 16 votes
Pa with 19.

So in this scenario it’s Pa or bust for both. Currently trump has a half point lead there.
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strummingram said:
Already expecting to lose...

www.yahoo.com

Trump is laying the groundwork to challenge an election he might lose. Pennsylvania is ground zero.

The former president is laying the groundwork to contest the results if he loses the race’s biggest battleground.
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com
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He's been acting like their internal poll have him losing PA bigly.

Going to New Mexico doesn't seem to make much sense. Unless if his campaign has decided nothing good comes from letting him talk in the battleground states.
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bluetoe said:
so do you think that Trumps plan to try to bring spending under control, which was derided here by one of the usuals, is a bad plan and a wasted effort (and I mean in concept, not in detail which I have no knowledge of) ? Or should we just go on biz as usual, adding and adding to the debt to fund every whim, until it just implodes?

I'm not baiting you at all, I'm trying to get you to carry your thought out more so I can see where you're coming from with it.
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You think the guy who put the most debt on books in just 4 years is the guy who will curb spending? The guy who in 2015 ran on paying off the debt "it will be so easy".

His "plan" is to put another $8 trillion on the debt.

Seriously, do you live in the U.S.? You talk about like it's some foreign land on the other side of the world.
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bluetoe said:
first of all, the Federal Reserve is like existentialism...no one really understands what it is supposed to be and how it works. But Trump isn't the only one who has challenged the FR, and I seriously doubt he's the only one who wants to, but doesn't know how to, go about restructuring it or doing away with it. That doesn't mean to me that it should be left to carry on as usual. Powerful institutions that affect our lives and operate so independently are boogeymen to me.

I have tried in the past to understand its workings beyond a general sense, and I have come closer to inventing a cold fusion process that works.
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For the love of god and all that’s holy sweet Mary mother of Jesus in thy name we pray thy will be done for ever and ever world without end thy rod and thy staff…..keep….the….orange clown AWAY FROM THE FED RESERVE!!!!!!!

Amen
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