pooponduke said:

If it wasn't from 2013, it might explain Noir being MIA.

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but the headline would be "Man on Meth Jacks Off 15 Cops".

"In His Mom's Basement"

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This was a tweet from 2013. I'm guessing it's fairly accurate since Roy didn't really add much to his tree.

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NathanFielder said:

An EC/Trimble backcourt cannot co-exist next season if you want to be a good team IMO. Both players are unwilling shooters. I can't say for sure whether they'll be good or bad shooters next season, but I'm pretty sure they'll be unwilling shooters because that's what they've been throughout their careers. If you want EC as the PG, you need to upgrade the offensive skill plus get bigger around him.

I would have Seth be the odd man out if I'm being honest. Cadeau is limited, but at least in theory he can be really good if he's surrounded by the right skill around him. You'll need a bigger 2-guard who can score. Drake Powell IMO doesn't project to be a big time scorer at the college level. You absolutely cannot run this back with Cadeau/Trimble/Powell. That's 3 players who have limited offensive skills in major parts of their offensive arsenal right now. You have a limited 4 offensively in Wilson who will probably make most of his college offensive production on the offensive glass. But honestly, if you told me Cadeau and Trimble aren't going to be here... Depending who comes in for them, I would be more than open to it. It's just a really weird fit with that backcourt.

I really don't get the interest in running this thing back. Are all these extremely limited players going to suddenly become unlimited offensive skilled players over an offseason? I'm still waiting for the "unrecognizable" Cadeau that Hubert promised this season.

Get bigger and more skilled everywhere.

And Hubert needs to clearly re-think the type of player he needs to bring in to fill out his depth on his roster. Wojcik = flop. Withers = flop. Tyson = flop. Whatever his concept is when it comes to depth pieces might be his biggest weakness in terms of his talent evaluation. That will obviously be a key going forward.

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I am right there with you in this opinion.
I think Drake will continue to evolve as an offensive player with his shooting and ability to attack. Also Drake playing the 3 should give Next years team an obvious strength getting offensive rebounds and a 3rd guy protecting the rim.
I agree that Trimble is probably the odd man out because that starting 2 guy must be a high level scorer. Trimble will never be a knock down shooter, and most of his buckets come in transition or broken plays it seems.
That wing scorer becomes a huge hole to fill once Davis and Jackson move on.
As for Wilson, I again agree with you in that he will not be a great offensive player in year one. If he is the best frontcourt option next year, we should expect much of what we are seeing this year.
Carolina needs a dawg or two up front so that Wilson can just be a piece like Marvin Williams was in 2005.
Caleb Wilson is not Dybansta, in my mind he is closer to Jarin Stephenson in year one.

JimmyinVA said:

it was loyalty. roy is all about loyalty. he// he was even loyal to kansas after taking the unc job. he was loyal to his assistants, and that's how hubert got the job.

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Yeah I don't buy that considering he passed over a man who had been by his side for 20 years and had 40 years of experience under his belt.

Let's stop sugarcoating this s**t. It was nepotism.

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NathanFielder said:

You're right. It was a really good pass.

I still don't like the decision to make that pass, to that player, at that time and score. But it certainly was a dime.

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Fair enough.
Asking EC to run all the what ifs through his head in a nanosecond before choosing to pass or not pass to an open streaking player seems a lot to ask.
We can all agree Zeller or Henson on receiving end and it is a dunk and EC is a hero.

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Thank you for a more objective clarification. We would be in worse shape without Elliot.

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notashelbyfan said:

... it was the best hire for the good ol boy system.

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it was loyalty. roy is all about loyalty. he// he was even loyal to kansas after taking the unc job. he was loyal to his assistants, and that's how hubert got the job.

DSouthr said:

Well lets see, considering that UNC seemed hell bent on making sure the coach had a UNC footprint, who was it again I was advocating for, it wasn't Hubert or Wes, it was King Rice. So no, that would not make me mad.

But lets be real here, the talent pool of former UNC players that are ready for the prime time of a Mt Rushmore program simply is not deep enough, this requirement that they MUST have played for UNC handicaps us if it is not allowing other very ready coaches to be considered. I think the Belichick hire has changed a lot of things concerning UNC athletics, this may have been changed as well.

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If they hire King Rice or Wes Miller then that's an indication that winning is not the priority. From there, fans can make the decision if it's worth supporting a program that isn't serious about winning. They'd be more serious in keeping this cult-like, constitutional monarchy going.

RP12 said:

Bang on EC all you want but tell me what they’re trying to execute that he’s failing at? The combination of not having a clear plan, treating an undersized and not Uber athletic SG as a go-to hero, not having a consistent big who can go get a basket, and the tightening of sphincters, defense and whistles are all contributing factors. While EC definitely needs to be more consistent with emotions and shooting with confidence when he shoots, he is forced to take chances and is responsible for a huge percentage of easy shots this team gets, especially in the half court.

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I'm just saying I'm disappointed in totality in year 2 for him. But that's mainly because of unwarranted expectations that were placed on him. So probably more of a "me problem" than Cadeau. If I look at him completely objectively, he's had a much better sophomore season. He's improved his 2PT efficiency and FT efficiency. He's a developing talented young player and that's fine.

But I'm also not going to try to make excuses for him. He hasn't played as well as he's capable of playing.

tarwhiz said:

This problem will likely not be eliminated next year u less a very difficult decision is made.
Let's say EC, Trimble and Drake all return to play with Caleb Wilson.
The 5 spot aside, who in the world makes jump shots of the 4 players I just listed?
The 5 spot is the most pressing need, but a stud wing shooter that can start, or play starter minutes is need 1a at the very least.
Right now our two best projected shooters in 2025-26 are Dixon and Denis.
We gotta add more shooting.

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An EC/Trimble backcourt cannot co-exist next season if you want to be a good team IMO. Both players are unwilling shooters. I can't say for sure whether they'll be good or bad shooters next season, but I'm pretty sure they'll be unwilling shooters because that's what they've been throughout their careers. If you want EC as the PG, you need to upgrade the offensive skill plus get bigger around him.

I would have Seth be the odd man out if I'm being honest. Cadeau is limited, but at least in theory he can be really good if he's surrounded by the right skill around him. You'll need a bigger 2-guard who can score. Drake Powell IMO doesn't project to be a big time scorer at the college level. You absolutely cannot run this back with Cadeau/Trimble/Powell. That's 3 players who have limited offensive skills in major parts of their offensive arsenal right now. You have a limited 4 offensively in Wilson who will probably make most of his college offensive production on the offensive glass and in transition. But honestly, if you told me Cadeau and Trimble aren't going to be here... Depending who comes in for them, I would be more than open to it. It's just a really weird fit with that backcourt.

I really don't get the interest in running this thing back. Are all these extremely limited players going to suddenly become unlimited offensive skilled players over an offseason? I'm still waiting for the "unrecognizable" Cadeau that Hubert promised this season.

Get bigger and more skilled everywhere.

And Hubert needs to clearly re-think the type of player he needs to bring in to fill out his depth on his roster. Wojcik = flop. Withers = flop. Tyson = flop. Whatever his concept is when it comes to depth pieces might be his biggest weakness in terms of his talent evaluation. That will obviously be a key going forward.

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strummingram said:

I think people are definitely blaming Roy Williams. Do I think Hubert would have been the coach if it were not for Roy williams? Probably not. But, I certainly have no problems with Roy Williams and his role at North Carolina. If that includes having Hubert Davis as the coach, I'm not all that bummed out about it. I guess I focus too much on the good things that have happened since he's been the coach.

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LOL, Wait a minute now, are you really making a case in one sentence and in the next sentence saying the exact opposite?

"I think people are definitely blaming Roy Williams"

"Do I think Hubert would have been the coach if it were not for Roy williams? Probably not.

So, clearly you as well lay responsibility, call it blame if you want because it is the very same thing, on Roy. yet seem to want to make the case that Roy is not responsible, doesn't rightfully hold blame? You tell me strum, if you had the tie breaking vote, would your vote be to keep Hubert or to replace him after this season? Just so you understand, right now my vote would be to retain him. Your vote to replace him means you feel Hubert was actually a mistake by Roy to push him as the head coach, your vote to retain him says you think it was the correct choice by Roy to push his chips in for Hubert to have the job? Which way do you go?

So that my stance is clear, I do think it was a mistake for Roy to push Hubert, I understand why he did, I don't agree it was the best decision for the program. But after it was done, I am willing to give Hubert every opportunity to get this ship righted with FULL knowledge that he has made far to many mistakes than should be easily accepted and I have been full throated in discussing those mistakes as I see them.

Has Mark Few really ever had a chance to say “no” to one of the Big 4 jobs? Self has been at Kansas forever, no one wants the Kentucky job with the delusional fanbase, and UNC and Dook went in-house. Nova and Arizona are the next tier of prestige and Nova basically hired in-house too and Arizona ended up hiring Few’s number 1 assistant

tarwhiz said:

You need to rewatch that play. I did a half dozen times. Belt high pass if he doesn't muff it all up.

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You're right. It was a really good pass.

I still don't like the decision to make that pass, to that player, at that time and score. But it certainly was a dime.

RoseHeel said:

What is spoiled about saying Hubert Davis is our coach because of Roy Williams? Where's the lie? Lord knows it wasn't his coaching prowess that got him the job lmao.

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Agreed, there is absolutely ZERO chance that Hubert would have been named our head coach had Roy not pushed it. That is not "spoiled fan talk" that is simply reality.

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