Coronavirus

[pooponduke]

It's a podcast.

So, you decide what is important that he can talk about or not talk about? Suppose he had a so-called expert on the supreme court, guns, anal bleaching, or recognizing senility in elected officials? Do you get to censor it and/or decide if it carries a misinformation label?

It's a podcast and is the modern day version of the idea of freedom of speech at it's most basic. The fact that you can't see the importance of that concept over what you perceive as the "correct" speech about covid is the heart of the issue.

If the "economy and healthcare of our nation" flinches due to something Joe Rogan or one of his guests says, we've got bigger problems. You don't like what Rogan has to say as a social influencer. What if I don't like what Lebron has to say on virtually anything, including bball? Do I get to censure him? The market will decide if he gets to continue.

It's a podcast.

 

[gteeitup]

The economy and healthcare of our nation doesn't flinch when people discuss opinions on eating crazy crap, mma, even whether or not we walked on the moon.



Good for you, but people are relying on, and believing all kinds of media for medical info these days.

rogan has been called out before on his show which is very amusing…it shows how little he knows and more importantly, how little his producers and research people know.

 

[blazers]

He provides the caveats himself. Constantly points out that he is a comedian and cage fighting commentator and nobody should be making decisions based on his opinions. And he’s had several pro vax doctors on. The worst part of the covid talk is it makes the show boring and repetitive.

Sadly because we're a world of easily persuaded sheep that isn't enough. Intentional or not he's part of the misinfo problem which is making the public health situation worse.

There needs to be a better balance and apparently even Rogan recognizes that - or at least that's what he's saying in his public apologies to not lose any $.

 

[blazers]

rogan has been called out before on his show which is very amusing…it shows how little he knows and more importantly, how little his producers and research people know.

Some of his stuff is really interesting and entertaining. He often asks good questions... but here we are.

 

[strummingram]

Sadly because we're a world of easily persuaded sheep that isn't enough. Intentional or not he's part of the misinfo problem which is making the public health situation worse.

There needs to be a better balance and apparently even Rogan recognizes that - or at least that's what he's saying in his public apologies to not lose any $.

An abundance of easily persuaded sheep isn't a sufficient reason to sacrifice freedom of speech and shut people down. Who is the ultimate arbiter of "misinformation?" I'm not even arguing with anyone about Rogan's wacky opinions regarding Covid. If you disagree, do the opposite. It's not complicated.

Liberals used to distrust institutions like the FBI and the CIA. Now, they trust them unconditionally. Those institution's entire existence is predicated on deception.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Imagine doing something because someone on a podcast told you to. Lol. I've never even listened to Joe Rogan. I've never listened to a podcast that I can think of. I don't have Spotify.

But if some kook can win a Pulitzer Prize and be asked to give commencement speeches for their "misinformation", then I think we should be ok with an online service where you have to voluntarily engage.

 

[bluetoe]

I think what Neil Young and Joni Mitchell are doing is shitty. Trying to leverage your fame in order to squash people from broadcasting conversations that you don't like, is a rather fascist way to go. I wonder if Buffalo Springfield Neil would wanna kick 2022 Neil's ass.

one thing that always rankles me is celebrities letting their egos out of the barn and any media that gives them a podium. I don't appreciate their blather being given top billing based on their celebrity.

 

[nctransplant]

one thing that always rankles me is celebrities letting their egos out of the barn and any media that gives them a podium. I don't appreciate their blather being given top billing based on their celebrity.

Pro Athletes!

 

[bluetoe]

Pro Athletes!

yep, all under that celebrity umbrella. Who the hell reasons that because someone is famous, their thoughts are more worth hearing? I mean other than the celebs themselves? I guess a lot of people must or the media wouldn't play to them.

 

[strummingram]

one thing that always rankles me is celebrities letting their egos out of the barn and any media that gives them a podium. I don't appreciate their blather being given top billing based on their celebrity.

You aren't forced to listen to them, let alone agree with them. "Media" is a business based on getting people to pay attention to their product in order to make money from advertising. It's profitable simply because so many people are addicted to paying attention to their product.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I'm less annoyed with celebrities and more annoyed with journalists who ask them the questions. If journalists would just talk basketball with LeBron James, we wouldn't know of his misguided and thoughtless opinions. We'd know how he feels about his newest super team underperforming. But we wouldn't know about whatever other uneducated thoughts he has. And that's the way it should be. He is an expert in basketball. That's the only thing he's an expert in. Why would anyone care to ask him questions outside his area of expertise? I mean, fine if you want to have dinner with him and ask him those questions but when you're doing your job, do your job correctly and stick to asking questions that are befitting of the subject being interviewed.

 

[bluetoe]

You aren't forced to listen to them, let alone agree with them. "Media" is a business based on getting people to pay attention to their product in order to make money from advertising. It's profitable simply because so many people are addicted to paying attention to their product.

yada yada., no shit Sherlock thanks for explaining the profit motive behind capitalism. Who knew?

If I'm watching or listening to something and next thing you know some celebrity is having his point of view foisted on me, I don't appreciate that. That isn't the same as some show that's advertised as being the blather of some celebrity that I can simply choose to not tune in to. And I didn't say I would force change on anything, I just don't like it. That's called expressing an opinion.

That being said, there are traits of human nature that we can't change but we can overcome with thoughtful consideration. That's one trait that I understand but detest, the mindless tendency to give weight to those perceived as having power or notoriety when said power or notoriety has little or nothing to do with what they're trying to impress on us.

 

[strummingram]

yada yada., no shit Sherlock thanks for explaining the profit motive behind capitalism. Who knew?

If I'm watching or listening to something and next thing you know some celebrity is having his point of view foisted on me, I don't appreciate that. That isn't the same as some show that's advertised as being the blather of some celebrity that I can simply choose to not tune in to. And I didn't say I would force change on anything, I just don't like it. That's called expressing an opinion.

That being said, there are traits of human nature that we can't change but we can overcome with thoughtful consideration. That's one trait that I understand but detest, the mindless tendency to give weight to those perceived as having power or notoriety when said power or notoriety has little or nothing to do with what they're trying to impress on us.

Tough shit... be glad it allows you a reason to "foist" your blather on here.

 

[bluetoe]

Tough shit... be glad it allows you a reason to "foist" your blather on here.

lol I am, but it doesn't allow me a reason, just the opportunity. And besides, you can always tune out.

 

[blazers]

An abundance of easily persuaded sheep isn't a sufficient reason to sacrifice freedom of speech and shut people down. Who is the ultimate arbiter of "misinformation?" I'm not even arguing with anyone about Rogan's wacky opinions regarding Covid. If you disagree, do the opposite. It's not complicated.

Liberals used to distrust institutions like the FBI and the CIA. Now, they trust them unconditionally. Those institution's entire existence is predicated on deception.

Who is the ultimate arbiter of "misinformation?" -- in this specific case it is the majority of the public health community - Infectious disease folks, epidemiologists, virologists, geneticists, all the bio/chem folks researching the disease and the vaccines.

If 3 or 4 thousand people hadn't died just yesterday from this, it wouldn't be a big deal...

 

[strummingram]

And besides, you can always tune out.

I always do, unless you quote me.

 

[bluetoe]

Who is the ultimate arbiter of "misinformation?" -- in this specific case it is the majority of the public health community - Infectious disease folks, epidemiologists, virologists, geneticists, all the bio/chem folks researching the disease and the vaccines.

If 3 or 4 thousand people hadn't died just yesterday from this, it wouldn't be a big deal...

died from Covid or from misinformation?

 

[strummingram]

Infectious disease folks, epidemiologists, virologists, geneticists, all the bio/chem folks researching the disease and the vaccines.

When those people all have a universally-understood stance, let us know. Because, up until now, they don't. I don't count Pfizer's arbitration as being objective, okay?

 

[bluetoe]

I always do, unless you quote me.

and?

 

[strummingram]

If 3 or 4 thousand people hadn't died just yesterday from this, it wouldn't be a big deal...

If those people are dying because they listened to Joe Rogan, they were going to die sooner rather than later, anyway.

 

[blazers]

died from Covid or from misinformation?

misinfo, since 90+% were unvaxxed

 

[blazers]

If those people are dying because they listened to Joe Rogan, they were going to die sooner rather than later, anyway.

Let them die without prolonging the pandemic and healthcare issues for the rest of us..... IDGAF if morgue business spikes.

 

[blazers]

When those people all have a universally-understood stance, let us know. Because, up until now, they don't. I don't count Pfizer's arbitration as being objective, okay?

Pro vax and anti-vermeticin have been universally-understood stances for quite awhile, no?

 

[bluetoe]

Let them die without prolonging the pandemic and healthcare issues for the rest of us..... IDGAF if morgue business spikes.

lol, you'd never know that from your activity here.

 

[strummingram]

Let them die without prolonging the pandemic and healthcare issues for the rest of us..... IDGAF if morgue business spikes.

Prolonging? The virus is here to stay. So, more people will always be dying from it. Unless they can find some therapeutics that actually work. The vaccines are hardly foolproof. These vaccines are not like Polio and smallpox vaccines. Apparently, Covid-19 is another kind of cold you can catch and it can worsen, like the flu.

 

[strummingram]

Pro vax and anti-vermeticin have been universally-understood stances for quite awhile, no?

Well, I don't know that. I'm not a doctor, or an epidemiologist or even a pharmacist. I've HEARD OF doctors prescribing HUMAN dosages of the drug. Ivermectin might be effective. I don't know.

Some Doctors Are Prescribing Ivermectin for COVID-19. That Doesn't Mean You Should Take It

Some physicians are prescribing ivermectin to prevent or treat COVID-19, but there is little evidence that it works.

www.verywellhealth.com

I don't care if some doctors do, and others don't. What I would care about is someone trying to impose their preference based on how popular they are because their music appeals to a lot of people. I hope Young and Springsteen and Mitchell lose a lot of sales in their music because of that decision. I hate it when musicians do this shit.


No one who has been paying attention for two years can say that the medical "experts" have been unanimously on-board from day one because the whole experience has been changing all the time.

These vaccines (which I chose to get last summer) are hardly infallible. I can still get it, suffer from it, die from it and transmit it to other people if I'm vaccinated. The medical experts are going to find it more and more difficult to get people in the future to get vaccines when the ones we've had so far are constantly needing to be boosted.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Who is the ultimate arbiter of "misinformation?" -- in this specific case it is the majority of the public health community - Infectious disease folks, epidemiologists, virologists, geneticists, all the bio/chem folks researching the disease and the vaccines.

If 3 or 4 thousand people hadn't died just yesterday from this, it wouldn't be a big deal...

Majority? So just 51%? And how did you come to the conclusion that the majority have declared it "misinformation"? Can I see the polling that was done to ensure the 51% threshold was obtained and I'd also like to see how the questions on the survey were posed. After all that is made public and I see that 51% of those specialists you cite above did indeed declare it "misinformation", we can discuss. Until then, you're doing nothing but labeling what you don't like as "misinformation". It's not surprising as this is quite prevalent with your kind.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Strum is doing quite well in this discussion.

 

[carolinablue34]

Misinformation this day and age is always a problem. But as @strummingram pointed out, Rogan constantly says he's not a doctor and no one should take his opinions as sound medical advice. And yet, millions hang onto his every word.

In this case, maybe the mainstream media and news reporting should ask themselves why so many people are sick and tired of the constant doom and gloom being thrown at us day after day with this shit. And on the flip side, why so many turn to someone like Rogan.

I'm pro-vaxx, I wear a mask if asked (though my patience on that is wearing thin too), and I think covid certainly poses more risk than usual for unhealthy people or those beyond 70. But there's a rational way to both combat the disease and go about our normal lives at this stage. I'm not seeing that from the left. I don't think ill of guys like Fauci and Osterhelm, but their PR messaging sucks.

 

[Grayhead]

misinfo, since 90+% were unvaxxed

Or maybe 90% made a choice for themselves

 

[strummingram]

Misinformation this day and age is always a problem. But as @strummingram pointed out, Rogan constantly says he's not a doctor and no one should take his opinions as sound medical advice. And yet, millions hang onto his every word.

In this case, maybe the mainstream media and news reporting should ask themselves why so many people are sick and tired of the constant doom and gloom being thrown at us day after day with this shit. And on the flip side, why so many turn to someone like Rogan.

I'm pro-vaxx, I wear a mask if asked (though my patience on that is wearing thin too), and I think covid certainly poses more risk than usual for unhealthy people or those beyond 70. But there's a rational way to both combat the disease and go about our normal lives at this stage. I'm not seeing that from the left. I don't think ill of guys like Fauci and Osterhelm, but their PR messaging sucks.

I used to like Osterholm. I still do... kinda. He's obviously very learned and knowledgeable in epidemiology and virology. He doesn't see the whole picture from a practical perspective. He sees it through his filter of what he is- an epidemiologist/virologist. He thinks we should all live in isolation and get shots every week. I'm exaggerating, but not by much.

He's also getting a ton of exposure from this whole event and, I don't care who you are, when you get that kind of attention (and all the accolades and $$$ and everything else), your instinct is to milk it for all its worth, and he does.

Without Covid, he's forgotten.

Fauci is just a shill, in my opinion. He's educated and he's had a lot of history with hands-on participation in his field. But, I don't put a great deal of trust in what he says.

 

[nctransplant]

I used to like Osterholm. I still do... kinda. He's obviously very learned and knowledgeable in epidemiology and virology. He doesn't see the whole picture from a practical perspective. He sees it through his filter of what he is- an epidemiologist/virologist. He thinks we should all live in isolation and get shots every week. I'm exaggerating, but not by much.

He's also getting a ton of exposure from this whole event and, I don't care who you are, when you get that kind of attention (and all the accolades and $$$ and everything else), your instinct is to milk it for all its worth, and he does.

Without Covid, he's forgotten.

Fauci is just a shill, in my opinion. He's educated and he's had a lot of history with hands-on participation in his field. But, I don't put a great deal of trust in what he says.

Fauci is the highest-paid shill in the US government.

 

[blazers]

Or maybe 90% made a choice for themselves

The non-vaxx decisions are so bound to political ideology that I don't believe people are randomly choosing, rather they're being influenced by public info.

 

[blazers]

Prolonging? The virus is here to stay. So, more people will always be dying from it. Unless they can find some therapeutics that actually work. The vaccines are hardly foolproof. These vaccines are not like Polio and smallpox vaccines. Apparently, Covid-19 is another kind of cold you can catch and it can worsen, like the flu.

The virus is here to stay, but the pandemic isn't. Our hospitalization rates and the number of breakouts (thinking of week-long school closures for example) would be in a much better position if everyone was vaxxed.

The vaccines are hardly foolproof.

I think you've been ignoring the numbers on hospitalization and death for vaxxed (and unvaxxed + boosted) vs unvaxxed.

 

[blazers]

No one who has been paying attention for two years can say that the medical "experts" have been unanimously on-board from day one because the whole experience has been changing all the time.

These vaccines (which I chose to get last summer) are hardly infallible. I can still get it, suffer from it, die from it and transmit it to other people if I'm vaccinated. The medical experts are going to find it more and more difficult to get people in the future to get vaccines when the ones we've had so far are constantly needing to be boosted.

Especially early, yes, cotton masking, spacing, airborn or fomite were all changing all the time.

But once the FDA said we're a go with vaccines, the vast majority has been onboard with that. And regarding invermectin the vast majority said - "that should be tested first, otherwise you're going to shit your brains out at a minimum, potentially no good reason". Vast majority said same about hydroxychloroquine and others.

 

[blazers]

These vaccines (which I chose to get last summer) are hardly infallible. I can still get it, suffer from it, die from it and transmit it to other people if I'm vaccinated. The medical experts are going to find it more and more difficult to get people in the future to get vaccines when the ones we've had so far are constantly needing to be boosted.

You can get it, but if you're vaxxed there are tremendous odds you won't suffer or die, and vax folks transmit less too. I don't understand your definition of infallible aside for their effect waning over time.

And why is getting boosted such a curiousity? People get annual flu shoots, babies get boosted against stuff. We live in a dynamic world. That some new virus which behaves uniquely compared to past viruses is now a thing shouldn't be a shocker - esp given the possibilities that this shit was man-made.

 

[carolinablue34]

I used to like Osterholm. I still do... kinda. He's obviously very learned and knowledgeable in epidemiology and virology. He doesn't see the whole picture from a practical perspective. He sees it through his filter of what he is- an epidemiologist/virologist. He thinks we should all live in isolation and get shots every week. I'm exaggerating, but not by much.

He's also getting a ton of exposure from this whole event and, I don't care who you are, when you get that kind of attention (and all the accolades and $$$ and everything else), your instinct is to milk it for all its worth, and he does.

Without Covid, he's forgotten.

Fauci is just a shill, in my opinion. He's educated and he's had a lot of history with hands-on participation in his field. But, I don't put a great deal of trust in what he says.

If you've never seen the podcast from Dr. Peter Attia, definitely give it a listen. He's brilliant and espousing the kind of practicality in regards to covid sorely missing from guys like Osterholm and Fauci.

The reason I bring it up is that Attia and his co-hosts brought up Fauci. They know him well and some have worked with him in the past. They don't think he's a phony or purposefully trying to mislead people, but believe that he's let being the government spokesman for covid go to his head. It's more about his own personal arrogance. Osterholm, as you said, doesn't come across as arrogant but what he thinks we should do isn't what the vast majority of people are willing to accept. I ain't burrowing myself in a house because some new variant may or not pop up.

The sad part is, some people probably won't ever venture out of their houses ever again because of how terrified all the doom articles made them.

 

[carolinablue34]

You can get it, but if you're vaxxed there are tremendous odds you won't suffer or die, and vax folks transmit less too. I don't understand your definition of infallible aside for their effect waning over time.

And why is getting boosted such a curiousity? People get annual flu shoots, babies get boosted against stuff. We live in a dynamic world. That some new virus which behaves uniquely compared to past viruses is now a thing shouldn't be a shocker - esp given the possibilities that this shit was man-made.

It's not about getting boosted per say as it is that the goalposts keep moving for this pandemic to end. First it was hunker down for a couple months to flatten the curve. Then we had to wait until the vaccines arrived. As long as we could protect the elderly and vulnerable everyone else was good. Then Delta came along and the CDC reversed course after woke people complained they were being 'unsafe'. Then omicron came along and now everyone has to get boosted.

It's never ending. A covid shot should just be like the flu shot. Annual every year if someone wants one, but not a requirement to get into a movie theater, bar, club, sports venue, etc.

 

[strummingram]

Especially early, yes, cotton masking, spacing, airborn or fomite were all changing all the time.

But once the FDA said we're a go with vaccines, the vast majority has been onboard with that. And regarding invermectin the vast majority said - "that should be tested first, otherwise you're going to shit your brains out at a minimum, potentially no good reason". Vast majority said same about hydroxychloroquine and others.

So, why should Joe Rogan be punished??? He's had all of these people on his podcast.

 

[strummingram]

The virus is here to stay, but the pandemic isn't. Our hospitalization rates and the number of breakouts (thinking of week-long school closures for example) would be in a much better position if everyone was vaxxed.

I think you've been ignoring the numbers on hospitalization and death for vaxxed (and unvaxxed + boosted) vs unvaxxed.

The pandemic is over. And yes I have been ignoring the numbers. Because I have no way of verifying any of them. And you don't either.