Ever seen confederate flag on NC license plate?

[uncfootball-]

Yes, they surely do. Of course, that's not the only reason it does exist. But yes it is lucrative.

Another fun fact for you.. if Billy Bob in the trailer park doesnt like black people or Shawn in the hood doesnt like white people you are not going to change their mind. You can talk about it, draw pictures, take down road signs, form study groups, try different educational plans.. won't matter.

 

[carolinablue34]

Well, Lee at Water was a good example of how it continues on. And I have no doubt that it will continue to find a way to linger, and therefore need to be rooted out. I would hope that it wouldn't be as bad as it was 10 years, or 20 years, or a hundred years ago. I'd like to think that it would get better. I'm sure it is getting better. But it's never going to completely go away.

I think there's a limit, however. It's not to say we shouldn't all try to continue to improve as a society but to constantly walk on egg shells and incorporate 'anti-racism' into public education as some of these people are calling for is not a viable solution.

 

[strummingram]

Another fun fact for you.. if Billy Bob in the trailer park doesnt like black people or Shawn in the hood doesnt like white people you are not going to change their mind. You can talk about it, draw pictures, take down road signs, form study groups, try different educational plans.. won't matter.

See, that's your opinion it's not a fact, and it's certainly not a fun fact.

 

[strummingram]

I think there's a limit, however. It's not to say we shouldn't all try to continue to improve as a society but to constantly walk on egg shells and incorporate 'anti-racism' into public education as some of these people are calling for is not a viable solution.

Are you talking about the implementation of these things like unity and equality on the uniforms of the sports teams?

 

[gunslingerdick]

Another fun fact for you.. if Billy Bob in the trailer park doesnt like black people or Shawn in the hood doesnt like white people you are not going to change their mind. You can talk about it, draw pictures, take down road signs, form study groups, try different educational plans.. won't matter.

Right. And I think @strummingram even would agree to that if he's being honest.

As a country, we should demand that our laws treat everyone the same. Outside of that, we shouldn't do a goddam thing about the racism that lives within the individual. The reason we shouldn't is because it's an unsolvable problem and any attention to the unsolvable problem is not only a waste of time but often has an adverse effect and exacerbates the problem, which is exactly what we've seen over the last year.

 

[uncfootball-]

See, that's your opinion it's not a fact, and it's certainly not a fun fact.

I speak from personal experience. For example.. someone could talk for years about how wonderful Duke/State are.. still not rooting for them. Someone could talk years about being pro choice.. won't matter to me. Point is if someone feels strongly about something you are not going to change their mind.

 

[strummingram]

I speak from personal experience. For example.. someone could talk for years about how wonderful Duke/State are.. still not rooting for them. Someone could talk years about being pro choice.. won't matter to me. Point is if someone feels strongly about something you are not going to change their mind.

Great, an anecdotal opinion. Still not a fun fact. I'm not going to change anyone's mind. Only the people, themselves, change their own mind. But circumstances in society absolutely assist people in people changing their minds about something. That's actually much closer to a fun fact.

 

[gunslingerdick]

See, that's your opinion it's not a fact, and it's certainly not a fun fact.

What would you need to see to believe what he is saying is true?

 

[gunslingerdick]

Great, an anecdotal opinion. Still not a fun fact. I'm not going to change anyone's mind. Only the people, themselves, change their own mind. But circumstances in society absolutely assist people in people changing their minds about something. That's actually much closer to a fun fact.

But if he is telling you that he's not going to change, then it has just become a fact.

 

[strummingram]

What would you need to see to believe what he is saying is true?

I already stated that I'm not going to change the mind of hypothetical people in a situation. But circumstances, and codified law, absolutely help to frame or change the minds of people in a society. Billy Bob and Shawn are not impervious to change.

 

[uncfootball-]

I already stated that I'm not going to change the mind of hypothetical people in a situation. But circumstances, and codified law, absolutely help to frame or change the minds of people in a society. Billy Bob and Shawn are not impervious to change.

I think that is the mindset of many liberals. They can force people to believe a certain way.

 

[strummingram]

I think that is the mindset of many liberals. They can force people to believe a certain way.

So that's another opinion, not a fun fact? I'm not sure why anybody would think that they could force a person to believe a certain way. They can influence it oh, but they can't force it.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I already stated that I'm not going to change the mind of hypothetical people in a situation. But circumstances, and codified law, absolutely help to frame or change the minds of people in a society. Billy Bob and Shawn are not impervious to change.

Explain circumstances.

And what laws could you dream up would be codified laws that might have an impact on Billy Bob in the trailer park?

 

[strummingram]

Explain circumstances.

And what laws could you dream up would be codified laws that might have an impact on Billy Bob in the trailer park?

I don't dream up the laws. It's no longer illegal for blacks and whites to marry. In fact, now I would find Billy Bob and Shawn sharing wives more than I would have 50 years ago.

 

[uncboy10]

Another fun fact for you.. if Billy Bob in the trailer park doesnt like black people or Shawn in the hood doesnt like white people you are not going to change their mind. You can talk about it, draw pictures, take down road signs, form study groups, try different educational plans.. won't matter.

Many people have been talked out of racism by simply being exposed to the people they were taught to hate.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I don't dream up the laws. It's no longer illegal for blacks and whites to marry. In fact, now I would find Billy Bob and Shawn sharing wives more than I would have 50 years ago.

I was asking you about future laws. Unless you feel the current laws suffice. If so, you and I would be in agreement that current laws protect all people the same. Please confirm.

as to the feelings of Billy Bob, do you think he’s more accepting of interracial marriages than he would be without such a law. If so, that’s quite a leap of faith you’re taking.

 

[strummingram]

I was asking you about future laws. Unless you feel the current laws suffice. If so, you and I would be in agreement that current laws protect all people the same. Please confirm.

as to the feelings of Billy Bob, do you think he’s more accepting of interracial marriages than he would be without such a law. If so, that’s quite a leap of faith you’re taking.

Billy Bob is a fictional person so he doesn't accept or rebuke anything.

I don't make laws. I don't even conceptualize laws. I'll leave that up to the lawmakers. And offer expert commentary once they've been put into place.

 

[carolinablue34]

Are you talking about the implementation of these things like unity and equality on the uniforms of the sports teams?

No, not that. I don't see those things as being particularly effective at instituting the change people desire but I don't oppose them either.

I'm talking about forums where white people were not allowed to talk or ask any questions for fear of 'taking up space' or instituting anti-racism policies some of these nut jobs are advocating for in kids as young as five.

 

[strummingram]

No, not that. I don't see those things as being particularly effective at instituting the change people desire but I don't oppose them either.

I'm talking about forums where white people were not allowed to talk or ask any questions for fear of 'taking up space' or instituting anti-racism policies some of these nut jobs are advocating for in kids as young as five.

Okay... I'm not familiar with those forums. Do you have any details you can link?

 

[bluetoe]

You can say whatever you want. But, don't be surprised when it's met with an equal dissent, especially if it's unpopular.

You have a habit of insulting people with name-calling every time you offer any comment. It's like a verbal tic that you can't filter and make sure to put-it-to-written-word. You never "take it for what its worth and ignore it" if someone says something you don't like. You don't just laugh at it, either. At least not on here, when I've been paying attention. You use that time to show-off your stunning vocabulary and insult list. That must be the level that you think and the level that you communicate.

OK dimwit

 

[carolinablue34]

OK dimwit

lol you are the angriest most unpleasant SOB on here. Do you just go looking for fights?

 

[bluetoe]

Tribal biases are absolutely a universal feature of human psychology. How you establish your in group and out group does not have to be drawn upon racial lines though. If some alien species were attacking us then all of that nonsense would go right out the window because suddenly the entire human species would be one big tribe fighting for its survival.

It's not just race. Many people are vehemently against foreign aid simply because 'its not OUR people.'

Oh, you mean like in WWII where blacks were completely integrated with all the other soldiers to fight the alien (in the broadest sense of the word) entities?

We should learn to understand and express things the simplest way possible. Humans evolved looking after their own immediate kind and distrusting those not like them....with good reason, because those others are also looking after theirs and might have bad intentions. And it didn't start with humans, it started much farther back in the chain of evolution (for those who don't think God did it).

We still piss and moan about putting our own citizens of Japanese ancestry into internment camps instead of understanding that it was a natural reaction to Japanese treachery (which itself was not entirely unjustified).

It isn't rocket surgery. We have an innate distrust of those not like us, and to treat that long-evolved human trait as some sort of evil is the height of ignorance and lunacy. It isn't good and it isn't evil; it just is the way it is. And what we miss in our misguided social engineering is to see both sides of the coin. We emotionally want to place the blame on the side with the apparent upper hand and we fail to understand that all sides have the same human nature and that no one is to blame for that.

That's why I preach that those who screech at every perceived negativity are morons who need at best to be met with contempt. What is important and is the ONLY thing that really matters is to work and work to better a system that respects the rights of every member...even if begrudgingly...and stops stupidly trying to turn us into Kumbaya Village. Kumbaya Village ain't gonna happen and THANK GOD for that.

In the meantime, people who stupidly think that they hold some sort of moral straight flush will overpromote those who they perceive to be behind the eight ball when it would serve us all better if we allowed free competition to sort out the winners and losers.

The same competition that got us here in the first place shouldn't be derided. The winners should be admired and even adulated, not scorned.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I was asking you about future laws. Unless you feel the current laws suffice. If so, you and I would be in agreement that current laws protect all people the same. Please confirm.

Bump for @strummingram

 

[gunslingerdick]

Oh, you mean like in WWII where blacks were completely integrated with all the other soldiers to fight the alien (in the broadest sense of the word) entities?

We should learn to understand and express things the simplest way possible. Humans evolved looking after their own immediate kind and distrusting those not like them....with good reason, because those others are also looking after theirs and might have bad intentions. And it didn't start with humans, it started much farther back in the chain of evolution (for those who don't think God did it).

We still piss and moan about putting our own citizens of Japanese ancestry into internment camps instead of understanding that it was a natural reaction to Japanese treachery (which itself was not entirely unjustified).

It isn't rocket surgery. We have an innate distrust of those not like us, and to treat that long-evolved human trait as some sort of evil is the height of ignorance and lunacy. It isn't good and it isn't evil; it just is the way it is. And what we miss in our misguided social engineering is to see both sides of the coin. We emotionally want to place the blame on the side with the apparent upper hand and we fail to understand that all sides have the same human nature and that no one is to blame for that.

That's why I preach that those who screech at every perceived negativity are morons who need at best to be met with contempt. What is important and is the ONLY thing that really matters is to work and work to better a system that respects the rights of every member...even if begrudgingly...and stops stupidly trying to turn us into Kumbaya Village. Kumbaya Village ain't gonna happen and THANK GOD for that.

In the meantime, people who stupidly think that they hold some sort of moral straight flush will overpromote those who they perceive to be behind the eight ball when it would serve us all better if we allowed free competition to sort out the winners and losers.

The same competition that got us here in the first place shouldn't be derided. The winners should be admired and even adulated, not scorned.

Well stated. You're killing everyone in this thread.

 

[bluetoe]

lol you are the angriest most unpleasant SOB on here. Do you just go looking for fights?

here's a dollar. Maybe pay somebody to explain humor to you. It isn't just posting an 'lol' when it's YOU who is angry and disgruntled. It's good-naturedly calling somebody 'dimwit' who just accused you of name-calling.

But yes, I do like to pick fights with dipshits like you. It makes me happy, not angry. Idiot.

 

[bluetoe]

Racism certainly isn't as cut and dry as it was back in the 50s and 60s when there was no question that black people were being systematically oppressed in the Jim Crow south (and many other places too).

So even if that brutal social darwinism type of racism is largely gone, certain other prejudices can be hidden under the guise of many different forms. Best example I can think of is the Lee Atwater quote.

"Y'all don't quote me on this. You start out in 1954 by saying, "******, ******, ******". By 1968 you can't say "******"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this", is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "******, ******". So, any way you look at it, race is coming on the back-burner."

 

[bluetoe]

Well stated. You're killing everyone in this thread.

thank you, that means a lot to me coming from you. And of course, you don't give a shit that it does.😛

 

[uncboy10]

Oh, you mean like in WWII where blacks were completely integrated with all the other soldiers to fight the alien (in the broadest sense of the word) entities?

We should learn to understand and express things the simplest way possible. Humans evolved looking after their own immediate kind and distrusting those not like them....with good reason, because those others are also looking after theirs and might have bad intentions. And it didn't start with humans, it started much farther back in the chain of evolution (for those who don't think God did it).

We still piss and moan about putting our own citizens of Japanese ancestry into internment camps instead of understanding that it was a natural reaction to Japanese treachery (which itself was not entirely unjustified).

It isn't rocket surgery. We have an innate distrust of those not like us, and to treat that long-evolved human trait as some sort of evil is the height of ignorance and lunacy. It isn't good and it isn't evil; it just is the way it is. And what we miss in our misguided social engineering is to see both sides of the coin. We emotionally want to place the blame on the side with the apparent upper hand and we fail to understand that all sides have the same human nature and that no one is to blame for that.

That's why I preach that those who screech at every perceived negativity are morons who need at best to be met with contempt. What is important and is the ONLY thing that really matters is to work and work to better a system that respects the rights of every member...even if begrudgingly...and stops stupidly trying to turn us into Kumbaya Village. Kumbaya Village ain't gonna happen and THANK GOD for that.

In the meantime, people who stupidly think that they hold some sort of moral straight flush will overpromote those who they perceive to be behind the eight ball when it would serve us all better if we allowed free competition to sort out the winners and losers.

The same competition that got us here in the first place shouldn't be derided. The winners should be admired and even adulated, not scorned.

If you wanted to make excuses for being a racist prick you didn’t have to type out that long ass poast that nobody is gonna read.

 

[blazers]

Oh, you mean like in WWII where blacks were completely integrated with all the other soldiers to fight the alien (in the broadest sense of the word) entities?

We should learn to understand and express things the simplest way possible. Humans evolved looking after their own immediate kind and distrusting those not like them....with good reason, because those others are also looking after theirs and might have bad intentions. And it didn't start with humans, it started much farther back in the chain of evolution (for those who don't think God did it).

We still piss and moan about putting our own citizens of Japanese ancestry into internment camps instead of understanding that it was a natural reaction to Japanese treachery (which itself was not entirely unjustified).

It isn't rocket surgery. We have an innate distrust of those not like us, and to treat that long-evolved human trait as some sort of evil is the height of ignorance and lunacy. It isn't good and it isn't evil; it just is the way it is. And what we miss in our misguided social engineering is to see both sides of the coin. We emotionally want to place the blame on the side with the apparent upper hand and we fail to understand that all sides have the same human nature and that no one is to blame for that.

That's why I preach that those who screech at every perceived negativity are morons who need at best to be met with contempt. What is important and is the ONLY thing that really matters is to work and work to better a system that respects the rights of every member...even if begrudgingly...and stops stupidly trying to turn us into Kumbaya Village. Kumbaya Village ain't gonna happen and THANK GOD for that.

In the meantime, people who stupidly think that they hold some sort of moral straight flush will overpromote those who they perceive to be behind the eight ball when it would serve us all better if we allowed free competition to sort out the winners and losers.

The same competition that got us here in the first place shouldn't be derided. The winners should be admired and even adulated, not scorned.

cliffnotes

 

[uncfootball-]

If you wanted to make excuses for being a racist prick you didn’t have to type out that long ass poast that nobody is gonna read.

Just curious.. how did you know it contained excuses if you didnt read it.

 

[uncboy10]

Just curious.. how did you know it contained excuses if you didnt read it.

The longer you guys go without figuring out OOTB humor, the more amusing it becomes.

 

[bluetoe]

Many people have been talked out of racism by simply being exposed to the people they were taught to hate.

are you going to acknowledge those who have become racist (or more racist from strum's POV) due to exposure to those they have not been taught to hate? It happens. Or even those who do not become less racist due to said exposure?

Can we stop trying to force everybody to like everybody else, and just work on making everyone respect the entire citizenry and the rights that citizenship entails?

 

[uncboy10]

are you going to acknowledge those who have become racist (or more racist from strum's POV) due to exposure to those they have not been taught to hate? It happens. Or even those who do not become less racist due to said exposure?

Can we stop trying to force everybody to like everybody else, and just work on making everyone respect the entire citizenry and the rights that citizenship entails?

It is extremely strange that you find a conversation about racism to be a threat to your liberty. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. You are more than welcome to carry on being a backwards douchebag.

 

[bluetoe]

If you wanted to make excuses for being a racist prick you didn’t have to type out that long ass poast that nobody is gonna read.

why would I feel the need to make excuses for being what strum insists I am no matter what I or anyone does?

And sorry about your illiteracy. You have no idea what you're missing. But we do.

 

[uncfootball-]

Take the NFL for example. When I watch a game I assume the players on the field are there because they are the best available, gives the team the best chance to win. I assume the coaches were hired because they were the best that were available to be hired. Well there has been a big push for more black coaches. I have not seen a big push for more white players. I wonder why this is.

 

[gunslingerdick]

The longer you guys go without figuring out OOTB humor, the more amusing it becomes.

Says the guy who is the butt of everyone else's jokes.

 

[uncboy10]

why would I feel the need to make excuses for being what strum insists I am no matter what I or anyone does?

And sorry about your illiteracy. You have no idea what you're missing. But we do.

No I’m pretty sure we all got it. You don’t want to be forced to like black people

 

[uncboy10]

Take the NFL for example. When I watch a game I assume the players on the field are there because they are the best available, gives the team the best chance to win. I assume the coaches were hired because they were the best that were available to be hired. Well there has been a big push for more black coaches. I have not seen a big push for more white players. I wonder why this is.

Probably because there isn’t a long legacy of discrimination against white players in the NFL. Black coaches have traditionally been passed over for head coaching jobs even when they were qualified. That’s not exactly a secret. They had to implement a rule just to get many franchises to interview black candidates.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Probably because there isn’t a long legacy of discrimination against white players in the NFL. Black coaches have traditionally been passed over for head coaching jobs even when they were qualified. That’s not exactly a secret. They had to implement a rule just to get many franchises to interview black candidates.

I want to know how this "even when they've been qualified" is measured. Can someone shed some light on this? Also, so what? Maybe the white guy was more qualified. Maybe the white guy articulated his plan better. Maybe the white guy agreed to kiss the ass of the owner better.

So they implement a rule that basically says, "we have to trot some black folks in here for a fake interview just to satisfy some diversity quota." How would you like to be that black guy? "Yay,...I got an interview for a job just because I'm black!" Is there anything more patronizing than that?

Eric Biennemy has been seen as a head coach in waiting. He's been interviewed several times now. With everyone consumed with race and making sure they don't look racist, he's still getting passed up. At what point do we finally say, "he's a good coach but apparently he's just not head coach material"?

 

[bluetoe]

It is extremely strange that you find a conversation about racism to be a threat to your liberty. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. You are more than welcome to carry on being a backwards douchebag.

who says this conversation poses a threat to me? I feel no more threatened by this conversation than by your 'extremely strange' banality. What's actually happening in the real world is another matter. What I'm being forced to do is to live in the environment created by emotionally driven dolts like you. The obliviousness that you exhibit here is not a problem, but if one can assume that you are just as mentally dull in real life, and that many millions of others are just as limited as you are.....then there is great cause for concern.

No I’m pretty sure we all got it. You don’t want to be forced to like black people.

well, you are capable of some understanding. I don't want to be forced to like ANYthing. I want to choose what I like and don't like. And you can stupidly imply that I don't like black people all you care to, that certainly isn't out of line with the rest of your mentality.

I think of black people the same way I think of all people; like some, don't much give a shit about most of them. But I will just as quickly defend any black person's rights as I will any white person's.

It's a shame that one can be capable of acknowledging the freedom to individually choose and yet not be able to comprehend the worth of it and its importance to making the American way of life what it has been.