Lol in the unlikely scenario where the Heels aren’t able to win it, wouldn’t mind seeing Few/Drew II. That would be a hell of a battle.
Fire Hubert
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Hubert's first year has some interesting stats to go along with disappointing losses to top quality opponents. Stats always allow for your own conclusion. The offense was hailed as having both inside and outside advantages, so opponents pick your poison. After 20 games, we have no advantage over our opponent in either fgs made or 3 pt made. UNC has a +5 per game ft advantage but give that back with a -3 per game turnover deficit. To me these stats just reinforce(the eye test) that Hubert's offensive system has not been able to allow this group to be successful in the advantages that are built in to the starting 5. Hubert cannot change much at this point in the season but he needs to address his inability to implement successful half court offensive execution. I think this has a lot to do with the thinking he's over his head. Hubert made an inexperienced mistake; execution is not that simple, it requires some complexity. Opposing coaches have easily prepared, Hubert is thwarted with his limited options and the game plays out on the players shoulders.
One puzzling stat is home/away defense. UNC has held opponent scoring way down when at home this season. We aren't winning with offense at home but defense. Sure we give up some easy baskets but on the whole, it is a tremendous effort on this side of the ball at home. On the other hand, our defense has been obliterated when we play away. It is like night and day. Anyway, this defense doesn't travel well.
One puzzling stat is home/away defense. UNC has held opponent scoring way down when at home this season. We aren't winning with offense at home but defense. Sure we give up some easy baskets but on the whole, it is a tremendous effort on this side of the ball at home. On the other hand, our defense has been obliterated when we play away. It is like night and day. Anyway, this defense doesn't travel well.
Good points, the offense in my opinion is not broke. You need to make plays, and that is on Caleb. We shoot it well from 3, an area we were putrid in the last few years running. Lanes are open to drive, but you have to win those 1 on 1 opportunities. Make 2 guys guard you, then kick, or finish/draw foul. Win that opportunity.
I think we are a much better more dynamic version on offense then what we have seen of late, much better, but we don't have "that guy" who will make the play yet, the one when it's time to finish is a plus finisher. I think Caleb is the only guy with that possible makeup for this year. A work in progress, he can not defer as he has in a handful of games.
I think we are a much better more dynamic version on offense then what we have seen of late, much better, but we don't have "that guy" who will make the play yet, the one when it's time to finish is a plus finisher. I think Caleb is the only guy with that possible makeup for this year. A work in progress, he can not defer as he has in a handful of games.
We see it from opposite viewpoints. Most feel its not the offense but the player. But telling is not coaching. Im totally disappointed in our lack of execution. Hubert has repeatedly said we have a team that can win a national championship, this year. So he is extremely high on his talent level. TOS states Carolina has top 5/6 national talent. We have not lived up to our talent level and fans have moved to we don't have the exact talent at the exact position. JMO, Caleb, thru failure and/or Hubert setting up some structured options when contested at the rim, is making some better decisions. Haven't seen much difference in RJs rim attacks, it seems to always go up regardless of the obstacles.
An eye test failure in this offense are perimeter passes are overly contested. You cannot allow wing pass denial(to merely initiate the offense), that is failure. There are too many available options to torch such a simple defensive scheme. If a coach feels he has 2 guards(not a true point) running the offensive set, he has to ensure that first pass is conceded by the defense. How is it that defenses deny our wing passes and at the same time double the post? No legit offensive "system" allows both without wide open shots.
Have to disagree on this one. I think he's improved a lot in this area (and others).
Still not all the way there yet, but I'm extremely optimistic that RJ will be a top PG next season. He has the chops and the grit to be special.
I certainly hope so, because while Trimble looks really good, I don't want him to have to run the show as a freshman. Let him come along backing up at both guard positions and see how he fits.
He may indeed be finishing better but facilitating easy shots with kickouts and Bacot layups has not materialized, yet. He has given great effort as of late and for sure he will log major minutes next year. There is nobody on this team Id rather have with an open jumper. He is money when open and free throws are automatic.
No casual racism. Quit looking for shit that aint there. A real racist will find racism in any and every aspects of life.
Probably but wait til season is over.
Everybody back on the Hubert train after beating awful VT, BC, and NC State teams?? Only 1 of those teams has a winning record (barely) and we are supposed to be happy now? Cmon. Don't be an idiot so soon. I guess you can be happy beating on the little guys but let's see how Hubert does next Saturday then talk..
Dude, you sound like a broken record. You’ve thrown in the towel on Hubert and the team and it seems you want to be right more than you want the team to prove you wrong and be successful.
Hubert has coached 20 games and you’ve decided he can’t get the job done. If the PTB at UNC and d00k had done that, Dean and Krazywhiskey would have been fired early on.
How about we give Hubert and the staff a little time before we rush to judgement and decide they can’t do the job?
Carolina has not put together a game anywhere close to this performance. It was an absolute dominant performance on both sides of the ball. There have been some improvements offensively by Hubert before this game so indeed he is putting in some heavy coaching(that I thought was lacking) and yesterdays result may be the evidence . We will see as the next four games are all tough. His outburst with the second unit late in the second half was genuine and great to see.
Sure we shot well vs State and they didn't match up well with us but Im highly encouraged with the half court offensive execution. It consistently created open perimeter shots(Manek didn't have to rush). We attacked the rim and did so without the usual double digit turnovers. The defense was just as impressive both on the perimeter and at the rim.
Gotta believe Hubert went off at the second units lack of any execution because thats the starters next year along with RJ. Those guys get little court time together and Hubert was not gonna let it slide.
Sure we shot well vs State and they didn't match up well with us but Im highly encouraged with the half court offensive execution. It consistently created open perimeter shots(Manek didn't have to rush). We attacked the rim and did so without the usual double digit turnovers. The defense was just as impressive both on the perimeter and at the rim.
Gotta believe Hubert went off at the second units lack of any execution because thats the starters next year along with RJ. Those guys get little court time together and Hubert was not gonna let it slide.
No, I am not back on the Hubert train, but I NEVER got off of it!
It would be nice to get a Quad 1 win.
Can you get a decent seed without one?
As of 2 days ago - before shellacking State - Lunardi had us among the last 4 in. In other words, needing to win a play-in game to get into the top 64. Yikes!
We are 0-6 vs Quad 1 teams...
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Beating a poor State team doesn’t justify anything. It was a good win and the team played well. We’ve also seen them play historically bad, so let’s see what happens down the stretch. So far, Carolina hasn’t beaten a relevant team all year but they will have their chance in a few days to get a resume win and it’s very much needed to build a tournament resume.
I wanna see a few wins against good teams. The next three games are all opportunities, IMO. At Louisville and at Clemson would both qualify as good wins for me. Louisville is better than their record, Littlejohn is a tough place to play, and of course the dook game. All are winnable.
In somewhat related news, how does Jerod Haase still have a job at Stanford?
In his sixth season. One 20-win season, 2 losing seasons, and zero tournament appearances.
Hubert is heading toward a 20-win season and a tournament berth in his first try.
In his sixth season. One 20-win season, 2 losing seasons, and zero tournament appearances.
Hubert is heading toward a 20-win season and a tournament berth in his first try.
With the loss State dropped out of the top 100 poll.. they are at 122 now. Quality win.
@Kerwinwaltonsafro has been noticeably absent. There's a small group who only show up when the team loses.
Yeah but not at all surprised! LOL Hey, give 61 credit, at least he showed up and tried to defend their want but the kerwin dude abandoned him, left him stranded on that island, at least respect 61 for standing by his past offerings even if I have not agreed with them.
Haase took his Stanford team on the road and won @ #15 USC this past Thursday. That's an impressive road win.
I've always pulled for Hubert. I didn't agree with the lack of a hiring process, but he's the coach, so I'm pulling for him. He's gotta man up and cut the hyperbole. Also......the only thing we have proven is that we can beat bad teams at home.
I'm not a troll. But, I do get a small kick out of calling-out your lame trolling.
You are a troll.
I'm not a troll. But, I do get a small kick out of calling-out your lame trolling.
I'm a Tar Heel.
And from this point, you're blocked and you can go troll yourself.
I dunno what you think a "Tar Heel" actually is, but I'm fairly confident that a great many Tar Heels are nothing like you.
Let's look at our losses and realistically look at where this team has failed. Losses to ranked Purdue, Kentucky, Tennessee; losses to a good Wake Forest team, an experienced Miami team (with 6 year seniors) and a Notre Dame team that has not lost a home game all year. The least quality loss is Notre Dame. Many of you got freaked out about the lopsided loses. As a former athlete, I can assure you that close losses and blowout losses all hurt. This coach and team are figuring things out as they try to gel into the most improved version of our team that they can become.
Winning requires more than just showing up in a Tarheel uniform. Winning involves having experienced players, skilled talent, luck and some coaching. I recall a football experience where my team faced an inferior team in every way. Our team was undefeated, untied and we were un-scored on in the first eight games of the season. We faced a team that had not won a game all season and had been soundly defeated each game with lopsided scores. We traveled to their field and needless to say, we were soundly defeated by that team. That team was hungry and had been embarrassed so much that they took out all of their past frustrations on us that day. Let's just say that the inferior team scored more than 40 points, while our team never found the end zone that game.
We learned a valuable lesson from that loss. For the remainder of the season, we only lost one more game in the second round of the state playoffs. When pride to protect the home field and a loss of fear of the opponent kicks in, any team can be defeated on any day (ie. Buster Douglass vs Mike Tyson). Yes, the sports are different, but athletic competition is one the same level. Superior talent and program doesn't always translate to assure winning every game or multiple titles. The last duke and kentucky titles were when???? Loads of talent, but no titles to claim in recent history.
What I'm trying to say is please give our athletes and coaches a chance to properly grow. The great Dean Smith was almost fired before his philosophy took hold to become the Carolina Way. No, Coach Davis is not the great Coach Smith, Coach Guthridge or Coach Williams. But I do believe that he is a work in progress. Winning is a Carolina tradition, but there will be bumps in the road where we may to rebuild our program back to the standard. That takes time and patience. We can and will do it with our fans extending a little grace to the current coaches and team. Some of the chatter on these forums are toxic and may influence potential athletes to choose other schools over Carolina, in order to avoid all of the negative scrutiny. Sorry for the long post.
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Ali, Proud Carolina Tarheel Fan 55 Years and Counting
Winning requires more than just showing up in a Tarheel uniform. Winning involves having experienced players, skilled talent, luck and some coaching. I recall a football experience where my team faced an inferior team in every way. Our team was undefeated, untied and we were un-scored on in the first eight games of the season. We faced a team that had not won a game all season and had been soundly defeated each game with lopsided scores. We traveled to their field and needless to say, we were soundly defeated by that team. That team was hungry and had been embarrassed so much that they took out all of their past frustrations on us that day. Let's just say that the inferior team scored more than 40 points, while our team never found the end zone that game.
We learned a valuable lesson from that loss. For the remainder of the season, we only lost one more game in the second round of the state playoffs. When pride to protect the home field and a loss of fear of the opponent kicks in, any team can be defeated on any day (ie. Buster Douglass vs Mike Tyson). Yes, the sports are different, but athletic competition is one the same level. Superior talent and program doesn't always translate to assure winning every game or multiple titles. The last duke and kentucky titles were when???? Loads of talent, but no titles to claim in recent history.
What I'm trying to say is please give our athletes and coaches a chance to properly grow. The great Dean Smith was almost fired before his philosophy took hold to become the Carolina Way. No, Coach Davis is not the great Coach Smith, Coach Guthridge or Coach Williams. But I do believe that he is a work in progress. Winning is a Carolina tradition, but there will be bumps in the road where we may to rebuild our program back to the standard. That takes time and patience. We can and will do it with our fans extending a little grace to the current coaches and team. Some of the chatter on these forums are toxic and may influence potential athletes to choose other schools over Carolina, in order to avoid all of the negative scrutiny. Sorry for the long post.
Thanks,
Ali, Proud Carolina Tarheel Fan 55 Years and Counting
Wow, so much wrong with this. One, I didn't say the guy was a racist, but saying the belief a person was hired solely because of his race, when that person has ZERO evidence, is a racist position.
And two, people being worse doesn't mean it cleans everything that is slightly better. The second most racist man on Earth can't claim he's not racist because there's a most racist man on Earth.
Here are the facts: Hubert hasn't lived up to UNC expectations, but then neither did Roy in his last two years. Many, many coaches struggle when they take over a program, as has been shown. Dismissing Hubert's hiring by saying he only got it because of his race reduces him to a color and removes his personality, traits, experience, etc. The people who know him best thought he was the right person for the job. Unless someone has evidence the only reason he was hired was due to race, it's racist at worse, racially insensitive at best.
When everything is racist, nothing is. The word has been so misused, it's nearly impossible to separate real racism from phony, mislabeled racism in the current victimhood climate.
With the pattern that Carolina has shown in the past in regards to social issues, it's not outrageous to believe that Hubert being black was at least a factor. I'm not sure I've seen anyone claim it was the sole reason he was hired. But for a storied, blue blood to hire a no experience, wet-behind-the ears, noob for its head coaching position and pairing that with the way the school has bent over backwards to appear a certain way (the hiring of the 1619 project author, the grandstanding about the Silent Sam, etc.), it's a reasonable conclusion to make. And I don't think it's automatically a bad thing. You making it sound like anyone that thinks that his race was at least a factor is a bad person is as much a problem as what you're railing against.
But get yourself ready. Because if Hubert fails miserably, those claims will grow exponentially. If he succeeds, like we all want him to, then none of it will matter. Winning cures all.
Wow, so much wrong with this as well.
One, point out who said HD race was the sole reason he was hired. Me thinks you're just trying to set up a position for the future.
And two, people claiming racism at every turn will find racism at every turn. If he had not been hired, you would surely have claimed it was because HD is black. Look at the other candidate that were mentioned when the "search" for a new coach came up. Every single last one had HC experience....Stevens, Miller, Oats, Drew, etc have HC experience. Maybe they weren't hired because they aren't black. Sounds kinda dumb, dont it?
I'm not going to get any more into it beyond this post as this is a sports board. Here is a quote from this thread, and there were MANY like this when he was hired if you care to look: "I think the problem most fans have and I am included in that group is they didnt hire Hubert because he was qualified but hired him because he was a Black American."
In other words, race was not A factor, but THE factor.
That's hugely insulting, not just to Hubert, but to everyone in the UNC decision making process because they're saying they were more interested in looking good, than being good. Do you really think the AD and Roy didn't think Hubert would be a great coach, but they just took him because he checked a box? If you don't think it's insulting to reduce a person who played in the pros for 12 years and has been an assistant at UNC for 9 for getting the job simply because of his race, there really isn't much to talk about anyway.
Regardless, we'll see how he does. Hopefully he is great and all the people whining he was hired can sit down.
WoW, FANTASTIC post, can not thank you enough for saying this! PLEASE post more!
It’s mind boggling the sheer talent we’ve lost out on to Haase and then peeping that stat 😳
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