lol....not my words or MY claim....spoken by the coach who def is in concert with the medical staff
Harry Giles with another knee surgery
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lol....not my words or MY claim....spoken by the coach who def is in concert with the medical staff
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K does not care about Giles well-being. If he did care, he would tell Giles to redshirt and take another year to rehab. The only thing K is thinking about is getting Giles on the floor this season so that Giles does not disrupt his 2017 recruiting class. If Giles redshirts, Carter does not sign with Duke for 2017. Duke can win the title without Giles. It's very plain and simple. K, is a selfish rat, and this may be a gross understatement.
So assuming Giles played for UNC right now.......and he recovers, is cleared to play by UNC doctors, and he and his parents want him to play. Roy would say no and force Giles to take the redshirt?
I believe some on here are seriously looking through their UNC tinted glasses.....
Also, there is no "redshirt" at play here. Giles is gone whether he plays a game at Duke or not.
I don't care for K myself. The Dillon Brooks outburst speaks volumes to me. But, this post is littered with ungrounded assumptions. You're calling K a selfish rat based on assumptions/predictions that have never happened? Giles and his family and the team doctors have a bigger say in him actually playing than K. And per chance he doesn't play in 2017, I'd say there is a 0% chance that he comes back to Duke. His stock would inevitably drop if he didn't play. But he would still be drafted. And he would still leave after one year.
OK...
First, I think Roy would do exactly what I suggested K did, leave it to the team doctors and the kid & his family.
Well of freakin course we are looking thru tinted glasses but don't say that as if dukies are not!
Finally, so there is no "red shirt" option for the kid? Now that is a very strange thing to say because unless K has told the kid you will not be allowed to play for us season after next then a red shirt should be in play and available to the kid if he elects to take it. Now it may be the kid's total decision that under no circumstances will he be in the college game past this coming season but things change and situations change.
I don't care whose words or claims they are; they still are ridiculous. I've had both my knees "scoped" and 1 invasive surgery to one of them.(3 surgeries also, but over a 25 year span) Scoping IS surgery as the circular scars on my knees will attest. All of them had an effect and now that I'm 52, both knees are arthritic so the effect has been life changing. One of the changes was I had to give up bball after the last one! (granted I was in my 40's lol)
It really DOES NOT MATTER whether this last procedure was simple or complex; what matters is it is the THIRD one! I hope the family doesn't even consider the school (even if it was Blue Heaven) at all in their consideration; they should simply focus on Giles' long-term health.
It really DOES NOT MATTER whether this last procedure was simple or complex; what matters is it is the THIRD one! I hope the family doesn't even consider the school (even if it was Blue Heaven) at all in their consideration; they should simply focus on Giles' long-term health.
If he really wanted to, yes, he could red-shirt.
But generally speaking, red-shirts are designated for players that intend to be in college for 5 years. Giles is not one of those guys.
But generally speaking, red-shirts are designated for players that intend to be in college for 5 years. Giles is not one of those guys.
Yes, of course it is "technically" an option, but nobody (including K) thinks Giles will be at Duke for more than a year, regardless of whether he plays or not. So Giles has NO impact on the 2017 class as suggested earlier.
K controls everything that goes on with Duke basketball. He also controls the Duke media. If K wants a player to redshirt, the player will either redshirt or forced off the team. The player does not have an option...period. K has a OAD plilosophy and if Giles sticks around for another year it spoils his 2017 plan. Does anyone really think that Carter would sign with Duke year with Bolden, Giles and Jeter on the team? If Giles has a setback early in the season and he still qualifies for a redshirt, Giles will not redshirt. Why? because the Leader of Men will make sure that does not happen.
You are right that some UNC fans will take that position, but not me. Never have.... never will.
You are right that some UNC fans will take that position, but not me. Never have.... never will.
You are on to something. Alex "Can't Miss" Murphy was recently granted a 6th year...LMFAO!
So K has that kind of control that he can force someone like Harry Giles to do something against his wishes and Giles has nothing he can do about it? Giles isn't indentured to K or Duke, if he wanted to red shirt he could, if he wanted to sit out this season and go straight to the draft he could, if he wanted to transfer to another school he could, and if he is cleared and wants to play this season he can. Your post is all opinion/hate with nothing to back it up and makes no sense.
Exactly.....but in fairness to @Steat I guess we all do that at times as fans. I try to be rationale and I can understand the logic of people saying "he shouldn't play." But most of those are obviously going to be people of opposing teams who don't want him to play. Not because they really care about Giles, they just don't want him to play because it would make Duke better.
But like I said, as fans, we all do this at times. We think our players would be "better served to stay another year instead of going to NBA" and we think our rivals' players would be "foolish not to go to the NBA." This is what makes the rivalry great.
I have no issue with anyone who thinks he shouldn't play because it's what's best for Giles.Exactly.....but in fairness to @Steat I guess we all do that at times as fans. I try to be rationale and I can understand the logic of people saying "he shouldn't play." But most of those are obviously going to be people of opposing teams who don't want him to play. Not because they really care about Giles, they just don't want him to play because it would make Duke better.
But like I said, as fans, we all do this at times. We think our players would be "better served to stay another year instead of going to NBA" and we think our rivals' players would be "foolish not to go to the NBA." This is what makes the rivalry great.
It's really a moot point because I don't think K will give Giles an option to redshirt if Giles hurts his knee again. The primary reason is a selfish one on the part of K. Bingo! It would spoil K's 2017 recruiting plan. I do feel sorry for the kid and wish him a full recovery.
Nor do I.......my point was that MOST (not saying all, or even Steat) but MOST opposing fans are not wanting Giles to sit because they are concerned for his well-being. They want him to sit, because with Giles Duke is a better team.
Even as a Duke fan, I would encourage you to reign the expectations in just a tad. I know he is projected lottery as of now, and looks to be a real player but I am always cautious to actually see them play in a collegiate game or two before making such declarations.
I remember last year around this time there was a thread debating whether Jeter would be OAD or not.
Just so I understand.
K is selfish for not having Giles redshirt because his well-being is at stake....
K is selfish because Amile Jefferson redshirted last year....
K is selfish for not having Giles redshirt because his well-being is at stake....
K is selfish because Amile Jefferson redshirted last year....
Oh good lord. Nobody projected Jeter 1 and done. Bolden is the #8 projected pick in draft express mock draft. He's 6'11" and athletic. He's gone.
None of the mock drafts did........you are correct. But over zealous Duke fans did. I hope you're right, I hope he is as good as advertised, but I am pessimistic by nature and choose to take a "wait and see" approach instead of putting my blind trust in a mock draft.
GoDukeDevil,
I tried to reply to your bullet points but screwed it up. Let me do it here.
If Carter was not signing with Duke you would not be saying Bolden was OAD. Carter is projected as a better player than Bolden.
If K "cared" about Giles well-being he WOULD redshirt him but he does not care about Giles. With 3 knee surgeries, Giles presents a problem for K. The Leader of Men position is that he would rather have a 50% Giles on the floor this year in lieu of a 100% Giles next season. Redshirting Giles creates a roster logjam next season. You can kiss Carter goodbye if Giles is redshirted and Bolden and Jeter return. With Duke's deep bench, K figures at this juncture Giles will basically be a role player this season and whatever he gives the team will be icing on the cake. That way Giles leaves Duke and it is clear sailing for Carter to commit. Carter is not going to sign with Duke if Giles, Bolden and Jeter are on the roster next year. Duke can win the national title without Giles. ESPN sure thinks so as they still ranked Duke as #1 despite Giles injury.
K knew they had no chance of winning the title so he convinced Amile to redshirt when he was healthy enough to play at the end of the season. If Duke had a better team, Amile would have played at the end of the season. K convinced Amile to redshirt because he knew Duke would have a better chance to win the title this year. Without Amile, Duke would not be ranked in the top 10 right now.
Would you rather have Giles in 2017 or Carter? I think most of your fans would rather have the bulldozer Carter with NO history of knee injuries.
I tried to reply to your bullet points but screwed it up. Let me do it here.
If Carter was not signing with Duke you would not be saying Bolden was OAD. Carter is projected as a better player than Bolden.
If K "cared" about Giles well-being he WOULD redshirt him but he does not care about Giles. With 3 knee surgeries, Giles presents a problem for K. The Leader of Men position is that he would rather have a 50% Giles on the floor this year in lieu of a 100% Giles next season. Redshirting Giles creates a roster logjam next season. You can kiss Carter goodbye if Giles is redshirted and Bolden and Jeter return. With Duke's deep bench, K figures at this juncture Giles will basically be a role player this season and whatever he gives the team will be icing on the cake. That way Giles leaves Duke and it is clear sailing for Carter to commit. Carter is not going to sign with Duke if Giles, Bolden and Jeter are on the roster next year. Duke can win the national title without Giles. ESPN sure thinks so as they still ranked Duke as #1 despite Giles injury.
K knew they had no chance of winning the title so he convinced Amile to redshirt when he was healthy enough to play at the end of the season. If Duke had a better team, Amile would have played at the end of the season. K convinced Amile to redshirt because he knew Duke would have a better chance to win the title this year. Without Amile, Duke would not be ranked in the top 10 right now.
Would you rather have Giles in 2017 or Carter? I think most of your fans would rather have the bulldozer Carter with NO history of knee injuries.
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Steat, do you actually believe this stuff or are you just stirring the pot?
Do you actually believe ANYONE thinks a red-shirt for Giles is appropriate here? He had a surgery with a projected recovery time of 6 weeks - not 6 months. Name another player in the country that if they had an injury right now that had a 6 week recovery time you would say "hey that guy should medical redshirt." And for bonus points, name one that should medical redshirt who is a projected lottery pick. Didn't Marcus Paige miss some time due to a broken hand as a soph - should he have medical redshirted? Does anyone think Giles will be at Duke for 5 years if he were to redshirt this year?
Do you also actually believe a team with Allen, Tatum, Jackson, Kennard, Jones, Bolden, and Jeter (lets even leave Giles out for the whole year along with Amile) would not be ranked in the top 10? Wasn't Duke in the top 5ish last year with a lesser team than the one I just listed?
Look, Giles may sit out the whole year and it may or may not be in his best interest. I tend to think he won't and that the choice is 100% his. But some of the claims on here are just
Do you actually believe ANYONE thinks a red-shirt for Giles is appropriate here? He had a surgery with a projected recovery time of 6 weeks - not 6 months. Name another player in the country that if they had an injury right now that had a 6 week recovery time you would say "hey that guy should medical redshirt." And for bonus points, name one that should medical redshirt who is a projected lottery pick. Didn't Marcus Paige miss some time due to a broken hand as a soph - should he have medical redshirted? Does anyone think Giles will be at Duke for 5 years if he were to redshirt this year?
Do you also actually believe a team with Allen, Tatum, Jackson, Kennard, Jones, Bolden, and Jeter (lets even leave Giles out for the whole year along with Amile) would not be ranked in the top 10? Wasn't Duke in the top 5ish last year with a lesser team than the one I just listed?
Look, Giles may sit out the whole year and it may or may not be in his best interest. I tend to think he won't and that the choice is 100% his. But some of the claims on here are just
Steat, do you actually believe this stuff or are you just stirring the pot?
Do you actually believe ANYONE thinks a red-shirt for Giles is appropriate here? He had a surgery with a projected recovery time of 6 weeks - not 6 months. Name another player in the country that if they had an injury right now that had a 6 week recovery time you would say "hey that guy should medical redshirt." And for bonus points, name one that should medical redshirt who is a projected lottery pick. Didn't Marcus Paige miss some time due to a broken hand as a soph - should he have medical redshirted? Does anyone think Giles will be at Duke for 5 years if he were to redshirt this year?
Do you also actually believe a team with Allen, Tatum, Jackson, Kennard, Jones, Bolden, and Jeter (lets even leave Giles out for the whole year along with Amile) would not be ranked in the top 10? Wasn't Duke in the top 5ish last year with a lesser team than the one I just listed?
Look, Giles may sit out the whole year and it may or may not be in his best interest. I tend to think he won't and that the choice is 100% his. But some of the claims on here are just
I hope Giles recovers in 6 weeks and never has another setback. But if he does have a setback and still qualifies for a redshirt, K will not allow a redshirt because it will screw up his 2017 class. Kyrie Irving and Amile are classic examples of K's selfishness. They were out for similar periods. Kyrie came back because K had a good chance of winning the title that year. Kyrie came back and disrupted the team's chemistry and Duke was slaughtered by Arizona (Arizona Massacre) in the NCAA tournament. But in K's mind Kyrie was the missing piece that season. Amile redshirted because K knew he had no chance of a title last year. Thus, saving him for next season. K is selfish rat that only cares about himself.
lol, ok. So Steat on the UNC message boards not only knows more about the health of Giles knees than Duke doctors, K and Giles himself, Steat also cares about Giles more than K.
I see $$$ figures....that's my mentality. I wish I was Giles agent and getting 10% of his rookie NBA contract. After 3 knee surgeries, no way he would ever suit up and play a game for Duke. That may still happen according to the grapevine......... Giles can't get insurance among other issues.
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You Duke boys sure do set yourselves up for easy marks.
Y'all DO realize this is a TAR HEEL MESSAGE BOARD right?
Y'all DO realize this is a TAR HEEL MESSAGE BOARD right?
For the love of all that is holy and pure, please, please tell me you're not comparing Alex Murphy to Harry Giles in any way. After Murphy re-classified, he wasn't ranked in the top 30 by an major recruiting service. You don't red-shirt guys like Giles, plain and simple. Could he stay two years? Sure, I suppose. But five years is just about as likely as Stilman White making an NBA All-Star Team.
K is a lot of things. I think he can be an asshole, is self-serving as hell, teaches his players to flop and play like pansies, lets his players do dirty **** at times and doesn't discourage it, is a sore loser, and find the way Duke fans worship him nauseating. However, saying he doesn't care about Giles is pretty ridiculous. If for no other reason than not caring about him would kill him with future recruits. To say he is selfish and only wants Giles to play for his own sake doesn't jive with being selfish, since pushing Giles to play when he doesn't want to or doesn't need to could absolutely kill him. Regardless, all coaches care about their players. The argument for K not caring has never been about his good players anyway but his guys down on the bench that aren't as good as he needs them to be. Giles isn't one of those guys.
I fall into this crowd. I don't want Giles to play because I dislike Duke due to K's scrunched up rat face, Allen's tripping habit, the doochie flops, and their dork fans. But I'll fully admit it's in Giles best interest to play this season if he is at all able to, and that Duke will almost certainly be a better team with him on the floor.
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Yeah, I just don't see any way it is in his best interest to sit. As I've said, I want him to play and I want him to struggle. When he goes pro I don't care how well he does but while at Duke I don't want him to do well. Nothing personal but just the way it is. I want him to get the chance to struggle though, not have an injury keep him out.
Is the "most" opposing fans wanting Giles to sit statement reflective of your duke fans base? Because that is not what you have seen from this fan base, what you have seen from us is that we hate the kid got hurt and wish him well. Your "assume" does not seem to agree with what has been expressed by tar Heels in this thread, it that how your dukies see things, do your dukies cheer for a kid to be injured so their opponents can be weaker?
I hate having the excuses in place for losses, dukies tried to explain away last season as only happening because of jefferson's injury, excuse is all that was. As much as your dukies like to spin what I say, you don't see me jump on the refs after a loss, I don't like using excuses for losses. But it must be a foreign concept to dukies to not use excuses to try to explain losses, it is AMAZING...
I would rather we beat duke with Giles than without him!
I hate dook, and especially K, as much as anyone, but that was smart, not selfish.
Whoops, just an FYI but it looks like you accidentally poasted your personal email to Harry Giles in a forum that he'll never read.
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