Coronavirus

[JimmyNaismith]

" I think tests after contagious stage are really misleading to the general number."

I'm getting nowhere. Is it the way I'm asking the question? In what way, and why, are tests after the contagious stage misleading? How are they accounted for is what I'm after. Are those positive tests not resulting in hospitalizations and deaths, and particularly those after the contagious stage, tallied as 'sickness'? And please understand, how anything that correlates to wastewater results, as interesting as that is, has little to do with what I want to know.

How is a positive test after contagion, and after having no symptoms presented, counted? Is any positive test considered to be indicative of actual sickness (or infection) having occurred?

Sorry I’m not understanding you! I’ll take another stab at it: as far as I know, a new positive test is scores as a “new case”, and begins a “case”. I don’t think any degree of sickness is scored unless the they are admitted to the hospital, the ICU, or die. So a person’s 5th positive test is just another test with no knowledge of their level of sickness. I also don’t know how they consider a case “closed”, because tons of positives are never followed up for a negative test. Well. I hope that helps!

 

[randman1]

" I think tests after contagious stage are really misleading to the general number."

I'm getting nowhere. Is it the way I'm asking the question? In what way, and why, are tests after the contagious stage misleading? How are they accounted for is what I'm after. Are those positive tests not resulting in hospitalizations and deaths, and particularly those after the contagious stage, tallied as 'sickness'? And please understand, how anything that correlates to wastewater results, as interesting as that is, has little to do with what I want to know.

How is a positive test after contagion, and after having no symptoms presented, counted? Is any positive test considered to be indicative of actual sickness (or infection) having occurred?

One thing to keep in mind is no one who doesn't "present" symptoms as they call it actually has the disease. With Covid, public death authorities switched and started calling a positive test alone as having disease. That's not normal. One does not have a case of Covid without symptoms regardless of whether one has the virus present in them.

The presence of the virus or any virus by itself does not mean someone has the disease.

 

[randman1]

Good for her and her family. Sad they got caught by the neo-commies or perhaps neo-nazis, the Covidians.

Italian Tennis Star Camila Giorgi Faked Vaxx-Certificate to Keep Playing . . . and Her Whole Family Is Pureblood

Hundreds of millions of people have been forced to make tough choices thanks to the various Covid-19 "vaccine" mandates. They

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[bluetoe]

One thing to keep in mind is no one who doesn't "present" symptoms as they call it actually has the disease. With Covid, public death authorities switched and started calling a positive test alone as having disease. That's not normal. One does not have a case of Covid without symptoms regardless of whether one has the virus present in them.

The presence of the virus or any virus by itself does not mean someone has the disease.

is that assuming that a positive test can be for either antibodies or the virus itself? This is what I've been trying to nail down, that is, what constitutes 'having Covid'.

It makes sense now, knowing that those keeping score started keeping score differently.

Thanks bigly.

 

[blazers]

is that assuming that a positive test can be for either antibodies or the virus itself? This is what I've been trying to nail down, that is, what constitutes 'having Covid'.

It makes sense now, knowing that those keeping score started keeping score differently.

Thanks bigly.

I can't believe you are seeking information or advice from randman1.

I think for answers on your questions you need to google and define various things as a baseline:
disease
viral infection
symptoms
illness
severity
case
positive test result
<insert other things you aren't sure about>

Then when reading ANYTHING whether a post here or your dinner date with Fauci, realize that the person's definition of the thing you are consuming might be slightly different from your baseline. For example when some article says "X number of people had covid", you need to try and determine whether they're talking about a simple positive test (an indicator that they have a viral infection), or actual illness (symptoms of a disease). Not all viral infections are symptomatic.

 

[blazers]

Oh, and by "positive test result", google "how covid tests work". Serology tests look for antibodies (that could be from infection or vaccination) but other tests, like PCR and antigen look for material indicating a current viral infection.

 

[bleeduncblue]

Congratulations. And, who did you vote for in the last two elections? Clinton and Biden, right?

Lots of Republicans "can't stand the prick", but they support him all the same. And, they especially hate it when any Republican loses to any Democrat. And, Covid is a culprit in their minds.

liking someone and voting for someone are 2 different things. i was simply telling you that loving Trump and skepticism of covid do not always go hand-in-hand. there are millions and millions of people who love Trump and are all vaxxed and boosted up.

 

[strummingram]

there are millions and millions of people who love Trump and are all vaxxed and boosted up.

really?

 

[bluetoe]

I can't believe you are seeking information or advice from randman1.

I think for answers on your questions you need to google and define various things as a baseline:
disease
viral infection
symptoms
illness
severity
case
positive test result
<insert other things you aren't sure about>

Then when reading ANYTHING whether a post here or your dinner date with Fauci, realize that the person's definition of the thing you are consuming might be slightly different from your baseline. For example when some article says "X number of people had covid", you need to try and determine whether they're talking about a simple positive test (an indicator that they have a viral infection), or actual illness (symptoms of a disease). Not all viral infections are symptomatic.

do you honestly think that I haven't gone that route? Sometimes your answer will immediately pop up on the internet, and other times you end up in a circle of sheer frustration. This has been the circle. It amazes and infuriates me that the answer to such a straightforward question can be so elusive. For example, ...

Oh, and by "positive test result", google "how covid tests work". Serology tests look for antibodies (that could be from infection or vaccination) but other tests, like PCR and antigen look for material indicating a current viral infection.

in spite of my deep appreciation for your contribution, this still doesn't tell me how the stats keepers are accounting what they term sickness or having had sickness, and what they deem to BE sickness. And that is what I'm after. As I said in an earlier post, I believe that we produce antibodies to all manner of pathogens, and we never get sick or display symptoms simply because our immune system has done its job. We would not have what most medicos would consider an illness. Yet we would or could test positive for said pathogen having invaded our bodies. My question is, does a positive test in that circumstance get counted as having had Covid (that is, a CASE of Covid, short of hospitalization or death or a display of symptoms). Does such a casual encounter end up being a statistic?

The thing about @randman1 is that he at least does exactly what you're suggesting, and whether or not you like the answer he provides because to you the source is biased, it isn't something that he made up.

 

[randman1]

"‘We have conclusive evidence that the vaccines are inducing sudden cardiac death’ "
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[strummingram]

Good for her and her family. Sad they got caught by the neo-commies or perhaps neo-nazis, the Covidians.

Italian Tennis Star Camila Giorgi Faked Vaxx-Certificate to Keep Playing . . . and Her Whole Family Is Pureblood

Hundreds of millions of people have been forced to make tough choices thanks to the various Covid-19 "vaccine" mandates. They

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[tarheel0910]

NOQ Report - Bias and Credibility

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NOQ Report does not openly disclose ownership; however, a Twitter and Facebook page associated with this website is linked to James Rucker. His Twitter profile reads as follows: #Christian. Husband. Father. EIC at @NOQReport. Believer in limited-government federalism and fiscal conservatism. Pro-Life. Pro-2A. Pro-Israel. Ephesians 6:12. Revenue is derived through advertising and donations.

Analysis / Bias​

In review, NOQ Report publishes news and commentary with a conservative perspective. The website does not produce original news reporting but covers existing news stories and offers opinions about the story. The wording of headlines and articles often contain emotionally loaded language such as this: If Corbyn had won, American leftists here would be making grand comparisons. This story, which is an unlabeled opinion piece, does not contain any form of sourcing and contains highly emotional wording within the article, such as this: “This is an idiotic move by the Democrat-friendly media, but I won’t stop them. Let them try to salvage and rework the narrative.” When it comes to sourcing, most stories are either not sourced or self-link back to themselves.

Editorially, all stories favor the right and denigrate the left. They also do not align with the consensus of science regarding human-influenced climate change, and they promote biblical conspiracy theories such as this: Does Bible prophecy point to climate change ALARMISM as the real existential threat? The basic conspiracy here is that climate change is a tool used to implement socialism. Finally, in 2020 and 2021, NOQ report frequently published false and misleading information regarding the Coronavirus and the Presidential Election.

Failed Fact Checks​

• “Stanford study results” show face masks are ineffective and dangerous. – False
• Are Democrats colluding with the CIA to alter voting machines in key swing states to help Joe Biden? – False
• Corrupted voting system software used in Michigan to steal 6,000 votes from President Donald Trump, and that software also used in seven U.S. swing states? – False

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Everyone knows fact checkers are always wrong. The proof is on Hunter's laptop.

 

[strummingram]

Everyone knows fact checkers are always wrong. The proof is on Hunter's laptop.

I give the crazy fvcker credit for sticking with the same half-dozen propaganda "news sources" to reaffirm his confirmation bias. You might as well have a source that's called WHATIBELIEVEISRIGHT.com

 

[randman1]

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NOQ Report Far-Right Biased based and Questionable based on the promotion of conspiracy theories, right-wing propaganda, poor sourcing, a lack of transparency, and false information.

NOQ Report does not openly disclose ownership; however, a Twitter and Facebook page associated with this website is linked to James Rucker. His Twitter profile reads as follows: #Christian. Husband. Father. EIC at @NOQReport. Believer in limited-government federalism and fiscal conservatism. Pro-Life. Pro-2A. Pro-Israel. Ephesians 6:12. Revenue is derived through advertising and donations.

Analysis / Bias​

In review, NOQ Report publishes news and commentary with a conservative perspective. The website does not produce original news reporting but covers existing news stories and offers opinions about the story. The wording of headlines and articles often contain emotionally loaded language such as this: If Corbyn had won, American leftists here would be making grand comparisons. This story, which is an unlabeled opinion piece, does not contain any form of sourcing and contains highly emotional wording within the article, such as this: “This is an idiotic move by the Democrat-friendly media, but I won’t stop them. Let them try to salvage and rework the narrative.” When it comes to sourcing, most stories are either not sourced or self-link back to themselves.

Editorially, all stories favor the right and denigrate the left. They also do not align with the consensus of science regarding human-influenced climate change, and they promote biblical conspiracy theories such as this: Does Bible prophecy point to climate change ALARMISM as the real existential threat? The basic conspiracy here is that climate change is a tool used to implement socialism. Finally, in 2020 and 2021, NOQ report frequently published false and misleading information regarding the Coronavirus and the Presidential Election.

Failed Fact Checks​

• “Stanford study results” show face masks are ineffective and dangerous. – False
• Are Democrats colluding with the CIA to alter voting machines in key swing states to help Joe Biden? – False
• Corrupted voting system software used in Michigan to steal 6,000 votes from President Donald Trump, and that software also used in seven U.S. swing states? – False

Overall, we rate NOQ Report Far-Right Biased based and Questionable based on the promotion of conspiracy theories, right-wing propaganda, poor sourcing, a lack of transparency, and false information. (D. Van Zandt 12/14/2019) Updated (08/24/2022)

Are you really that wacko to be citing fake news fact checkers?

Rucker is one of the few independent media guys out there and spot on.

 

[randman1]

I give the crazy fvcker credit for sticking with the same half-dozen propaganda "news sources" to reaffirm his confirmation bias. You might as well have a source that's called WHATIBELIEVEISRIGHT.com

Uh huh? How it all of those sites are continually proven right and your media sources are a joke?

Take the laptop. They were all correct and what you think of as legitimate media were all demonstrably lying and claiming it was the Russians.

You are delusional if you think the media sources I cite are not credible just because the lying fact checkers and media say they are not. You realize independent media is their competition, and independent media are not the ones parroting State propaganda like the MSM who literally run narratives based on what the FBI, CIA, DHS and other agencies tell to, and yes, that has been proven.

 

[randman1]

" Overall, the Defense Medical Epidemiology Database shows that cancers tripled among servicemen and their family members after the rollout of the COVID shots. Breast cancer went up 487 percent while exploding cancer rates are also seen elsewhere."

COVID boosters linked to cancer, heart issues, and 'astounding decline' in average lifespans, research suggests - LifeSite

Overall, the Defense Medical Epidemiology Database shows that cancers tripled among servicemen and their family members after the rollout of the COVID shots. Breast cancer went up 487 percent while exploding cancer rates are also seen elsewhere.

www.lifesitenews.com

 

[pooponduke]

The problem is that you really have to read and filter and try to do the best you can to assemble the information and conclusions yourself. Because, no one is trustworthy at this point. I know some of you will not like the "sources", but here's a series of tweets about Politifact's "Fact Checker" on medical issues who has absolutely no medical education or background. He's just a journo, but he says the right message so he's all good, right?

 

[bluetoe]

 

[strummingram]

Uh huh? How it all of those sites are continually proven right and your media sources are a joke?

Take the laptop. They were all correct and what you think of as legitimate media were all demonstrably lying and claiming it was the Russians.

You are delusional if you think the media sources I cite are not credible just because the lying fact checkers and media say they are not. You realize independent media is their competition, and independent media are not the ones parroting State propaganda like the MSM who literally run narratives based on what the FBI, CIA, DHS and other agencies tell to, and yes, that has been proven.

Proven right? Nothing is ever really objectively proven. Your whole Q-ish existence is a sort of floating delusion of paranoia. I just get a mild kick out of making fun of you. It would be different if you weren't responsible for your own behavior and beliefs. You've chosen to be exploited. You're like a Jehovah's Witness or Scientologist.

 

[randman1]

Proven right? Nothing is ever really objectively proven. Your whole Q-ish existence is a sort of floating delusion of paranoia. I just get a mild kick out of making fun of you. It would be different if you weren't responsible for your own behavior and beliefs. You've chosen to be exploited. You're like a Jehovah's Witness or Scientologist.

So you don't accept the lame media's admission that the Hunter Biden laptop was real, 18 months to 2 years, after the media I follow correctly reported it.

Facts can essentially be objectively proven. Philosophically, sure. Nothing can ever be proven, ever. Yet you don't live by that and are a complete hypocrite since you cite fact checkers. Plus you cite fact checkers that lie.

You know that as well, which speaks even worse of your character or lack thereof.

 

[strummingram]

So you don't accept the lame media's admission that the Hunter Biden laptop was real, 18 months to 2 years, after the media I follow correctly reported it.

Facts can essentially be objectively proven. Philosophically, sure. Nothing can ever be proven, ever. Yet you don't live by that and are a complete hypocrite since you cite fact checkers. Plus you cite fact checkers that lie.

You know that as well, which speaks even worse of your character or lack thereof.

Well, a pox upon them for lying!

 

[randman1]

Undercover Video: Pfizer Scientist Admits Company's Concern the Covid Shots Caused Heart Inflammation

“I work for an evil corporation… Our organization is run on COVID money," the scientist also said.

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[strummingram]

"Pfizer: Official Sponsor of the Covid-19 Pandemic!"

 

[tarheel0910]

"Pfizer: Official Sponsor of the Covid-19 Pandemic!"

I've got some Pfizer stock, so maybe they can start another fake virus and come up with one of those vaccines that kills billions and billions of people.

 

[strummingram]

I've got some Pfizer stock, so maybe they can start another fake virus and come up with one of those vaccines that kills billions and billions of people.

Just don't take the shot and you'll be able to reap the benefits.

 

[tarheel0910]

Just don't take the shot and you'll be able to reap the benefits.

Too late. I've already taken it and died twice.

 

[strummingram]

Too late. I've already taken it and died twice.

Take the Moderna shot... the Pfizer shot gives your blood clots the cancer.

 

[blazers]

The problem is that you really have to read and filter and try to do the best you can to assemble the information and conclusions yourself. Because, no one is trustworthy at this point. I know some of you will not like the "sources", but here's a series of tweets about Politifact's "Fact Checker" on medical issues who has absolutely no medical education or background. He's just a journo, but he says the right message so he's all good, right?

View embedded media

She attacks two posts of his. Do you agree with his conclusions (he includes the sources)
?

PolitiFact - There’s no evidence linking COVID-19 vaccine to these athletes’ strokes, blood clots

Blood clots and strokes can happen to anyone at any age. Throughout the COVID-19 pandemic, though, persistent claims hav

www.politifact.com

And

PolitiFact - No, the Food and Drug Administration didn’t say that the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine causes blood clots

A recent study by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration about vaccine safety surveillance in elderly Americans is being

www.politifact.com

 

[randman1]

Air Force football player, 21, dies on way to class after sudden ‘medical emergency’

“His mom and dad, Candyce and Dustin, raised a wonderful son who made each of us a better person.”

thepostmillennial.com

 

[randman1]

Mother Blames Covid Vaccine and Government After Son Develops Blood Clots in His Brain 9 Days Following Vaccine - Son Now Has More Clots and a Damaged Heart

A mother in Draper, Utah broke her silence and revealed that her healthy son developed blood clots in his brain nine days after receiving the experimental mRNA Covid vaccine. Nearly a year later, another blood clot formed in his right leg and moved to his lungs. Cherie Romney revealed that her...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[blazers]

Air Force football player, 21, dies on way to class after sudden ‘medical emergency’

“His mom and dad, Candyce and Dustin, raised a wonderful son who made each of us a better person.”

thepostmillennial.com

21 yr old "experienced a medical emergency" and could not be resuscitated by first responders.

Shouldn't this post be on the "random death with context" thread?

Or did you share the link here on the coronavirus thread because you think this kid had gotten coronavirus in the past 2 yrs and it led to some illness?

 

[bleeduncblue]

really?

absolutely. and there are millions and millions of ANTI-Trump folks who wont touch the vaxx (i live with one of them).

you're trying to draw the shallow conclusion that pro Trump = anti vaxx and that's just stupid and short sighted.

 

[bleeduncblue]

21 yr old "experienced a medical emergency" and could not be resuscitated by first responders.

Shouldn't this post be on the "random death with context" thread?

Or did you share the link here on the coronavirus thread because you think this kid had gotten coronavirus in the past 2 yrs and it led to some illness?

who cares if he got the VIRUS ... we've all had it by now. the question is, did he get vaxxed? (i didnt read the article).

 

[strummingram]

absolutely. and there are millions and millions of ANTI-Trump folks who wont touch the vaxx (i live with one of them).

you're trying to draw the shallow conclusion that pro Trump = anti vaxx and that's just stupid and short sighted.

I simply don't believe that millions and millions of Trump cult members are vaccinated and boosted. Sorry.

 

[bleeduncblue]

I simply don't believe that millions and millions of Trump cult members are vaccinated and boosted. Sorry.

so out of 74 million Trump voters (or anti Biden voters), you dont believe there are millions and millions who were fully supportive of the CDC recommendations, vaxx and booster steps, etc? i can name 4 in my family alone: my mom, my sister-in-law and my aunt/uncle. you're just being obtuse

 

[strummingram]

so out of 74 million Trump voters (or anti Biden voters), you dont believe there are millions and millions who were fully supportive of the CDC recommendations, vaxx and booster steps, etc? i can name 4 in my family alone: my mom, my sister-in-law and my aunt/uncle. you're just being obtuse

I'm not talking about Republican stalwarts that always vote Republican, no matter the candidate. I'm talking about Trump disciples. It doesn't matter because there's no way to prove it.

I'm referring to cult members like @randman1 however many "millions and millions" of people like him that are running around are sure as hell not getting vaccinated and boosted.

 

[tarheel0910]

All these sites are being very inefficient by posting about a few people dying/having medical problems because of the vax. Why not just create a list and save themselves some work? Or just write an article about the three people that were vaccinated, but had no issues.

 

[blazers]

who cares if he got the VIRUS ... we've all had it by now. the question is, did he get vaxxed? (i didnt read the article).

Article didn't mention anything about virus or covid. We know the virus causes myriad health probs including cardiovascular. But we also know 21 yr olds died randomly pre-covid... so that's why i'm wonder if the "article" should be in the "random deaths, why can't we all live forever" thread.

 

[randman1]

Strum is an idiot or lying. He can't even use logic here.

Says stalwart Republicans differ from what he calls Trump disciples. First, there are no Trump disciples. You can see that on how so many conservatives and Trump supporters did not want McCarthy, or any number of issues.

However, the GOP base, the primary voters, the most stalwart Republicans, did in fact vote for Trump over a ton of other possible candidates, and some pretty decent ones.

Second, only an idiot would believe millions of so-called Trump disciples did not take the jab sadly. Sure, a minority of millions did not.

But if they were Trump disciples, all of them would have taken the jab because Trump repeatedly promoted the fake vaccines and has never walked that back.

Strum is just flat deranged in his claims.

 

[randman1]

I simply don't believe that millions and millions of Trump cult members are vaccinated and boosted. Sorry.

So why are you not vaxxed? You said yourself you won't take the boosters, which means you are now unvaccinated.

Are you in a cult or what?