Fire Hubert
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It's definitely not the one coming in '22.
'23 however could be really good if he can reel in GG
With the top players staying only one year, there's not really such a thing as a class that can save a coach any more. A class with several very good 4 star types who stay 3 and 4 years, coupled with a dynamic, advanced one and done STUD is as close as you could come these days.
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It seems people are WAY over reacting on this one. I see the, "he is undeserving" and "they look terrible" but do people not remember the last two years of Roy? It's possible UNC won't make the tourney this year, but Roy had a couple years of not making it or being borderline. I recognize as fans we expect to win every year, and venting is natural, but it seems this is more vitriol over a coach holding the bag of a program that was slipping before he took the reins.
I'll ignore the casual racism of "he only got it because he's black" as there's no place for that, but instead focus on the fact lots of great coaches took a couple of years to get the teams they wanted. As noted, Dean wasn't wildly popular early, K took some time after losing 13, 17, and 17 in his first few years. Self had some terrible loses at KU early in his tenure. The list goes on and only by giving Hubert a couple of years will we tell if he's deserving.
I can't tell if this is genuinely directed at Hubert, or a frustration with the current state of the overall program which Hubert doesn't deserve full blame for.
I'll ignore the casual racism of "he only got it because he's black" as there's no place for that, but instead focus on the fact lots of great coaches took a couple of years to get the teams they wanted. As noted, Dean wasn't wildly popular early, K took some time after losing 13, 17, and 17 in his first few years. Self had some terrible loses at KU early in his tenure. The list goes on and only by giving Hubert a couple of years will we tell if he's deserving.
I can't tell if this is genuinely directed at Hubert, or a frustration with the current state of the overall program which Hubert doesn't deserve full blame for.
With me, it’s the horrific defense, the curb stompings, and the stupid things he says. Experience has nothing to do with the idiocy that comes out of his mouth. He comes off a fool. The obsession that every member of the coaching staff has to be a UNC guy is pretty stupid, too.
How is "he only got it because he's black" racist? I'm not degrading his race.. only pointing out the reason I think he was hired.
So why do you think Hubert was hired to be the head coach?
Harris. Sure, he was technically eligible until Spring semester started, but he knew he was going to be ineligible and played him anyway. That is decidedly NOT the “Carolina Way”.
Boy, that's a good one.
It reminds me of an interview of this old white RACIST in Mississippi when asked if the reason he didn't like Obama was because he was black. He answered: "Naw, it ain't cause he's black. It's cause he's a half-breed!"
People are amazing!
Not liking someone because of race means you dont think their race is good enough. In no way am I saying his race is not good enough. I am saying his lack of coaching experience is not good enough. I could list many white, black, brown, mixed that were not qualified. I'm saying Roy wanted to have a Black American as a head coach so coaching experience was not a factor. So why do you think Hubert got the job as head coach?
I think your assuming, and insisting, that HD was hired because of his race... is racist. You're padding, and back-pedaling, with the second and third sentence.
1- You don't know that his coaching ability is subpar. We haven't seen enough to know.
2- If Roy Williams, or anyone else, did hire him because of his race... that is racist. But, I don't believe Roy Williams groomed him because he was black.
I think Roy Williams thought Davis was the best person to take over the job. He's had him by his side for many years, now. He knows his abilities and how he interacts with the kids. I don't think his race was important to Williams. He's had Steve Robinson by his side even longer and Robinson has head coaching experience. They could have picked him if they wanted to act-out some socially-progressive statement. Black coaches are hardly some new thing. Hubert isn't like Charlie Scott. Roy Williams isn't like Branch Rickey and HD being Jackie Robinson.
I hope he can evolve into the kind of coach the team/school needs and is used to. If he doesn't, and the folks who hired him based on their gut feeling, or fondness for him as a former player, assistant coach and representative of the school, are going to be in a tough spot in a few years.
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So you believe that Roy thought Hubert was better for the job than a coach with head coaching experience? Well ok then.
Interesting you mentioned Charlie Scott... I think Roy thought this was his Charlie Scott moment. See Dean recruited Charlie Scott for one reason.. he was a great basketball player. If Charlie was 5'8 and couldnt dribble with either hand then Dean wouldnt have offered a scholarship. Dean was smart enough to NOT allow race to play into who he recruited. Seems to be a tad different with Roy pushing for Hubert.
You're contradicting yourself, here. If Roy thought it was a "Charlie Scott moment", but, Dean recruited Scott because of his talent... then, what does Davis' race have to do with it???
Roy saw the opportunity to get a Black American the first head coaching job at UNC. There is no contradicting.. pointing out that trying to be like Dean, Roy failed big time.
Could it be we can't make adjustments due to pieces we have? I think Washington will be a big piece that can moved around. Hoping Trimble is more of a facilitator. Add a healthy Puff getting a full summer of pickup in, freshman turning into sophomores that have some athletiscm. Nickels is probably more long term Kerwin can spend the summer improving foot speed and defense. I don't know about Garcia or McKoy,
I would say pick up games should focus on breaks, secondary as well with an emphasis on over passing. High speed, go, go,go. Defensively, pressure. Nice to watch other teams force offenses to operate 3 or 4 ft from the 3 point line.
We may not own the middle, but we could really run and press nonstop if all improve.
I would say pick up games should focus on breaks, secondary as well with an emphasis on over passing. High speed, go, go,go. Defensively, pressure. Nice to watch other teams force offenses to operate 3 or 4 ft from the 3 point line.
We may not own the middle, but we could really run and press nonstop if all improve.
Soooo... Dean Smith recruited Charles Scott because he was black???
Go find Roy Williams and ask him if he wanted HD to be coach because he was black.
If Mike Tomlin, head coach of the Steelers wanted to be the football coach at UNC, interviewed for the job but UNC hired some white guy that was an assistant coach at Boston College then I would say it seems someone just wanted to hire a white guy. Not putting down either race.. only stating how it looks based on qualifications.
I do think he believed that. That was how he was hired at Kansas and how his mentor Dean Smith was hired at UNC. I think he believes that is at least as good if not the best way to hire in his opinion. I think he believes the better hire was the guy who played for Dean, was mentored by him, also coached under Pat Riley and other coaching legends.
One that he had personal hands on coaching experience with, had a strong sense of his coaching philosophy, recruiting philosophy, his ability to handle adversity in what was sure to be a tough act to follow in himself at UNC, etc.
Hubert certainly was not everyone's pick, or the clear cut sparkling top choice no brainer candidate, and he may or may not not succeed, but he was qualified.
I am pretty sure the only color Roy thought about when he endorsed Hubert was Carolina blue. He believed Hubert was the best coach to continue the legacy built by Coach Smith. To imply otherwise, in my opinion, does a disservice to both Roy and Hubert. Has this season met expectations, definitely not. Can much of that be attributable to a coaching miscues, without a doubt.
I think Hubert has plan for the type of team he puts on the floor, and he does not have those parts in place this season. If Hubert had a true pg along with consistent outside shooters I am pretty sure things would be different.
I would love to see Hubert combine Coach Smith's defensive scheming with Roy's transition basketball. He has the pedigree but the question remains can he (A) recruit the players to execute it, and (B) teach them how to do it. I do not think this team is built to play how he wants to play and he is not experienced enough to adapt on the fly. I do not want him fired but he definitely needs to show more accountability than he has.
He can discuss the lack of leadership on the court when he in the locker room but not in front of the media. I completely agree that he should not have to coach effort but he does need to punish the lack of it. And at the end of the day he is the one who should be taking the blame for poor execution, whether it's really his fault or not.
I think Hubert has plan for the type of team he puts on the floor, and he does not have those parts in place this season. If Hubert had a true pg along with consistent outside shooters I am pretty sure things would be different.
I would love to see Hubert combine Coach Smith's defensive scheming with Roy's transition basketball. He has the pedigree but the question remains can he (A) recruit the players to execute it, and (B) teach them how to do it. I do not think this team is built to play how he wants to play and he is not experienced enough to adapt on the fly. I do not want him fired but he definitely needs to show more accountability than he has.
He can discuss the lack of leadership on the court when he in the locker room but not in front of the media. I completely agree that he should not have to coach effort but he does need to punish the lack of it. And at the end of the day he is the one who should be taking the blame for poor execution, whether it's really his fault or not.
Hubert wasn't hired solely because he is black. But if you don't think that played even a small part in it, you're choosing to ignore the state of race and racial discussion currently in this country.
I saw a guy make a fair point on Twitter. He said that an AD who hires a guy that all the rival schools do not want him to hire likely got the right guy. Alternatively, if you hire a guy that rival fans unanimously laugh at then you likely picked the wrong guy.
Well, I certainly saw lots of rival fans laughing at Carolina when HD was named coach.
Well, I certainly saw lots of rival fans laughing at Carolina when HD was named coach.
The Mike Tomlin comparison is an interesting one. He also did not have any head coaching experience, and many questioned the Rooney's reason for hiring him.
That certainly can be the case, but the highly panned "laughable" hiring of the guy down the road with the crazy long name worked out. As did the hiring of some no name dude from Kansas who replaced Frank McGuire.
Sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong.
To say those are the exceptions to the rule, would be a vast understatement. Just because we were extremely lucky, doesn't mean we will again. Think about this, there are over 300 schools in D1. How many of those coaches are HOF coaches and how many have been fired at least once over the last 10 years? The Dean argument is horrible. Not sure why anyone who says they know what basketball is uses that argument.
I agree, I highly doubt any hire can be expected to become one the the greatest of all times, like those two laughed at choices did. By definition becoming one of the best ever is an exception to the rule.
Dean was an unknown with zero head coaching experience, whose hiring was laughed at for a team who was winning and competing for national championships under McGuire. Plenty of laughed at hires have indeed failed though. Most coaches indeed do not last.
Is FIRE Hubert still a thing? I mean, it sounds so yesterday and didn't the Beatles tell us that yesterday was gone?
I don't like the fluff jobs he does in postgame pressers either. It gets more irritating with each poor showing.
Yeah, it's one thing to think positive; another to blow smoke.
Comparing the GREAT Mike Tomlin to Hubert Davis is a SLAP IN THE FACE to Mike Tomlin. Hubert Davis Babies the players and there is NO consequences for bad play or non hustle. Mike Tomlin is not that guy. I'd take Mike Tomlin to coach my football team or basketball team any day of the week. I can tell you the basketball team would look and play harder and smarter than they are right now!
Being the first black this or the first female that is old, stale, and quite frankly, a stupid way to think about things. There was a time when that kind of thing mattered. That time is over. The fact that Hubert Davis is black has never even entered my thought process, and it never will. For whatever reason, he got a job he wasn't qualified for. I'm hoping for the best, but I'm certainly not expecting a whole lot at this point, and it's not about our record, it's about the fact that we don't play hard and that Hubert doesn't seem interested in developing our talent or a work ethic among our guys. We shall see...........
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I am comparing the hire with no head coaching experience. Was directly saying it was interesting mentioning him as he was a surprise hire with no head coaching experience when most thought Russ Grimm was a lock.
It happens quite often, the Hubert hire is not an anomaly and sometimes it works out great, as Tomlin did, sometimes it doesn't as Matt Nagy did. Hope it works this time for my Bears they just did the same again today.
1 Auburn Bruce Pearl 1 FF, 0 NCAATT
2 Gonzaga Mark Few 2 FF, 0 NCAATT
3 Arizona Tommy Lloyd 0 FF
4 Baylor Scott Drew 1 FF, 1 NCAATT
5 Kansas Bill Self 3 FF, 1 NCAATT
6 Purdue Matt Painter 0 FF
7 UCLA Mick Cronin 1 FF, 0 NCAATT
8 Houston Kelvin Sampson 2 FF, 0 NCAATT
9 d00k Krazywhiskey 12 FF, 5 NCAATT
10 MSU Tom Izzo 8 FF, 1 NCAATT
And since our chances of being the champ are extremely slim… Today’s top ten, a mixed bag but some very good coaches there. As for winning it all, just don’t want the vampire, Pearl, or Self to win. Don’t really want UCLA either. Izzo probably deserves another and wouldn’t mind Few getting one.
2 Gonzaga Mark Few 2 FF, 0 NCAATT
3 Arizona Tommy Lloyd 0 FF
4 Baylor Scott Drew 1 FF, 1 NCAATT
5 Kansas Bill Self 3 FF, 1 NCAATT
6 Purdue Matt Painter 0 FF
7 UCLA Mick Cronin 1 FF, 0 NCAATT
8 Houston Kelvin Sampson 2 FF, 0 NCAATT
9 d00k Krazywhiskey 12 FF, 5 NCAATT
10 MSU Tom Izzo 8 FF, 1 NCAATT
And since our chances of being the champ are extremely slim… Today’s top ten, a mixed bag but some very good coaches there. As for winning it all, just don’t want the vampire, Pearl, or Self to win. Don’t really want UCLA either. Izzo probably deserves another and wouldn’t mind Few getting one.
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