Good job, man. I'm sure it took a while to put together a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out response. I'm proud of you.
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Good job, man. I'm sure it took a while to put together a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out response. I'm proud of you.
Here's a thought. Don't talk down to me and maybe you'll get just such a response.
You're right, I realized I was being a dick about it, and I still hit "post" anyway. That's just me being frustrated. Sorry. At this point, I'll simply mention that Mary Willingham was a very visible, named source who claimed that 70% of our student-athletes read below a high school level. Just one example folks here can relate to.
I don't have a hard-on for debating Nuk. In fact, I kind of hate it. But I don't like standing idly by as he constantly props up anything that supports his world view as truth and anything that contradicts his world view as falsehood, Occam be damned. It strikes me as intellectually dishonest, divisive, and condescending.
My mistake, of course, is failing to recognize the futility of it all. Probably best to just walk away.
Why didn't the police quell the violence on Monday afternoon/night, when violence had already erupted on Saturday? Why were they so passive to the point of allowing an officer to become critically injured and at least six others injured? Why did this change after things got terribly out of hand Monday night? Occam be damned.
Here's another thought. If you can't respond to a post with intelligence and insight, take a swig from a tall glass of STFU.
And this is the full text of the statement from the mayor’s office the next day, Sunday. It came out under the name of Howard Libit, director of Strategic Planning and Policy:
"What she is saying within this statement was that there was an effort to give the peaceful demonstrators room to conduct their peaceful protests on Saturday. Unfortunately, as a result of providing the peaceful demonstrators with the space to share their message, that also meant that those seeking to incite violence also had the space to operate. The police sought to balance the rights of the peaceful demonstrators against the need to step in against those who were seeking to create violence.
"The mayor is not saying that she asked police to give space to people who sought to create violence. Any suggestion otherwise would be a misinterpretation of her statement."
Her office also offered an official clarification of her comments with emphasis added:
"I’ve made it very clear that I work with the police and instructed them to do everything that they could to make sure that the protesters were able to exercise their right to free speech. It’s a very delicate balancing act, because, while we tried to make sure that they were protected from the cars and the other things that were going on, we also [as a result]gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well. And we worked very hard to keep that balance and to put ourselves in the best position to de escalate, and that’s what you saw."
"What she is saying within this statement was that there was an effort to give the peaceful demonstrators room to conduct their peaceful protests on Saturday. Unfortunately, as a result of providing the peaceful demonstrators with the space to share their message, that also meant that those seeking to incite violence also had the space to operate. The police sought to balance the rights of the peaceful demonstrators against the need to step in against those who were seeking to create violence.
"The mayor is not saying that she asked police to give space to people who sought to create violence. Any suggestion otherwise would be a misinterpretation of her statement."
Her office also offered an official clarification of her comments with emphasis added:
"I’ve made it very clear that I work with the police and instructed them to do everything that they could to make sure that the protesters were able to exercise their right to free speech. It’s a very delicate balancing act, because, while we tried to make sure that they were protected from the cars and the other things that were going on, we also [as a result]gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well. And we worked very hard to keep that balance and to put ourselves in the best position to de escalate, and that’s what you saw."
That's pretty hilarious, considering your gem of a post that started this back-and-forth. Let's review, shall we?
No shit, Sherlock. That post would have been patronizing even if my mother, uncle, and grandfather weren't all journalists. Better pour yourself a tall one.
Thanks. I posted this release earlier in the thread. It was summarily dismissed, of course.
You acted as if you dont think sources are credible unless the name of source is given. I apologize if you feel offended by what I posted. I truly thought you were stupid. With a reply of "Dude", I wasnt sure what you were implying. Sorry, I failed my mind reading class in school. I will try to remind myself of how much more intelligent you are than the rest of us. Please look on us peons with pity from atop Mt. Olympus.
Let's call a truce. I was being sarcastic when I responded to GSD about the lesson in journalism, and you probably missed that (I guess there's such a thing as being too sarcastic). You obviously did think I was stupid, LOL, which is why you responded the way you did. I apologize for escalating the issue by being a smartass with the "Dude" response. I was frustrated.
This thread needs to die a quick, painful death.
I once had a pretty good verbal shouting match with a cop at this outdoor concert in Nashville. He was wrong though. That's about it for me. I've been pulled over and ticketed a lot though. Fortunately for me, Clarksville has a really good police force.
It irritates me when people rush to judgement against the police in these cases, and usually this judgement is based on little fact and lots of heresay.
It also irritates me that the other side in this case is doing the very same thing with the mayor. Taking a quote out of context is one of the worst things that journalists, politicians and critics do when attempting to make a point and the same people who are doing it this time around are asking for patience in determining how Freddy Gray died. Seems more than a little hypocritical to me.
Reports are leaking that Freddie Gray was trying to injure himself . Who knows the truth? Although, this could be another "hands up, don't shoot" lie and folks are rioting over nothing but a false narrative. Also, it could be a bit of both in that Freddie Gray injured himself and cops helped or made worse. We may never know.
Yeah, I just saw that. I am already assuming that if true the focus will then go to "they should have strapped him in a seatbelt"
I also saw a report that Gray had recently had spinal surgery, although I haven't read it in any respectable publication.
I read that he's currently receiving some kind of payment from Allstate Ins for said spinal injury. If that's true, that should be pretty easy to verify.
I'm still waiting on those corroborating sources.
If you insist...
BALTIMORE (CBS BALTIMORE) — A Maryland sheriff who traveled to Baltimore to help law enforcement stop Monday’s riots told 105.7 The Fan that he was stunned when officers alerted him of the orders to stand down.
Michael Lewis is the Sheriff in Wicomico County, and was also a Sergeant with the Maryland State Police. He joined Ed Norris and Steve Davis on Thursday to talk about the alleged controversial orders the police were given during the riots.
Lewis said it wasn’t his intention to come to Baltimore, a drive of about two hours, but he felt it was his duty to help.
“I hadn’t planned to go to Baltimore at all. I watched the events unfold Saturday night like we all did, and was very concerned about what I saw, and the the lack of response Saturday night,” he said. “I immediately rallied up the troops. We made sure our MRAP was prepared and ready. … We were assigned to assigned to protect Baltimore City Police headquarters, all of E. Fayette Street up to City Hall, to include City Hall. There wasn’t a whole lot of activity taking place at all. We could smell that putrid smell of burning tires and a city on fire when as we came into the city. Had lots of concerns like everyone else. We maintained our post all night long until we were relieved.”
But what shocked him the most, he said, was when city police told him not to confront and accost the rioters.
“I was sick to my stomach like everybody else. … This was urban warfare, no question about it. They were coming in absolutely beaten down. The [city officers] got out of their vehicles, thanked us profusely for being there, apologized to us for having to be there. They said we could have handled this, we were very capable of handling this, but we were told to stand down, repeatedly told to stand down,” he said. “I had never heard that order come from anyone — we went right out to our posts as soon as we got there, so I never heard the mayor say that. But repeatedly these guys, and there were many high-ranking officials from the Baltimore City Police Department … and these guys told me they were essentially neutered from the start. They were spayed from the start. They were told to stand down, you will not take any action, let them destroy property. I couldn’t believe it, I’m a 31-year veteran of law enforcement. … I had never heard anything like this before in my life and these guys obviously aren’t gonna speak out and the more I thought about this, … I had to say a few things. I apologize if I’ve upset people, but I believe in saying it like it is.”
Lewis said though he didn’t hear the order to stand down come from the mayor, he did hear it from police officials.
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/...the-stand-down-orders-given-to-city-officers/
There was a stop that the cops never made a statement about and never reported. If the film had never been found, the stop would have never known. Some of the cops have lied in their statements, if they lied about this, what else have they lied about???
I'm not following you on this.
I'm not dismissing that the cops may be lying, I just don't understand your point here.
Well yes, they may very well have lied. Can you give me a link where I can read more about this alleged coverup?
It was announced by the Baltimore police commissioner at a news conference today. Google it. I watched it on FOX 5 out of Newark NJ. The police commissioner is my source.
GYSOT
So you're ok with them lying??? What happened to the integrity of the badge?? No different than the ones they're supposed to investigate. They have credibility issues now with any arrest they've been involved with.
When Blacks are involved the Police should stand down. It's very effident they don't know right from wrong. They are protesting in Baltimore because? A black man with a rap sheet as long as interstate 95 was arrested, injured and died while in Police custody.
They blame the police without knowledge of what happened. they loot and burn, injure police, and everyone walks around as if that's ok. Let just remove the police and all blacks can protect your on neighborhoods your way. You have zero white people to blame.
The racist card is worn out, and let's face it, blacks blame whites for all their issues, and hate white people. Pretty easy assumption as you watch how blacks treat whites. Slavery will never be in the past, it will be a crutch until reporations are paid, and paid, and paid.
You want justice, well take Baltimore just take it, it's yours. Blacks run Baltimore so why all the anger? Protest, loot and burn, a great strategy for coming together.
They blame the police without knowledge of what happened. they loot and burn, injure police, and everyone walks around as if that's ok. Let just remove the police and all blacks can protect your on neighborhoods your way. You have zero white people to blame.
The racist card is worn out, and let's face it, blacks blame whites for all their issues, and hate white people. Pretty easy assumption as you watch how blacks treat whites. Slavery will never be in the past, it will be a crutch until reporations are paid, and paid, and paid.
You want justice, well take Baltimore just take it, it's yours. Blacks run Baltimore so why all the anger? Protest, loot and burn, a great strategy for coming together.
I'm not ok with them lying. I just wanted to read first hand what you are talking about.
So from what I gather from the two links, you think the unexplained stop is where this all went down?
What is anyone alleging that the cops did here? That they beat the crap out of Gray? If so, is the allegation that it took place at the mystery stop?
I'm not being obtuse, but I am having a hard time understanding the allegations and supporting facts/evidence.
What is anyone alleging that the cops did here? That they beat the crap out of Gray? If so, is the allegation that it took place at the mystery stop?
I'm not being obtuse, but I am having a hard time understanding the allegations and supporting facts/evidence.
I don't see this as a "black/white issue. The Baltimore Police Dept. is almost entirely black, correct? I don't have a clue whether the police are in the wrong or not but I don't see it as a race issue.
Then you're racist.
You should feel that all cops are bad - even the black ones - because they facilitate the institutionalized racism that targets blacks. You should also not care about facts and you should want the blood of the officers that arrested Gray simply because he's dead and it has to be their fault. You should understand the rioting and chalk it up to years of frustration finally boiling over. And you should give the needed space for angry blacks to be as violent as they want.
If not, you're racist.
Police charged in death of Freddie Gray..
So do protesters keep protesting? The AG had her facts, and now courts will decide. Its too bad she didn't at least suggest to protesters to let her do her job, and they get back to theirs, which I guess is protesting.
So do protesters keep protesting? The AG had her facts, and now courts will decide. Its too bad she didn't at least suggest to protesters to let her do her job, and they get back to theirs, which I guess is protesting.
Great. So the message has been sent - destroy your own neighborhoods and hurt your own people and then you'll get what you want. Awesome.
Agreed. She actually should have been even firmer than that. She should have said, "the police involved are being charged. But let me be perfectly clear. They are not being charged in response to the rioting and destruction of the people in the community. The evidence we have leads us to probably cause to charge the officers with the crime. I condemn the actions of the people that are rioting and in no way do I want to send the message that rioting will get you what you want. I will be just as quick to charge those rioting for their crimes as I am to charge these police officers for their crimes."
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