Harry Giles with another knee surgery

[Steat]

lol, ok. So Steat on the UNC message boards not only knows more about the health of Giles knees than Duke doctors, K and Giles himself, Steat also cares about Giles more than K.

Don't blame other UNC posters for my position. In fact, many UNC posters disagree with my position and have stated so. Bottomline, I think Giles camp will wise up ( if not already) look at this from a long term standpoint. If Giles can get a good rookie contract (lotto pick) and invest the money wisely, he could be set for life. By putting 5 million in a lifetime income annuity with a guaranteed 7% annual credit until age 30 would generate significant monthly income for "LIFE" beginning by age 30. If Giles blows out his knee playing for Duke this season, he may never play an NBA game. My insurance network tells me that Giles is a having a major problem securing insurance coverage. It would be wise to forget about winning the immediate battle and look to win the war. K only thinks about himself and he will go down in history as the most selfish college basketball coach ever. Not under the same circumstances as Joe Paterno's shame, but there will be a former Duke player that will write a book exposing K of his bad deeds and tactics and the book will be a best seller. I wish the kid a full recovery and the chances of that happening is much better by sitting out this year. Rushing back to play in 6 weeks is a bad decision.

 

[DSouthr]

Just so I understand.

K is selfish for not having Giles redshirt because his well-being is at stake....



K is selfish because Amile Jefferson redshirted last year....

To explain steat just a bit, have to understand that he is both a Tar Heel fan as well as a financial manager and his positions are fitlered thru both lens. Now if you take away the fandom aspect and just look at things as thru the lens of solid financial advice you quickly realize the smart path is minimizing required risk, elimination of unneeded risk, and maximization of reward return.

Now Giles, play this season or not will be drafted in the lotto, if he plays he could be drafted #1 over all but that risks re-injury. Re-injury depending on severity could bring in question his career, could well drop him out of the lotto and could drop him even further. The low risk path is not to play, it would cost him being the #1 drafted to where ever in the lotto he is drafted, but either way he is a millionaire and the rookie salary cap clock begins to tick. Now what ever he does is what he does but steat is looking at the elimination of risk of re-injury by not playing and still becoming a millionaire.

Now as a fan steat would prefer Giles not play, as fans duke fans very much want him to play, neither are considerations of the kid himself but more they are fans wanting on the one case for their rival to be weaker and on the other they be able to beat their rivals harder with a great talented player considered to be the best player in his class. Neither case care about the kid but fans care more about results and wins than the kids involved in the games.

Now dukies can label steat as taking his positions not because he really cares about Giles but because he is a Tar Heel that does not want him to play, which is exactly how duke fans see steat's words. And ya know what, steat IMO is guilty of that, to some extent at least. But dukies, don't go act like you care so much for this kid, call it what it is, you want him to play ONLY because you believe it makes your team harder to beat. If Giles were a kid slotted to come off your bench, you would not care if this kid played or not and we wouldn't have a 4 page thread discussing it.

 

[topps coach]

To explain steat just a bit, have to understand that he is both a Tar Heel fan as well as a financial manager and his positions are fitlered thru both lens. Now if you take away the fandom aspect and just look at things as thru the lens of solid financial advice you quickly realize the smart path is minimizing required risk, elimination of unneeded risk, and maximization of reward return.

Now Giles, play this season or not will be drafted in the lotto, if he plays he could be drafted #1 over all but that risks re-injury. Re-injury depending on severity could bring in question his career, could well drop him out of the lotto and could drop him even further. The low risk path is not to play, it would cost him being the #1 drafted to where ever in the lotto he is drafted, but either way he is a millionaire and the rookie salary cap clock begins to tick. Now what ever he does is what he does but steat is looking at the elimination of risk of re-injury by not playing and still becoming a millionaire.

Now as a fan steat would prefer Giles not play, as fans duke fans very much want him to play, neither are considerations of the kid himself but more they are fans wanting on the one case for their rival to be weaker and on the other they be able to beat their rivals harder with a great talented player considered to be the best player in his class. Neither case care about the kid but fans care more about results and wins than the kids involved in the games.

Now dukies can label steat as taking his positions not because he really cares about Giles but because he is a Tar Heel that does not want him to play, which is exactly how duke fans see steat's words. And ya know what, steat IMO is guilty of that, to some extent at least. But dukies, don't go act like you care so much for this kid, call it what it is, you want him to play ONLY because you believe it makes your team harder to beat. If Giles were a kid slotted to come off your bench, you would not care if this kid played or not and we wouldn't have a 4 page thread discussing it.

David if he does not play this year he will not be in the first round.This is from someone who knows and I am not talking about myself

 

[Steat]

David if he does not play this year he will not be in the first round.This is from someone who knows and I am not talking about myself

If he plays this year and blows out his knee again, he may not get drafted at all. I got this information "directly" from an NBA General Manager that I know. He did say that this is his opinion only. He also said a contending team could select him in the second round and let him rehab even more without expecting him to play next year.

 

[HeelFan58]

Don't blame other UNC posters for my position. In fact, many UNC posters disagree with my position and have stated so. Bottomline, I think Giles camp will wise up ( if not already) look at this from a long term standpoint. If Giles can get a good rookie contract (lotto pick) and invest the money wisely, he could be set for life. By putting 5 million in a lifetime income annuity with a guaranteed 7% annual credit until age 30 would generate significant monthly income for "LIFE" beginning by age 30. If Giles blows out his knee playing for Duke this season, he may never play an NBA game. My insurance network tells me that Giles is a having a major problem securing insurance coverage. It would be wise to forget about winning the immediate battle and look to win the war. K only thinks about himself and he will go down in history as the most selfish college basketball coach ever. Not under the same circumstances as Joe Paterno's shame, but there will be a former Duke player that will write a book exposing K of his bad deeds and tactics and the book will be a best seller. I wish the kid a full recovery and the chances of that happening is much better by sitting out this year. Rushing back to play in 6 weeks is a bad decision.

Let me know when you find a guaranteed 7% annuity that isn't based on an income rider that has stipulations on when you can turn it on.

 

[Steat]

Let me know when you find a guaranteed 7% annuity that isn't based on an income rider that has stipulations on when you can turn it on.

I said "guaranteed annual credit"... Do you know the difference between "annual credit" and "annual payment"? If interested, I will be happy to show you one...email me at openingdaygame@gmail.com LOL

 

[DSouthr]

David if he does not play this year he will not be in the first round.This is from someone who knows and I am not talking about myself

Ken, want to make sure I understand exactly what ya sayin, you are saying the considered #1 player in his class as well as the considered #1 over all pick in the next draft will not be drafted in the first round UNLESS he plays a season for K?

Now we have had several dukies on this thread share with us how minor this scoping is and yet now we are told he will not be drafted unless he shows he can come back and play for duke this season? That does not sound minor to me...

Or do you suggest that Giles would not have been drafted any where in the first round if he elected to sit out and not commit to any school? I would find that odd at best, if he were to spend this entire year rehabing and strength & conditioning and be ready and willing to share all his medical records as well as have any team that wants to have him completely checked out by a teams medical staff, you telling me that there is not a NBA team that would draft hm first round? That is kinda hard to believe on the surface of it?

 

[topps coach]

Ken, want to make sure I understand exactly what ya sayin, you are saying the considered #1 player in his class as well as the considered #1 over all pick in the next draft will not be drafted in the first round UNLESS he plays a season for K?

Now we have had several dukies on this thread share with us how minor this scoping is and yet now we are told he will not be drafted unless he shows he can come back and play for duke this season? That does not sound minor to me...

Or do you suggest that Giles would not have been drafted any where in the first round if he elected to sit out and not commit to any school? I would find that odd at best, if he were to spend this entire year rehabing and strength & conditioning and be ready and willing to share all his medical records as well as have any team that wants to have him completely checked out by a teams medical staff, you telling me that there is not a NBA team that would draft hm first round? That is kinda hard to believe on the surface of it?

You know who my source is .and what his credentials are.I spoke to him last week.His info is that unless he plays this year he will at best be a second round with limited or no guaranteed money.This coincides with the info given to him by the Duke staff from their Nba sources.The Giles family is going to rely on world class medical opinion provided by the Duke doctors as to the likelihood of further damage to his knees.

 

[HeLooks2MuchLikeDave]

You know who my source is .and what his credentials are.I spoke to him last week.His info is that unless he plays this year he will at best be a second round with limited or no guaranteed money.This coincides with the info given to him by the Duke staff from their Nba sources.The Giles family is going to rely on world class medical opinion provided by the Duke doctors as to the likelihood of further damage to his knees.

@gary-7?

 

[gary-7]

@gary-7?

Dunno why you're asking me (?). I have no info nor real concern on what Harry Giles intends to do. All I can throw in is an opinion that I doubt he'll be optimallly effective if and when he does play this season. So if he's still OAD, this season would be like a major league baseball player taking a rehab assignment in the minors, with the NBA in sight. Now who knows?... maybe he'll be back at a strong level by March... or maybe not.

 

[DSouthr]

You know who my source is .and what his credentials are.I spoke to him last week.His info is that unless he plays this year he will at best be a second round with limited or no guaranteed money.This coincides with the info given to him by the Duke staff from their Nba sources.The Giles family is going to rely on world class medical opinion provided by the Duke doctors as to the likelihood of further damage to his knees.

You talking ram?

Ken, reality now, hard for me to believe that the kid goes from being #1 over all pick to maybe second round because he has this "MINOR" scope out? And now all the sudden the kid has to play for duke this season or NBA GMs will not draft him in round 1? Either your intel is off or those dukies telling us how "minor" that scope out was were not accurate?

Nerlins Noel was drafted while still recovering from a serious season ending knee injury, he was drafted 6th by New Orleans. Now Giles second knee injury was said, BY YOU TOPPY, as not being nearly as serious as his first one. The scope job is on the knee he originally injured. So how is it that New Orleans can draft Noel with the 6 pick in his draft BEFORE he has recovered from his knee injury and yet Giles fate is second round unless he plays for duke this season?

 

[topps coach]

You talking ram?

Ken, reality now, hard for me to believe that the kid goes from being #1 over all pick to maybe second round because he has this "MINOR" scope out? And now all the sudden the kid has to play for duke this season or NBA GMs will not draft him in round 1? Either your intel is off or those dukies telling us how "minor" that scope out was were not accurate?

Nerlins Noel was drafted while still recovering from a serious season ending knee injury, he was drafted 6th by New Orleans. Now Giles second knee injury was said, BY YOU TOPPY, as not being nearly as serious as his first one. The scope job is on the knee he originally injured. So how is it that New Orleans can draft Noel with the 6 pick in his draft BEFORE he has recovered from his knee injury and yet Giles fate is second round unless he plays for duke this season?

Not ram

 

[RyanJamesIII]

if Giles sits this year out he's still a top 10 pick.

 

[TRU CANE]

Whoops, just an FYI but it looks like you accidentally poasted your personal email to Harry Giles in a forum that he'll never read.

Don't blame other UNC posters for my position. In fact, many UNC posters disagree with my position and have stated so. Bottomline, I think Giles camp will wise up ( if not already) look at this from a long term standpoint. If Giles can get a good rookie contract (lotto pick) and invest the money wisely, he could be set for life. By putting 5 million in a lifetime income annuity with a guaranteed 7% annual credit until age 30 would generate significant monthly income for "LIFE" beginning by age 30. If Giles blows out his knee playing for Duke this season, he may never play an NBA game. My insurance network tells me that Giles is a having a major problem securing insurance coverage. It would be wise to forget about winning the immediate battle and look to win the war. K only thinks about himself and he will go down in history as the most selfish college basketball coach ever. Not under the same circumstances as Joe Paterno's shame, but there will be a former Duke player that will write a book exposing K of his bad deeds and tactics and the book will be a best seller. I wish the kid a full recovery and the chances of that happening is much better by sitting out this year. Rushing back to play in 6 weeks is a bad decision.

Since you can tell the future, I would like to give it a try.

Following in Kyrie Irving's footsteps, K will make sure Giles takes his time and if it is decided by Giles' family, and Duke's awesome medical staff that he can play then he will play. Giles will do well but not great (I'm realistic) but he will show the POTENTIAL he has to scouts and he will PROVE that he is fine. Duke will compete for the national championship without Giles' predicted production. When it's all said and done K will CONTINUE to be loved by his fans, the media, his players past and present and of course he will continue to be hated by you and many other UNC fans (not all UNC fans). You will continue to call him selfish and claim he jeapordized Giles' career by allowing the young man to play if real professionals say it's ok. After it's all said and done there will be no smoking gun book exposing some wicked hidden truth about K. He will continue to do commercials and be an ambassador of the game and for Duke University.

 

[Steat]

Since you can tell the future, I would like to give it a try.

Following in Kyrie Irving's footsteps, K will make sure Giles takes his time and if it is decided by Giles' family, and Duke's awesome medical staff that he can play then he will play. Giles will do well but not great (I'm realistic) but he will show the POTENTIAL he has to scouts and he will PROVE that he is fine. Duke will compete for the national championship without Giles' predicted production. When it's all said and done K will CONTINUE to be loved by his fans, the media, his players past and present and of course he will continue to be hated by you and many other UNC fans (not all UNC fans). You will continue to call him selfish and claim he jeapordized Giles' career by allowing the young man to play if real professionals say it's ok. After it's all said and done there will be no smoking gun book exposing some wicked hidden truth about K. He will continue to do commercials and be an ambassador of the game and for Duke University.

Interesting....Now, according to Duke "insider" poster above (Topps) K has already surveyed NBA GM's and has been told that if Giles does not play this year he will not be drafted in the first round. No doubt that K has relayed this information to the Giles family. Sounds to me that K is putting the kid in a difficult situation.

You make some good points and you seem very reasonable. The most important point (if it is true!) is that your statement "K will make sure Giles takes his time and if it is decided by Giles' family". The Duke fan base is expecting him back in 6 weeks to be ready for the first game. This is not only unrealistic, it's stupid and selfish on the part of Duke fans. Let's say Duke's awesome medical staff says Giles will not be ready to play until late February, which was similar to what Duke's awesome medical staff told Amile Jefferson and his family last year. Now, what does K recommend? I'll hang up and listen.

 

[Steat]

if Giles sits this year out he's still a top 10 pick.

I agree. Refer to my post above. That's another reason why he should not play this season. If he plays and blows out a knee he may never play in an NBA game. Why take the risk after 3 knee surgeries? If he sits out and waits for the draft and invest his rookie money wisely he could be set for life. Any financial advisor with any ethics morality would recommend this. Regretfully, The Leader of Men would not give him the option that he gave Amile Jefferson to redshirt because it would screw up his 2017 recruiting class. Personally, if I was Giles advisor I would advise him not to play in any college game. My problem is will K only thinking about himself. If K didn't have Carter and most likely Bamba locked up for 2017, he would probably could convince Giles to come back for a redshirt year using some off the wall logic. Grayson Allen was a first round pick and K convinced him to come back. Allen didn't even participate in the NBA combine. K convinced him not to. K is selfish Rat.

 

[RyanJamesIII]

It could be that Giles actually wants to play and not K is forcing him to play.

 

[TRU CANE]

Me personally I'm not expecting him back and playing in 6 weeks. I'm expecting him to MAYBE be able to resume basketball activity in 6 weeks. That means running, some shooting and dribbling drills. MAYBE some slight cutting. Regardless, NONE of this is possible without the ok from Duke medical staff. That comes before everything including K. I expect this situation to be handled exactly how Irving's situation was handled. No more no less and I have no reason to expect otherwise. You think this is the first time reports have come out that a player is expected back by a certain time only for it to be something different? I assure you K has dealt with changing timetables before. If the kid is not ready then the kid won't be playing.

 

[Steat]

It could be that Giles actually wants to play and not K is forcing him to play.

Oh, let me go through this with you on the discussion with Giles family and K.

" K, my son really wants to play this year. If he does not play and continue to rehab with Duke's awesome medical staff until the NBA draft he is projected to still go lottery, just not in the first 7-8 picks. If he invests his rookie money wisely, he could be set for life financially even if he does suffer an injury that ruins his NBA career. But , he really wants to play for you because you are a great coach. What would you recommend coach?"

What is K's response? I'll hang up and listen?

 

[tw3301]

Me personally I'm not expecting him back and playing in 6 weeks. I'm expecting him to MAYBE be able to resume basketball activity in 6 weeks. That means running, some shooting and dribbling drills. MAYBE some slight cutting. Regardless, NONE of this is possible without the ok from Duke medical staff. That comes before everything including K. I expect this situation to be handled exactly how Irving's situation was handled. No more no less and I have no reason to expect otherwise. You think this is the first time reports have come out that a player is expected back by a certain time only for it to be something different? I assure you K has dealt with changing timetables before. If the kid is not ready then the kid won't be playing.

No one with any sense is expecting Giles to play game 1.

 

[Steat]

Me personally I'm not expecting him back and playing in 6 weeks. I'm expecting him to MAYBE be able to resume basketball activity in 6 weeks. That means running, some shooting and dribbling drills. MAYBE some slight cutting. Regardless, NONE of this is possible without the ok from Duke medical staff. That comes before everything including K. I expect this situation to be handled exactly how Irving's situation was handled. No more no less and I have no reason to expect otherwise. You think this is the first time reports have come out that a player is expected back by a certain time only for it to be something different? I assure you K has dealt with changing timetables before. If the kid is not ready then the kid won't be playing.

Giles should not play a game for Duke this season even if Duke's awesome medical staff gives him the clearance. With 3 surgeries Giles should sit on the end of the bench and cheer Duke on to a national championship. He will still get his ring.

 

[RyanJamesIII]

Oh, let me go through this with you on the discussion with Giles family and K.

" K, my son really wants to play this year. If he does not play and continue to rehab with Duke's awesome medical staff until the NBA draft he is projected to still go lottery, just not in the first 7-8 picks. If he invests his rookie money wisely, he could be set for life financially even if he does suffer an injury that ruins his NBA career. But , he really wants to play for you because you are a great coach. What would you recommend coach?"

What is K's response? I'll hang up and listen?

"If Harry wants to play, feels healthy enough AND he's been cleared by the medical staff we would love to have him out there and his teammates would love to have him out there. The plan would be to bring him along slowly in practice and in games until he gains his confidence back. My hope would be to have him at or near full strength by February."

 

[Steat]

No one with any sense is expecting Giles to play game 1.

No one with any sense who is looking for the kid to get a decent rookie contract would want the kid to risk an NBA career by risking another injury with 3 knee surgeries. I wish the kid a full recovery, but he plays an suffers another injury it's going to be bad news in bedrock.

 

[RyanJamesIII]

Should Dennis Smith sit out this year too? He's coming off an ACL tear. He and Fultz are in the convo to be #1.

 

[Steat]

"If Harry wants to play, feels healthy enough AND he's been cleared by the medical staff we would love to have him out there and his teammates would love to have him out there. The plan would be to bring him along slowly in practice and in games until he gains his confidence back. My hope would be to have him at or near full strength by February."

Yep, I expected response like that. K gets Giles limited minutes and pushes him out so that he does not upset his 2017 recruiting class.

I'm serious about this. I tell you this. If Giles plays and blows out a knee, will you personnaly set up a "Go Fund Me" page for him. Then I would expect each one of your fans (up to 1,000 fans) to contribute $1,000 each. Can I get a commitment from 1,000 Duke fans? I will commit to $1,000? Do we have a deal?

 

[Steat]

Should Dennis Smith sit out this year too? He's coming off an ACL tear. He and Fultz are in the convo to be #1.

Dennis had 1 knee surgery and Giles has 3 knee surgeries. Give me a better example.

 

[Steat]

Thanks for participating in my on-line chat. Must go but I will return later.

 

[trestyles]

Should Dennis Smith sit out this year too? He's coming off an ACL tear. He and Fultz are in the convo to be #1.

Dennis Smith will have had 14 months of rehab by the time his season start.

 

[RyanJamesIII]

true, but he won't be a top pick if he hurts that knee again.

 

[trestyles]

If I was Giles I would sit out. Not because of re-injury but I would want to save my knees for my rookie NBA 82 game season. However, I could understand someone WHO may really LOVE the game and don't want to sit.

 

[RyanJamesIII]

Yep, I expected response like that. K gets Giles limited minutes and pushes him out so that he does not upset his 2017 recruiting class.

I'm serious about this. I tell you this. If Giles plays and blows out a knee, will you personnaly set up a "Go Fund Me" page for him. Then I would expect each one of your fans (up to 1,000 fans) to contribute $1,000 each. Can I get a commitment from 1,000 Duke fans? I will commit to $1,000? Do we have a deal?

No i won't give him $1,000 if he hurts his knee. Why would I? If a UNC player blows out his knee will you give them $1,000?

 

[TRU CANE]

Giles should not play a game for Duke this season even if Duke's awesome medical staff gives him the clearance. With 3 surgeries Giles should sit on the end of the bench and cheer Duke on to a national championship. He will still get his ring.

And that's fine, that is YOUR opinion. One I'm sure some others share and it's not an outlandish one IMO. However, there are plenty who do not share the aforementioned opinion. There are some who believe that if the kid is cleared by DOCTORS to play and the kid, family and coaches feel he can play and as a result, he does indeed play, it's not an indication of K's selfishness. As if to say any decent, kind and considerate coach would look at it the way YOU look at it or else their just selfish and not looking out for the kid. To me that's a false and disingenuous narrative. I'm assuming you believe that if it was Roy or Dean they would not allow the kid to play no matter what doctors, family or the kid says?

 

[Archer2]

Since you can tell the future, I would like to give it a try.

Following in Kyrie Irving's footsteps, K will make sure Giles takes his time and if it is decided by Giles' family, and Duke's awesome medical staff that he can play then he will play. Giles will do well but not great (I'm realistic) but he will show the POTENTIAL he has to scouts and he will PROVE that he is fine. Duke will compete for the national championship without Giles' predicted production. When it's all said and done K will CONTINUE to be loved by his fans, the media, his players past and present and of course he will continue to be hated by you and many other UNC fans (not all UNC fans). You will continue to call him selfish and claim he jeapordized Giles' career by allowing the young man to play if real professionals say it's ok. After it's all said and done there will be no smoking gun book exposing some wicked hidden truth about K. He will continue to do commercials and be an ambassador of the game and for Duke University.

Please spare us this propaganda BS, Tru. If we want to read this crap, we'll visit your site. Think it all you want but we don't want to read it here.

 

[Steat]

No i won't give him $1,000 if he hurts his knee. Why would I? If a UNC player blows out his knee will you give them $1,000?

We are talking about a player with 3 knee surgeries. There is no one on the Heels roster with even one knee surgery. Now, back to the subject at hand Oh Great One.

Here is the deal once again. I'm serious. If Giles plays for Duke and seriously hurts his knee again, I will contribute $1,000 to his Go Fund Me page if you find 1,000 Duke fans that will also contribute $1,000 each. I will purchase a $1,000 postal money order and let Dukiejay (The Great One) hold it. Once $1,000 fans contribute, Dukiejay deposits my money.

Now, since you will not contribute $1,000, will you set up the Go Fund Me page? That's the least you can do....agree?

Don't you think I'm a nice person for recommending we do this? This is not a joke. Dukiejay (The Great One) will hold my money order.

Here is the website.

https://www.gofundme.com/

Do we have a deal?

 

[Archer2]

We are talking about a player with 3 knee surgeries. There is no one on the Heels roster with even one knee surgery. Now, back to the subject at hand Oh Great One.

Here is the deal once again. I'm serious. If Giles plays for Duke and seriously hurts his knee again, I will contribute $1,000 to his Go Fund Me page if you find 1,000 Duke fans that will also contribute $1,000 each. I will purchase a $1,000 postal money order and let Dukiejay (The Great One) hold it. Once $1,000 fans contribute, Dukiejay deposits my money.

Don't you think I'm a nice person for recommending we do this? This is not a joke. Dukiejay (The Great One) will hold my money order.

Here is the website.

https://www.gofundme.com/

Do we have a deal?

Good luck with that, Steat. I'll bet you couldn't even get the LOM to contribute a thousand.

 

[Steat]

And that's fine, that is YOUR opinion. One I'm sure some others share and it's not an outlandish one IMO. However, there are plenty who do not share the aforementioned opinion. There are some who believe that if the kid is cleared by DOCTORS to play and the kid, family and coaches feel he can play and as a result, he does indeed play, it's not an indication of K's selfishness. As if to say any decent, kind and considerate coach would look at it the way YOU look at it or else their just selfish and not looking out for the kid. To me that's a false and disingenuous narrative. I'm assuming you believe that if it was Roy or Dean they would not allow the kid to play no matter what doctors, family or the kid says?

If a player has 3 knee surgeries that played for Roy I would say the same thing.

 

[Coach325]

I don't mind Steat's argument of sitting out for financial reasons. Apparently that is his line of work, so it makes sense to think in those terms.

But the argument of "messing up the 2017 recruiting class" if Giles comes back is absurd for a couple of reasons. 1) first and foremost....Giles ain't coming back. Period. 2) let's say that hypothetically he does for arguments sake. He may affect Bamba, but Carter is coming no matter what. It's been that way for a long time.

 

[Archer2]

I don't mind Steat's argument of sitting out for financial reasons. Apparently that is his line of work, so it makes sense to think in those terms.

But the argument of "messing up the 2017 recruiting class" if Giles comes back is absurd for a couple of reasons. 1) first and foremost....Giles ain't coming back. Period. 2) let's say that hypothetically he does for arguments sake. He may affect Bamba, but Carter is coming no matter what. It's been that way for a long time.

As one of the few Blue Devil posters I respect, do you think Giles is a lottery pick whether he sits out the season or not? IMO, he is.

 

[Steat]

Good luck with that, Steat. I'll bet you couldn't even get the LOM to contribute a thousand.

I agree. The LOM makes 10M a year and he would probably make up a dumb excuse for not contributing. If Giles gets hurt again he will push him to the curb since he can't help him win games. He will always be a selfish Rat.

 

[topps coach]

Not an insider just know a financial planner who represents numerous NBA players