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I also think it's horribly shitty to only defend people who support you when you're President. The best Presidents tried to understand those who dislike them, the worst tried to further that divide. History will see Trump as the latter.
Obama was worse, as evidenced by his handling of the Ferguson case. He had a great opportunity to unify the races once and for all. Instead, he chose to further divide us and neuter our policemen.

You can be outraged at both. I know because I am. You can also think the cop was just a terrible cop who used excessive force. You don’t have to think he did it because he hates black people. And you don’t have to think I’m a racist because I don’t necessarily see the race angle here. Why can’t it just be a bad cop killed a guy?
Amen. According to statistics, a cop is 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black man than vice versa. This was a bad cop who should and will be prosecuted for manslaughter. He’ll go to prison. Justice done. In all likelihood, he won’t survive long.

It’s terrible when any, repeat any citizen is wrongly killed by a police officer. Policemen are generally held to a higher standard because of the power they wield and because they’re supposed to uphold our laws. But like any other profession, there are bad people working in it. So hold them accountable, and prosecute them when it’s clear they exceeded their bounds.

But the media has a tendency to paint policemen with a broad, unfavorable brush, much as our last President did. This has widened the divide between policemen and their communities and made a thankless, already difficult job even tougher.

I wish the press would stop vilifying the police in general, and stop stop blowing these incidences out of proportion. That is what leads to the senseless and lawless riotous behavior such as burning and looting, which most adversely affects the lawbreakers’ own neighbors and family members.

When rioters can burn a police station with impunity, it spells the beginning of the end of law and order. MLK would be appalled at the lawlessness.
 
Message from UNC campus leaders on events in Minneapolis
Like so many of you, we have seen the recent events in Minneapolis where George Floyd, an unarmed Black man, died while in the custody of police officers. We denounce the actions of the police officers and support the decision to hold those responsible accountable. As we struggle to comprehend these events, we share your sadness, grief and frustration. (UNC.edu)
 
it was bad here in cola last night, but the mayor shut that s down with a curfew...had about a 100 arrests and some burned police cars and looted businesses.

re: the police officer, he’s definitely a bad cop...he’s got, iirc, 18 grievances against him?...what are the chances he’s not a racist?...if he’s the same clown seen in a variety of social media posts, not even the infamous one, i suspect he’s guilty of being a racist.

cops still don’t get it...there’s a video of one officer displaying what appears to be the “white power” signal...i doubt he was saying ok, either.
 
You can be outraged at both. I know because I am. You can also think the cop was just a terrible cop who used excessive force. You don’t have to think he did it because he hates black people. And you don’t have to think I’m a racist because I don’t necessarily see the race angle here. Why can’t it just be a bad cop killed a guy?
this is the quintessential voice of reason. Great post. But those who preach against hate and focus on hate they perceive to be concentrated in certain instances, are nothing but haters themselves. Your words will fall on deaf ears, even when some agree with them in principle. White man/black man>negative outcome, racism has to be in play.

Besides, what doers it matter? What matters is that an individual apparently usurped the rights of another individual and in so doing deprived him of everything, THAT is what matters.

You can't cure human nature but we should at least be able to outthink it. You certainly have, and I wish to God that the overly wrought simpletons could too.
 
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The people who complained about Kaepernick taking a knee will be the exact same people who try to change the subject from police brutality to rioting.

People tried to peacefully protest and were hit with rubber bullets and tear gas. Can't really act surprised when that leads to riots.

nope, you're wrong. i didnt like Kaep (and others) taking a knee ... and this was 100% police brutality and i hope the cops involved rot in jail.
 
The cop was using excessive force, obviously. There was no need to do what he was doing, and the audacity of continuing with the severity while he knows he's being recorded.

Another thing I noticed; If you can't breathe, then, physically, it's probably going to be difficult (I think) to continue to yell out: "I can't breathe!"

that's something you say when you're in the process of being choked (whether by a person or a piece of food) and you need help. i would consider it an alert / cry for help more than a statement of fact.
 
same type of evil mindset that has existed since the beginning of man. power in the hands of someone who believes they're immune to the consequences.

I would never paint the police as an inherently corrupt organization. That being said I think we can all agree there is a clear need of reform. What happened to George Floyd cannot happen again.
 
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I would never paint the police as an inherently corrupt organization. That being said I think we can all agree there is a clear need of reform. What happened to George Floyd cannot happen again.

most certainly not "inherently corrupt" --- but power (just like money) makes some people do some crazy things.

i dont see this type of evil any different than the gang leaders who kidnap a 14 year old girl, rape her then cut her head off with a chainsaw. we just dont get those events broadcast on national TV .. for reasons that i'll keep to myself.
 
i dont see this type of evil any different than the gang leaders who kidnap a 14 year old girl, rape her then cut her head off with a chainsaw. we just dont get those events broadcast on national TV .. for reasons that i'll keep to myself.

Weird place to take that.

Are you saying that black people do this? Did George Floyd do this? Wondering why you brought that up.
 
I would never paint the police as an inherently corrupt organization. That being said I think we can all agree there is a clear need of reform. What happened to George Floyd cannot happen again.

Most cops I know are good people who do a good job helping people everyday. I think they could do a better job of finding out who "bad cops" are and flushing them out. Apparently this cop had 2 letters of reprimand against him and nearly 20 complaints. Maybe he should have been let go a long time ago. If 20 people found me to be bad at my job I certainly wouldn't have that job.

But again, a few bad ones ruin the rep for most in that organization.

Most black people I've met are good people. Just like apparently one black person "kidnapping a 14 year old girl, rape her then cut her head off with a chainsaw" ruins their reputation for one OOTB poaster.
 
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Most cops I know are good people who do a good job helping people everyday. I think they could do a better job of finding out who "bad cops" are and flushing them out. Apparently this cop had 2 letters of reprimand against him and nearly 20 complaints. Maybe he should have been let go a long time ago. If 20 people found me to be bad at my job I certainly wouldn't have that job.

But again, a few bad ones ruin the rep for most in that organization.

Most black people I've met are good people. Just like apparently one black person "kidnapping a 14 year old girl, rape her then cut her head off with a chainsaw" ruins their reputation for one OOTB poaster.

The first part of what you said is one of the biggest keys to solving this problem. Too often police departments become like closed off fraternity’s and there isn’t incentive to weed out bad cops.

Friend of mine actually was training to be an officer. Really good guy, the type a force needs. He and his gf were driving home down I93 in southern Massachusetts when they came by some highway construction in which the road was narrowed to one lane. Officer said it was cool to go through but when they reached the other side, that particular cop screamed and yelled at them, reducing his fiancé to tears. He reported the incident to his superiors.

As it turns out, the officer who yelled at him found out who he was and basically blacklisted him as a snitch which prevented him from being hired full time. He’s now trying to be a firefighter lol.

The point is there is definitely not enough accountability for bad cops. That’s the first thing that needs to change.
 
Most cops I know are good people who do a good job helping people everyday. I think they could do a better job of finding out who "bad cops" are and flushing them out. Apparently this cop had 2 letters of reprimand against him and nearly 20 complaints. Maybe he should have been let go a long time ago. If 20 people found me to be bad at my job I certainly wouldn't have that job.

But again, a few bad ones ruin the rep for most in that organization.

Most black people I've met are good people. Just like apparently one black person "kidnapping a 14 year old girl, rape her then cut her head off with a chainsaw" ruins their reputation for one OOTB poaster.
I hate to admit this... no, I don't... but, that crime sounds like a deranged white male crime, to me!
 
Weird place to take that.

Are you saying that black people do this? Did George Floyd do this? Wondering why you brought that up.
I believe he’s saying, and he can correct me if I’m wrong, that crimes perpetrated against minorities get a lot more press. I think that’s a valid point. Every life matters, and that includes the many black on black crimes that occur weekly in cities like Baltimore, Chicago, Oakland, etc... But those crimes aren’t inflammatory and get minimal press. Every senseless death by violence should be of equal concern, regardless of the color of the perpetrator or the victim. But with groups like BLM, they aren’t. Some are more “important” than others.

It’s why I hate the term “hate crime”. If you commit a crime against someone, whether it’s because you don’t like their race, their sexual proclivities, or their religion, the penalty should be the same. You violated their rights and that should be all there is to it. Hate is too subjective to figure into the equation.
 
'Hate crime' is an important distinction in the same way that terrorism is an important distinction. If the Klan burns a cross in the front yard of a black family, that is clearly not ordinary vandalism or trespassing. Arguing that the penalty should be the same is crazy and totally dismissive of the implications for people who are victimized by that kind of crime.

That's why the hate crime distinction exists, its not just for every crime committed against a person of color.
 
'Hate crime' is an important distinction in the same way that terrorism is an important distinction. If the Klan burns a cross in the front yard of a black family, that is clearly not ordinary vandalism or trespassing. Arguing that the penalty should be the same is crazy and totally dismissive of the implications for people who are victimized by that kind of crime.

That's why the hate crime distinction exists, its not just for every crime committed against a person of color.
If you violate someone’s rights, you violate their rights. Whether it’s due to race, religion, or sexuality, it shouldn’t matter. This guy was murdered, this guy was murdered with extreme prejudice. What difference does it make? A human life is forever lost. We’re quantifying crimes based on race, religion, or sexuality?

We’ll agree to disagree.
 
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If you violate someone’s rights, you violate their rights. Whether it’s due to race, religion, or sexuality, it shouldn’t matter. This guy was murdered, this guy was murdered with extreme prejudice. What difference does it make? A human life is forever lost. We’re quantifying crimes based on race, religion, or sexuality?

We’ll agree to disagree.

This crime is not being prosecuted as a hate crime, and I didn't say that it should be.

Do you really think that some nazi spray painting swastikas on Jewish gravesites should be prosecuted as ordinary vandalism? Should the klan burning a cross in front a black family's home being considered ordinary vandalism or trespassing? Those are typical examples of hate crimes. And they have completely different implications than ordinary vandalism.

I'm fine with agreeing to disagree, but I don't think you're really considering the perspective of the victims in those sorts of cases.
 
I believe he’s saying, and he can correct me if I’m wrong, that crimes perpetrated against minorities get a lot more press. I think that’s a valid point. Every life matters, and that includes the many black on black crimes that occur weekly in cities like Baltimore, Chicago, Oakland, etc... But those crimes aren’t inflammatory and get minimal press. Every senseless death by violence should be of equal concern, regardless of the color of the perpetrator or the victim. But with groups like BLM, they aren’t. Some are more “important” than others.

It’s why I hate the term “hate crime”. If you commit a crime against someone, whether it’s because you don’t like their race, their sexual proclivities, or their religion, the penalty should be the same. You violated their rights and that should be all there is to it. Hate is too subjective to figure into the equation.

Sure in theory, every senseless death should be of equal concern.

But do you honestly believe that? Could you tell that to a black person with a straight face?
 
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This crime is not being prosecuted as a hate crime, and I didn't say that it should be.

Do you really think that some nazi spray painting swastikas on Jewish gravesites should be prosecuted as ordinary vandalism? Should the klan burning a cross in front a black family's home being considered ordinary vandalism or trespassing? Those are typical examples of hate crimes. And they have completely different implications than ordinary vandalism.

I'm fine with agreeing to disagree, but I don't think you're really considering the perspective of the victims in those sorts of cases.
Point taken.
 
Weird place to take that.

Are you saying that black people do this? Did George Floyd do this? Wondering why you brought that up.

i'm saying that evil exists in every facet of human life and always has. this isnt some special kind of never-before-heard-of evil.
 
yeah it's funny that those Democrats dont care about social distancing now ... hypocrisy at its finest.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/george-floyd-unrest-big-city-mayors-coronavirus-lockdowns

That isn't what you should take from this. I detest the looting and the violence. But this is a wake up call that this country is in clear need of reform of multiple areas in society. People have legitimate reason to protest right now, keeping in mind I mean 'protest' not loot and steal or burn cop cars.
 
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Lots of talk about rioting, not a lot of talk about police shooting innocent people (who weren’t looting) with rubber bullets or tear gassing them. The videos coming out are just making people trust the police even less.

We’re seeing that a lot of cops don’t like having their authority questioned. And even more of them are all too willing to turn a blind to the misconduct of their peers.
 
This crime is not being prosecuted as a hate crime, and I didn't say that it should be.

Do you really think that some nazi spray painting swastikas on Jewish gravesites should be prosecuted as ordinary vandalism? Should the klan burning a cross in front a black family's home being considered ordinary vandalism or trespassing? Those are typical examples of hate crimes. And they have completely different implications than ordinary vandalism.

I'm fine with agreeing to disagree, but I don't think you're really considering the perspective of the victims in those sorts of cases.
this is the kind of non-thinking that makes me just SMH. It is borne of some nonsensical need to justify the nonsensical.

To begin with, if I burn a cross in a black person's front yard, that isn't vandalism unless they happened to have a cross in their front yard. If I paint 'Leroy Was Here' on the side of someone's house, that is vandalism. The burning cross is very possibly terrorism, because instilling fear is the assumed purpose (or at least it can be considered to be the assumed purpose, given the history of cross burning). Or it could be a prank. In school, I burned a cross on the door of the black militant type who lived across from me. I squirted lighter fluid on the door in the shape of a cross and then lit it, and then knocked on his door and retreated into my room. The guy was very big and was solid muscle and could have popped my head between his hands. But I immediately told him it was me and he just said 'yeah I figured', because he knew I would do something like that just for shits and giggles. Then we drank some beer and talked about life. It didn't bother him because he knew that I actually liked and respected him. But there are those knuckleheaded do-righters who would have been hysterically screeching 'hate crime'.

Spray painting swastikas on Jewish headstones could easily be the work of teenage pranksters who have no real clue as to the darkness that a swastika might convey to Jews. And no reasonable Jew would go hide in the attic because someone vandalized a headstone with a swastika; but hysterical hate-crime eradicators are biting their nails just reading this.. And yes, when you deface or destroy something, that's all it is, vandalism. Hate or racism need not be the motive, although it might be involved. There is the act of vandalism, and there is whatever motive there might be in perpetrating the act. The motive does not make the vandalism something other than vandalism. If I kill someone, the stupidity of making it somehow a worse crime because it was done out of hate, is nothing short of mind bogglingly idiotic. The victim is DEAD. What possible difference could it make to a dead guy what the motive was in killing him? Punish the perp because he took a person's life, not because maybe he didn't like him. Jeezus, it's amazing our race has survived this long with the kind of stupidity we are capable of.
 
Lots of talk about rioting, not a lot of talk about police shooting innocent people (who weren’t looting) with rubber bullets or tear gassing them. The videos coming out are just making people trust the police even less.

We’re seeing that a lot of cops don’t like having their authority questioned. And even more of them are all too willing to turn a blind to the misconduct of their peers.

It's a ****ed up situation all around.
 
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That isn't what you should take from this. I detest the looting and the violence. But this is a wake up call that this country is in clear need of reform of multiple areas in society. People have legitimate reason to protest right now, keeping in mind I mean 'protest' not loot and steal or burn cop cars.
I find it odd that these ‘protests‘ are taking place at night and not during the day.
 
I find it odd that these ‘protests‘ are taking place at night and not during the day.

They take place during the day. It's the anarchists and rioters that come out at night usually. Take Boston for example. Pretty peaceful for the most part, now it's a war zone since the sun set.
 
They take place during the day. It's the anarchists and rioters that come out at night usually. Take Boston for example. Pretty peaceful for the most part, now it's a war zone since the sun set.
But every news anchor calls the nighttime shenanigans ‘protests’.
 
I burned a cross on the door of the black militant type who lived across from me. I squirted lighter fluid on the door in the shape of a cross and then lit it, and then knocked on his door and retreated into my room. The guy was very big and was solid muscle and could have popped my head between his hands. But I immediately told him it was me and he just said 'yeah I figured', because he knew I would do something like that just for shits and giggles. Then we drank some beer and talked about life. It didn't bother him because he knew that I actually liked and respected him. But there are those knuckleheaded do-righters who would have been hysterically screeching 'hate crime'.
I don’t believe a word of this. People like you are truly a special breed.
 
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I don’t believe a word of this. People like you are truly a special breed.

I have no doubt you find that hard to believe. People my age weren't corralled into such a highly restricted mode of behavior and speech where words are actual weapons capable of crippling, and actions have to be approved by the PC police...which sheeplings like you are only too eager to join.

Nothing I've posted here or anywhere else on this board is untrue, believe or don't...matters not to me. But this is the problem. So many people have no real idea what freedom actually means because they are constantly hammered with the idea that the only important thing is to not hurt someone's feelings. I was taught, and mostly self-taught, to understand that words only communicate what one allows them to communicate. I was taught that one should say what is on his mind and everyone else could simply take it for what it was worth. I was taught that actions are wrong only when they imposed on another person's rights. It's depressing to see so many willingly submit to the mind control imposed by the masses of controlled minds.. And it's downright scary to think about the kind of society that this will culminate in.
 
You know im not sure what any of us should do here.

I haven't seen anyone that has has backed this cop up in saying his actions were correct in any way, even if he didn't cause the guy to die from lack of oxygen if he caused the guy to have a heart attack because of what he was doing to him he is still 100% responsible.

But my question is how do we fix it? What does the African American community need to have happen to bring this to an end? This guy had been charged and will face trial regardless of how much evidence there is he is entitled to a fair trial, none of us can argue with that I hope.

But how do you fix a problem that is individual based? Most police officers are good hard working men that take their oath serious and hold on to that oath. There are ALL WAYS going to be bad apples in every walk of life. You can't control a man or a group of mens actions like robots they are humans.

What will bring closer to this? This will happen again I can promise you this but this isn't just something that happens to only black people this happens to every race when it comes to bad apples breaking there oath when it comes to police interaction with citizens.

Someone has to step up and tell them what they want and I don't mean "we want to be treated the same" that doesn't cut it because in the color blind eyes of the written laws we are all equal.

You have to change peoples hearts and that is nearly impossible. The media shows 10 to 1 the people destroying stuff and hardly ever the people that are wanting this to be handled with peace.

You can't fight racism with racism, lots of these black people do the same thing to white people that they say are done to them. I'm not racist but get lumped unto the same group with the white supremacists because I don't fall on the Democrat side of the political spectrum. Two wrongs don't make a right and it doesn't fix anything.

Most of these killing happen in democrat districts
These are democrats that hire these cops that kill people but yet they blame Republicans for race relations. They voted the democrats in these spots! So tell me what us as American can do?


What can be done to fix it?
 
I have a bad feeling about all of this. Riots and protests are going to be the norm for a while... all over the country, it seems.
Yep.
Antifa at the center of it here in Mpls. Home grown antifas, though. Weird how all the largest cities had coordinated schedules, clothing, materials, signs, tactics - all at the same time. I believe there is evidence that antifa have been planning this for years, just waiting for the right (horrible, evil) event to trigger it. Funded by Soros, it seems.

Two of the most depressing, horrible outcomes of the antifa hijacking of the righteous, moving, meaningful peaceful protests and movements honoring George Floyd (I had some friends here who attended these and said they were life-changing):

1) how the rioting, looting, arsonist goons hijacked (trampled all over) the peaceful protests, in terms of the peaceful protests getting no media play, or being lazily grouped in with the selfish dangerous thugs rioting (BTW mostly 20-30 yo white priveledged kids in the antifa movment)

2) long after the riots have moved on, simmered down, what will remain in these very poor, mostly minority communities that were ransacked, looted, started on fire? Over 200 businesses severely damaged or entirely destroyed, including the ONLY food and medicine sources for a lot of immobile minorities. To hear this one african-American older lady, as she wept and saw this army of criminals destroy her entire livelihood world, was heartbreaking and infuriating. But the media and pols will be nowhere to be found to report on it, in two weeks when these lives (that don't really matter to media and pols) are in severe crisis.
 
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