Hubert is a great recruiter, man of God and loves UNC. He hasn’t done anything as a coach. The team this year is pretty much the same as last year, which was mediocre. Brady Manek was the MVP of the last part of the season and we do not have that type of player now. The March run was playing 5 guys like a rec league and guys getting hot. We would win this year if guys made shots, but we don’t have Manek as the glue.
Hubert Davis…RESIGN
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i said it 6 weeks ago, Hubert is our basketball John Bunting. insane passion for his university, but over his head job wise. he'll be given at least a few more years to bring in and develop his own recruits, but he better learn how to coach in-game quickly bc right now, he's lost most of the time.
Good post bleed
Hubert kept mentioning the same words Wednesday night after Pitt.
Discipline toughness and consistency - tightening the nuts and bolts to be successful.
We are so inconsistent on all of the above and if they were all freshman - I’d be a little more okay with it. We have to be one of the oldest teams as far as experience goes in the country.
In November/December I think most of us fans were like “it’s okay we will gel and start to click by February.
That’s a big no and just means last year was a helluva run but not sustainable for more than about 3 weeks.
He got Manek to play for him. How is that lucky? I am frustrated as hell, but this a weird thing to say. I will give HD a shot without this current roster, they were meh even with Roy and didn't excel at the fast break. We wouldn't be stuck with Nance (and dont act like all of you werent excited to get Nance as a transfer) if GG made up his reclass mind a a little sooner.
I wasn't excited to get Nance. I kept saying it wasn't a good fit. But people were like look his 3% is close!
After every loss this season I have read posters going on and on about how we have a defensive problem and sure, there are defensive issues that need to improve for sure but our bottom line problem is on the offensive end. We may have a team that has individuals that can shoot but over all we are not a good jump shooting team. WE start 3 guys that on any given night can score 20, every now and then a 4th guy will step up and score some but we have 2 starters that just are weak scorers, allows us to be defended 5 on 3, that makes what we get harder shots.
Leaky, scored well last night but even in games where he scores little he still usually makes up for it on the defensive end. But Nance...
It is one thing to have 1 weak scorer if that weak scorer gives you great defensive play, we start 2 weak scorers and only 1 of those 2 really gives us back on the defensive end. Andrew told you in a pod cast last night, Nance is still not fitting in, pretty late in the season to be still trying to figure out how to get Nance to fit in.
We are not getting blow out like we watched last season, we have been in position to win every game we have lost this season, maybe IU stands apart from that but not by much. Point is, it is a small handful of points and situations where we lead or are at least in a tie game in the last couple minutes, where a reliable scorer from the 3 or 4 spot would be difference making. This has been complicated by Puff being out as much as he has been, he could be that consistent scorer from one of those positions but he is been dinged up so much he just has not got in to a real game rythem. Styles has so far been no help, Mckoy either, and Nickel just does not seem to get the chances that maybe he should be getting at this point, he is by my eyes the closest we have to a Manek.
I would bring Nance off the bench rather than start, I would start Puff at the 4 and rotate in Jalen and Nickel, bring in Nance to rest Bacot. FYI, reason I would not put Leaky at the 4 is that if I am going to stretch I need a serious enough shooter that his defender has to follow him outside the paint and Leaky IMO is not that.
Leaky, scored well last night but even in games where he scores little he still usually makes up for it on the defensive end. But Nance...
It is one thing to have 1 weak scorer if that weak scorer gives you great defensive play, we start 2 weak scorers and only 1 of those 2 really gives us back on the defensive end. Andrew told you in a pod cast last night, Nance is still not fitting in, pretty late in the season to be still trying to figure out how to get Nance to fit in.
We are not getting blow out like we watched last season, we have been in position to win every game we have lost this season, maybe IU stands apart from that but not by much. Point is, it is a small handful of points and situations where we lead or are at least in a tie game in the last couple minutes, where a reliable scorer from the 3 or 4 spot would be difference making. This has been complicated by Puff being out as much as he has been, he could be that consistent scorer from one of those positions but he is been dinged up so much he just has not got in to a real game rythem. Styles has so far been no help, Mckoy either, and Nickel just does not seem to get the chances that maybe he should be getting at this point, he is by my eyes the closest we have to a Manek.
I would bring Nance off the bench rather than start, I would start Puff at the 4 and rotate in Jalen and Nickel, bring in Nance to rest Bacot. FYI, reason I would not put Leaky at the 4 is that if I am going to stretch I need a serious enough shooter that his defender has to follow him outside the paint and Leaky IMO is not that.
I am sure UNC fans really care about the opinions of a Pitt fan...NOT!
But will give you 1 serious piece of advice, try Mitchem's to help with that "ARM PIT STRONG" problem you guys scream about. Everyone around you will thank you for heeding my advice!
I really believe that there is dissention sp within this team. I see no joy amongst these players.
Solid points but Roy also had a problem benching certain players. Maybe it's about the team chemistry but bottom line is Love has just never become consistent enough as a shooter and can lack court vision for passing.
Hubert likely believes or believes he and some others will finally find their groove but I am with you, maybe it's time to put some different guys on the court. Maybe a different starting line-up.
His system requires some good 3 point shooters to open things up. Seems like we may want to start Nickel to see if he can be that guy.
Give it some time. Dean Smith was said to be a loser as well early in his career.
I have to admit, I was one of those people. I should have watched him play.
I think it is more in how we use nance that is the concern, just do not like him spending so much time outside the 3pt line when his real game is mid range and in. Frankly, Nance is more of a center than a 4, his feet are a bit slow and he does not show a real physical presence, so for me he is more Bacot back up than starter at the power forward position.
I’m not sure it’s fair to compare Roy struggling with this group with HD struggling. These guys were mostly freshman and sophomores when Roy had them. Now they’re juniors and seniors and they should have improved significantly.
I agree with others that these dudes look miserable out there. Nobody smiles, nobody seems excited and hyped about making a play and nobody is a leader on the court.
I agree with others that these dudes look miserable out there. Nobody smiles, nobody seems excited and hyped about making a play and nobody is a leader on the court.
Was Brady Manek an NBA talent? That all you lost from last year and it took Garcia leaving to inject more of him into the lineup.
Love HD and hope he hits his stride but he’s got a ways to go as a game manager. UNC has had a volume of good NBA talent in a while.
I think Armando tries but how many times is the big man suppose to be that leader. For me - it’s gotta be the guards. It’s gotta be RJ and Caleb and like you mention you never see anything positive or happy unless we’re up about 15.
Yep. No fire. I remember in tournament last year when Manek would do a dunk and he would scream with enthusiasm.. he had that hunger and thirst that Hubert likes to say all the time.. nobody on this team is like that. They could care less if they win or lose. Not sure why they even play. Maybe to collect NIL money, I guess. They don't care about the name on the front of jersey.
Armando tries but he's limited athletically. Against a big athletic center, he struggles big time. This team just isn't any good.
There is a rumor floating on the other board that RJ/Caleb are having a girl issue. Not saying it’s true but it could make sense as too the chemistry issue.
Yeah, that seems ridiculous. Thousands of girls on the campus and they gonna fight over the same one?!
We all know that things undefeated.
If one slept with the others GF, I could see that relationship going sideways.
It’s funny, I was talking to Jason Mills (Conley baseball coach) a couple weeks ago and he’s was talking about having a really talented team that had chemistry issues. Then toward the end found out it was because the SS slept with the 2nd GF, or vice versa but it plagued a really good team that won the state the next years.
Idk if the rumor has legs or not, but they have felt off throughout the season.
Kid has touch around the rim. Coach's have to put him in better position to be effective.
The current players need to watch this video several times, and try to embody his honesty, ownership and leadership. This is my favorite Manek interview (recorded on 11/23/2021).
Manek Insight
Manek Insight
Said it since day 1, the worst thing Hubert could do is be mediocre here. Not only has that overall mostly been the case, but it potentially fares even worse for us given the flash-in-the-pan 2022 run. It clearly earned him tons of good-will with the administration since they gave him an extension through like 2028.
What's more, he has been an excellent recruiter for his first few years. But great recruiters/underachieving coaches tend to keep their programs at the same level while always having the excuse of "just wait till the 202X class gets here" which I'm sure many of his dickriders and mega-homers here and across the fanbase will point to if we're still at this level next year.
I feel bad for folks that may not have realized he will be here until at least 2028 no matter what. At this point, I don't care whether he bombs or succeeds. I just want him to shit or get off the pot and stop dangling false hope in front of this fanbase.
What's more, he has been an excellent recruiter for his first few years. But great recruiters/underachieving coaches tend to keep their programs at the same level while always having the excuse of "just wait till the 202X class gets here" which I'm sure many of his dickriders and mega-homers here and across the fanbase will point to if we're still at this level next year.
I feel bad for folks that may not have realized he will be here until at least 2028 no matter what. At this point, I don't care whether he bombs or succeeds. I just want him to shit or get off the pot and stop dangling false hope in front of this fanbase.
I see no justification in criticizing fair weather fans. Such fans are timeless, and they will always exist and they are entitled to exist.
UNC Basketball is definitely a for-profit business, and HD, his assistants and the players are well compensated, and they understood that when they accepted their roles that they would be subject to civil fan criticism. Truth.
Who exactly pays the bills ? Yes, the fans. So fans, just like restaurant customers, can be loyal despite bad food and service, or be critical customers. Yes, the customers can be fair weather patrons because they pay the bills. Truth.
UNC Basketball is definitely a for-profit business, and HD, his assistants and the players are well compensated, and they understood that when they accepted their roles that they would be subject to civil fan criticism. Truth.
Who exactly pays the bills ? Yes, the fans. So fans, just like restaurant customers, can be loyal despite bad food and service, or be critical customers. Yes, the customers can be fair weather patrons because they pay the bills. Truth.
Maybe he should resign since scheyer owns hims. May never beat a scheyer lead dook team. Can’t believe this hasn’t been mentioned yet.
People who get on a message board to criticize aren't fair weather fans. That shows some passion for a program that they consider to be headed in the wrong direction. Passion doesn't show up in a fair weather fan, but passion isn't always expressed in a positive way. A fair weather fan just wouldn't show up, because they wouldn't care.
No he didn't. He didn't even earn the starting job until Dawson Garcia left the team.
He was great down the stretch, but so were RJ, Caleb, and Mando and Leaky was a lockdown defensive specialist. It was far from Manek's team.
I love that people who think Hubert suck simply ignore that Roy had bad seasons with experienced teams who had lofty preseason expectations. Roy had 3 years I recall where we had pretty average talent, yet had pretty good regular seasons. 2016-17 (Cam Johnson year), 2017-18 (Cam Johnson year), and Hansbrough's freshman season. Those 3 years, we lost in the second round of the tournament twice, and the sweet 16 the other year. Hubert almost won a national championship.
Every other year Roy's teams sucked, people will be quick to point the finger to something else. Maybe part of it was Roy started Desmond Hubert and Joel James over PJ Hairston one year. Also, we're now crediting Roy for taking like 1/2 of the season to start Kendall Marshall over LDII? Who on this team's bench is so clearly an upgrade over anyone on the starting 5 where a lineup change is brutally obvious? We're only saying that because we're realizing we're just not all that good.
Here's my take on Hubert. I don't know if he's a good in-game coach or not. I assume he's a below average in game coach because the majority of college basketball coaches are. But I also think this core is who they are regardless what Hubert does.
But this is also what I know. Hubert took this mediocre core, plus Manek (a non-NBA talent) and we were a Bacot twisted ankle and a couple of defensive rebounds away from winning a national championship. If Roy ever did that during his tenure, holy crap that would be the first thing everyone who hates Hubert would bring up. But you can't. Because Roy never won crap with crap teams. That doesn't make Roy a bad coach. It makes him the norm in that circumstance, lol. All I'm saying is if that was Roy's circumstance on his way to coaching a crap team to being minutes away from a championship, then very few of the Hubert haters would bring up the possibility that maybe Roy got lucky on that particular run. Maybe Hubert got lucky and he was a terrible coach who happened to be on-board a team that got white hot who ended up being in the same bracket as a 2/15 upset. But to just assume that is a little funny to me.
Like him, or not, Hubert did one thing that Roy could never come close to doing. Getting to a Final Four with an average team. Again, I'm not saying Hubert is a good/bad/terrible coach. My bigger point is the criticism for him is much more specific, and Roy's failures get conveniently ignored.
Every other year Roy's teams sucked, people will be quick to point the finger to something else. Maybe part of it was Roy started Desmond Hubert and Joel James over PJ Hairston one year. Also, we're now crediting Roy for taking like 1/2 of the season to start Kendall Marshall over LDII? Who on this team's bench is so clearly an upgrade over anyone on the starting 5 where a lineup change is brutally obvious? We're only saying that because we're realizing we're just not all that good.
Here's my take on Hubert. I don't know if he's a good in-game coach or not. I assume he's a below average in game coach because the majority of college basketball coaches are. But I also think this core is who they are regardless what Hubert does.
But this is also what I know. Hubert took this mediocre core, plus Manek (a non-NBA talent) and we were a Bacot twisted ankle and a couple of defensive rebounds away from winning a national championship. If Roy ever did that during his tenure, holy crap that would be the first thing everyone who hates Hubert would bring up. But you can't. Because Roy never won crap with crap teams. That doesn't make Roy a bad coach. It makes him the norm in that circumstance, lol. All I'm saying is if that was Roy's circumstance on his way to coaching a crap team to being minutes away from a championship, then very few of the Hubert haters would bring up the possibility that maybe Roy got lucky on that particular run. Maybe Hubert got lucky and he was a terrible coach who happened to be on-board a team that got white hot who ended up being in the same bracket as a 2/15 upset. But to just assume that is a little funny to me.
Like him, or not, Hubert did one thing that Roy could never come close to doing. Getting to a Final Four with an average team. Again, I'm not saying Hubert is a good/bad/terrible coach. My bigger point is the criticism for him is much more specific, and Roy's failures get conveniently ignored.
Hubert is who I want recruiting in an NIL era. He is getting good talent with a sales pitch of you have to work hard and we are family rather than go get your money. I would rather lose with that kind of player than win with the other.
That being said, he has good talent coming in. Talent that I do not think we have gotten lately. There is no NBA talent in the current starting 5. Love and Bacot are closest. RJ is a defensive liability as is Nance most of the time. In spite of these shortcomings we are in every game. Here's hoping for some shooting and some solid bench play for more than a few minutes.
That being said, he has good talent coming in. Talent that I do not think we have gotten lately. There is no NBA talent in the current starting 5. Love and Bacot are closest. RJ is a defensive liability as is Nance most of the time. In spite of these shortcomings we are in every game. Here's hoping for some shooting and some solid bench play for more than a few minutes.
Rj is ok at defense if nance is not involved. Lol. ie watch the screens set on rj with nances guy. He has no clue how to defend the pick.
I'll admit I do not know hat much about defending, but I am tired of seeing RJ's man driving with no one in front of him to the basket. For all I know it could be Nance, but it seems to always be RJ's man scoring.
I am sure that I am not the only observer that has noticed opponents in the last month have really attacked RJ Davis because of his size. I agree he is a tough nut and has taken a physical beating the last couple of games but he is still getting picked on defensively…
He plays hard, but has reverted to the "head snap flop" or hooking his arm in to pull the driver in for the chance to get an offensive call. I think the refs have become aware of that as well. He is definitely a target they want to get preferred matchups with.
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