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The sooner people get used to the fact they're are things much more important than college athletics the better off we'll all be. Although it does have it's place as long as it's all kept in perspective, GO HEELS !

Who thinks college athletics is the most important thing? If they shut down all college sports tomorrow I'd sleep just fine tomorrow night.
 
Who thinks college athletics is the most important thing? If they shut down all college sports tomorrow I'd sleep just fine tomorrow night.
IF that were true then you would not be more than just a casual fan, no way you would waste your time following what folks on a message board think, much less bothering to speak with them. Yet you do seem to follow at least this sites boards and the opinions of it's posters a good bit. You even take the time out of your life to post your thoughts, at times with passion added to your opinion.

Of course there are things more important than any type of sports but lets not minimalize the importance of sports either. Actually, when I see such a thing I tend to automatically feel that person saying such an "interesting notion" may have some OTHER AGENDA they are trying to work...
 
It was a realistic choice that would have been an upgrade. Few and stevens weren’t realistic options
Nate Oats bout to lose his 9th game of the year before this night is done. I am not interested in even more 3' s than what we are alreading chucking up.
They have talent, but are the definition of UNDISCIPLINED.
 
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IF that were true then you would not be more than just a casual fan, no way you would waste your time following what folks on a message board think, much less bothering to speak with them. Yet you do seem to follow at least this sites boards and the opinions of it's posters a good bit. You even take the time out of your life to post your thoughts, at times with passion added to your opinion.

Of course there are things more important than any type of sports but lets not minimalize the importance of sports either. Actually, when I see such a thing I tend to automatically feel that person saying such an "interesting notion" may have some OTHER AGENDA they are trying to work...

Well up to a week or so ago I hadnt posted for i'd guess 4 months. Lost my job so I had more important things going on. Didnt even care to look at the board. So I would be fine if sports were cancelled. They dont pay my bills. As far as any agenda I have no clue what that means.
 
Whats this have to do with WV? At least we hillbillies are smart enough to see whats right in front of our eyes. Some people like you could get smacked with sh$t right in their face and wouldn't know where the smell was coming from.
Hell yeah!
 
Well up to a week or so ago I hadnt posted for i'd guess 4 months. Lost my job so I had more important things going on. Didnt even care to look at the board. So I would be fine if sports were cancelled. They dont pay my bills. As far as any agenda I have no clue what that means.
Come on dude, as I said, there ARE things more important than sports!

Now, having said that, hear this, I hate that you lost a job that it seems you loved. Been thru that myself, I know all the different aspects it hits you with, I walked that road myself. I have gone thru MORE than my share of tough things over the last few years and no one on this site understands how much. I actually used this place as a place that allowed me for just a short while to forget about my problems and just think about something else for a while. I will NEVER say this means nothing to me because it helped me keep my mind centered in the face of stuff that I would not wish on anyone.

I hope things work out GREAT for you, I could not be more sincere about that. But do not EVER lessen the value of being able to think about something else if just for a little while. That which you may think is of little importance could become exactly what you need to get you thru hard times. A little bit of distraction and real faith in a power greater than self could be exactly what you need, man to man, forget about sports, man to man I want you to have peace!
 
Whats this have to do with WV? At least we hillbillies are smart enough to see whats right in front of our eyes. Some people like you could get smacked with sh$t right in their face and wouldn't know where the smell was coming from.
Some of the sweetest friends I have ever had were from West Virginia and I have several! This is not about people from that state, folks are just talking about what you post...
 
If Hubert were lighting it up on the recruiting trail then I wouldn't be feeling so pessimistic about the way this is going. He isn't some X's and O's guru that will coach circles around the opposition with marginal talent.
 
the fact that we haven’t been remotely competitive against any of the good teams we’ve played this year says a lot
 
Should we be surprised that a man with 16 22 games experience got out-coached by a 40 year veteran with nearly 700 over 1000 wins? I'm not saying Hubert is the right guy, but c'mon, we have to give him a chance to learn and grow. Not to mention that he's stuck with some guys that don't appear to give a shit the minute they face some adversity.
wash, rinse, repeat
 
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Let's look at our losses and realistically look at where this team has failed. Losses to ranked Purdue, Kentucky, Tennessee; losses to a good Wake Forest team, an experienced Miami team (with 6 year seniors) and a Notre Dame team that has not lost a home game all year. The least quality loss is Notre Dame. Many of you got freaked out about the lopsided loses. As a former athlete, I can assure you that close losses and blowout losses all hurt. This coach and team are figuring things out as they try to gel into the most improved version of our team that they can become.

Winning requires more than just showing up in a Tarheel uniform. Winning involves having experienced players, skilled talent, luck and some coaching. I recall a football experience where my team faced an inferior team in every way. Our team was undefeated, untied and we were un-scored on in the first eight games of the season. We faced a team that had not won a game all season and had been soundly defeated each game with lopsided scores. We traveled to their field and needless to say, we were soundly defeated by that team. That team was hungry and had been embarrassed so much that they took out all of their past frustrations on us that day. Let's just say that the inferior team scored more than 40 points, while our team never found the end zone that game.

We learned a valuable lesson from that loss. For the remainder of the season, we only lost one more game in the second round of the state playoffs. When pride to protect the home field and a loss of fear of the opponent kicks in, any team can be defeated on any day (ie. Buster Douglass vs Mike Tyson). Yes, the sports are different, but athletic competition is one the same level. Superior talent and program doesn't always translate to assure winning every game or multiple titles. The last duke and kentucky titles were when???? Loads of talent, but no titles to claim in recent history.

What I'm trying to say is please give our athletes and coaches a chance to properly grow. The great Dean Smith was almost fired before his philosophy took hold to become the Carolina Way. No, Coach Davis is not the great Coach Smith, Coach Guthridge or Coach Williams. But I do believe that he is a work in progress. Winning is a Carolina tradition, but there will be bumps in the road where we may to rebuild our program back to the standard. That takes time and patience. We can and will do it with our fans extending a little grace to the current coaches and team. Some of the chatter on these forums are toxic and may influence potential athletes to choose other schools over Carolina, in order to avoid all of the negative scrutiny. Sorry for the long post.

Thanks,

Ali, Proud Carolina Tarheel Fan 55 Years and Counting
It's not always about winning or losing its how you lose!
 
It's not always about winning or losing its how you lose!
Yeah, I think that's the point people are missing. If we were losing by 8-12 points, then I doubt there is so much frustration. The issue is that we are looking like a bad mid-major team against good teams. This team isn't devoid of talent. There's enough talent there to at least be competitive.
 
I think that's probably what it should be, but being a nice guy and a former player will probably get him 4-5 years unless the wheels fall off.
Being a nice guy and former player helped get him the job. I don't think it will help him keep it.

ETA: If something drastic happens after this season- like a half dozen transfers- that might even make the wait even shorter. He's going to have to learn a lot faster than most and the results on the court will have to materialize faster.

Now, MAYBE the Roy Williams factor/influence hangs around and they keep him longer than he should be kept. I hope RW has enough humility to see if his choice wasn't ideal and let people with better knowledge do their jobs.
 
The wheels are currently hanging on by a single lug nut
This is more overreaction, in my opinion. If they were losing to inferior teams, then I might agree. But, they're not losing to them. They are getting their clocks cleaned by superior talent. There's no denying that. HD has a piecemeal team on a good day.
 
Being a nice guy and former player helped get him the job. I don't think it will help him keep it.

ETA: If something drastic happens after this season- like a half dozen transfers- that might even make the wait even shorter. He's going to have to learn a lot faster than most and the results on the court will have to materialize faster.

Now, MAYBE the Roy Williams factor/influence hangs around and they keep him longer than he should be kept. I hope RW has enough humility to see if his choice wasn't ideal and let people with better knowledge do their jobs.
We'll see, but I think if he is mediocre he'll get longer than he should.
 
This is more overreaction, in my opinion. If they were losing to inferior teams, then I might agree. But, they're not losing to them. They are getting their clocks cleaned by superior talent. There's no denying that. HD has a piecemeal team on a good day.
There's enough talent on the team to be competitive. We haven't even been competitive.
 
This is more overreaction, in my opinion. If they were losing to inferior teams, then I might agree. But, they're not losing to them. They are getting their clocks cleaned by superior talent. There's no denying that. HD has a piecemeal team on a good day.
The problem is not that they are losing. 16-7 and top 3 in the ACC is not too bad.

The problem is they are losing games by 20+. That should be unacceptable at UNC.
 
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We'll see, but I think if he is mediocre he'll get longer than he should.
Maybe so. I don't know, and we won't know until more time passes. It's a gigantic stage to try and have to learn-as-you-go, for the first time.

If they keep getting piss-pounded by the "better teams", and remain on the bubble of the NCAAT, and, god forbid, a bunch of kids transfer and he can't recruit to replace them, then mediocre isn't going to pass. I hope HE would have some humility and realize "I'm not able to do this."

But, again, this season is playing-out better than I expected. The only real issue is getting your doors blown-off by every better team they play. Averaging a 30 PPG loss is not acceptable.
 
There's enough talent on the team to be competitive. We haven't even been competitive.
There should be. But, that group of kids do not seem to mesh very well, for whatever reason. That was why I said piecemeal. There is no sense of camaraderie on that team at all... not even the slightest. There's no leader, there's no "I got your back" displayed anywhere.
 
We'll see, but I think if he is mediocre he'll get longer than he should.
Yup, this is exactly how I see it going and my biggest fear. People who keep quoting "3 years" because of Doherty are severely mistaken. He's too well liked and has the biggest CBB brand to back him and get him talent he can underachieve with and keep us mediocre.

which in turn gives his sycophants enough ammunition to keep claiming he just needs a little more time.
 
There should be. But, that group of kids do not seem to mesh very well, for whatever reason. That was why I said piecemeal. There is no sense of camaraderie on that team at all... not even the slightest. There's no leader, there's no "I got your back" displayed anywhere.
I agree with that, but I would argue it's the coaches job to get them to become a team. Maybe there really is some bad chemistry and/or locker room issue, but I don't really see that. I see a team with no direction. Hopefully Hubert can improve on that as he gets more experience. I really do want him to succeed, but it's not looking good right now.
 
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Yup, this is exactly how I see it going and my biggest fear. People who keep quoting "3 years" because of Doherty are severely mistaken. He's too well liked and has the biggest CBB brand to back him and get him talent he can underachieve with and keep us mediocre.

which in turn gives his sycophants enough ammunition to keep claiming he just needs a little more time.
This is my exact fear as well. I could see them keeping him through 4-5 years of mediocre/sub-par seasons when in reality if he was an outsider he would’ve gotten 3 years tops. The longer Carolina accepts mediocrity the more difficult it will be to climb out of.

Barring a complete overhaul of talent, next year appears to be looking worse. That would mean his first two years are very bad by Carolina standards and by that time HD will have lost much of the fan base so idk how he would recover. It’s just hard to see a positive outcome at the moment.
 
When ACC teams play ACC teams someone has to win.. I just don't think the league is very good. I'm thinking 3 ACC teams in the sweet 16 with only Duke in a regional final.
 
Shoulda hired Wes. Everyone's saying he has what it takes.

I still think the idea we have to keep everything in the family is bullshit, but if that's going to be our default setting at least hire someone who's been a head coach before.
He was my choice.

I think he will continue to get better at it, too. However, if he had been chosen and the team was at a .500 record this season, people would have been bitching because they hired in the UNC family instead of getting MArk Few or Brad Stevens, or a half-dozen others that didn't want the job!
 
He was my choice.

I think he will continue to get better at it, too. However, if he had been chosen and the team was at a .500 record this season, people would have been bitching because they hired in the UNC family instead of getting MArk Few or Brad Stevens, or a half-dozen others that didn't want the job!
Not if he was competitive. People wouldn't be getting upset. If you are going to be an unqualified coach, you have to at least be competitive. Next year will be when we see how good/bad Hubert really is. He will have had plenty of time to install his system with the players that are still here and we get to see if there's been improvement in the players.

But there was no half dozen others that didn't want it. No other non UNC coach was even interviewed.
 
By the way, as I type this, Wes Miller's 15-6 Bearcats are getting their doors blown of by Houston, in Cincy by 21 points.
 
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