Knox & Hamilton

[DSouthr]

Really good game for those 2 fellas to visit us for! Huff was there but he is becoming a fixture to all our home games, leaky and Colbey were there as well. They got to see Marcus & Brice honored at half time, got to the see our wing have a great game and got to see us destroy the #14 team in the country!

Nothing could be finer than to be at Carolina ! Pull that trigger fellas!

 

[mikeirbyusa]

Love to grab Knox and Hamilton.

Zion is bought and paid for.

 

[Sk1310]

I saw Knox was sitting with Huffman. Hopefully he was in his ear all night haha.

 

[DSouthr]

http://footballscoop.com/news/nike-adidas-or-ua-who-wears-what-in-fbs/

The above is a pretty good link to what schools wear, gamecocks, duke, Ky, Clemson are none addias, Miss St is, so is Kansas...

 

[Archer2]

To say I would be elated if we signed Knox and Hamilton, would be an understatement of magnitude 10. Great game for them to visit with Marcus and Brice being honored. I would have preferred to get a win against a more uptempo team but a 24 point win against UVA is a 50 point blowout with the style they play. And at this stage, these guys know we love to run anyway.

 

[heels05champs]

Love what Hamilton could bring to Carolina and I think he'd be a perfect fit.

 

[RoseHeel]

Interesting article with quotes from Knox + Family: http://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-basketball-men/article133976399.html

UNC was the final school to get him on campus for an official visit, and Knox Sr. said Coach Roy Williams came at them a little differently than the others.

“I thought they sold their desire to — not only want him — but they showed there was a need for him, as well,” he said. “Obviously, it feels good when Coach Roy looked at us and said, ‘It’s not necessarily a want here. There’s other schools that may want you. But here at North Carolina, we not only want you, we need you.’”

With UK and Duke, it was more of a “want.”

“When you dissect each roster, I can actually see where Florida State and North Carolina would absolutely, positively need a guy like Kevin in the role that he would fulfill,” Knox Sr. said. “Whereas Kentucky, I think they might be all right. As well as Duke.”

 

[TPFKAPFS]

This all sounds positive, yet a little political. His pops surely knows how to keep it close to the vest. I really love this kid and hope we don't have to face him in the tourney next year! He would thrive in our system and give himself a chance to shine individually and compete for a Team Championship!

 

[Steat]

PJ Washington's dad said some of the same things.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

So did JJ's dad!

Positive is positive and the families are totally different. I feel positive vibes from this recruitment, but I think we will be fine either way! Knox is a game changer, but we are the Tar Heels!

 

[RoseHeel]

PJ Washington's dad said some of the same things.

Honestly, who's parents don't say this stuff? I've never really seen anyone talk sh*t about a school still on their list.

It's been pointed out that PJ's dad had a humongous man crush on Cal and UK.

 

[UNC&ME]

next yr..no legitimate scoring 3..a threat game in/game out...yep, he is a "need"..like it or not Pinson is injury prone-certainly cannot play every minute-Robinson, a sub at best-of course all summer to improve

 

[ClarktonHeel]

I would love to get this kid but if I had my choice between him and a Sr. year of Justin Jackson , I would take Jackson everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. You can't beat experience and Justin has a lot of it.

 

[tw3301]

I don't know how much you guys have watched of Knox but if you're expecting him to come in and perform as well as a junior Justin Jackson you're going to be disappointed and that is an unfair expectation to put on Knox. He is good but he isn't some otherworldly talent like Anthony Davis that is going to drastically change a team and carry them to a title.

 

[2DDIMOND]

I would love to get this kid but if I had my choice between him and a Sr. year of Justin Jackson , I would take Jackson everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. You can't beat experience and Justin has a lot of it.

Jackson is not returning so the choice is Knox, or no Knox. I like the first one.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

However, he is a 6'8" big bodied wing that can do things our slender Mr. Jackson can't. He is as close to a can't miss in college as you can be. I don't compare player expectation, but he will certainly make a difference somewhere next year!

 

[RoseHeel]

I don't know how much you guys have watched of Knox but if you're expecting him to come in and perform as well as a junior Justin Jackson you're going to be disappointed and that is an unfair expectation to put on Knox. He is good but he isn't some otherworldly talent like Anthony Davis that is going to drastically change a team and carry them to a title.

But at the very least, he could give us a break from the "UNC can't recruit OADs" mentality. Currently projected at #8 Overall.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

What would be better? For Knox to come in and match the effectiveness of JJ OR break the myth of the OAD jinx?

I prefer winning so I choose the first option.

 

[2DDIMOND]

I would love to get this kid but if I had my choice between him and a Sr. year of Justin Jackson , I would take Jackson everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. You can't beat experience and Justin has a lot of it.

In addition, getting Knox & having him be OAD would do waaaay more for future recruiting than JJ returning for his senior year. In fact, JJ returning might have an adverse effect on recruiting. I get what you are saying from a talent standpoint & I completely agree, but I think I'd rather go with the potential multiyear benefits Knox could bring than the one extra year JJ could give us. A little irony in that last sentence since Knox is OAD (likely) & JJ is the multiyear guy.

 

[RoseHeel]

What would be better? For Knox to come in and match the effectiveness of JJ OR break the myth of the OAD jinx?

I prefer winning so I choose the first option.

Tbh, if he matches the effectiveness of JJ, he's still OAD.

But I think I get your point. Personally, I'd rather have Knox go OAD, simply because of the fact that we need that type of go-to guy when we talk recruiting. It would help much more in the long term than it would for just the next year alone, which may not be the "reload" season some are expecting.

 

[tw3301]

But at the very least, he could give us a break from the "UNC can't recruit OADs" mentality. Currently projected at #8 Overall.

Unless he stays 2 years lol... Which in all honesty I could see him doing.

 

[TPFKAPFS]

This is where I really differ with many peeps. I couldn't care less about the OAD myth that many try to spread. I am much more invested in the fact that my team keeps winning and Roy keeps developing players I am proud to call Tar Heels! The doomers are ALWAYS calling next year the season we come back to Earth due to any number of manufactured reasons, but Roy and Company keep putting out a product that is fun to watch and successful!

To my point: If Knox comes in and helps the Tar Heels win games, I couldn't care less about whether he goes after 1 or 2 years. The Tar Heels will win regardless of the naysayers!

Join the Fun and Family Mr. Knox and Mr. Hamilton!

 

[carolinablue34]

But at the very least, he could give us a break from the "UNC can't recruit OADs" mentality. Currently projected at #8 Overall.

By far the most important aspect of us potentially getting him.

 

[UNC&ME]

better to have one yr from Knox together with.. Pinson & Berry(seniors) and possibly one yr from Felton

 

[Ozheelfan]

By far the most important aspect of us potentially getting him.

I thought the purpose of getting players is so they can play, not just for them to be billboards.

As I see it, the most important aspect about Knox is he's a 6-8, dynamic, scoring '3' who'll fill a need immediately for the transition after Justin leaves.

He'd give Roy a go-to alpha-type player as a hub for the wing rotation: Theo, Knox, Kenny, Brandon (mix and match all you like, that's a great bunch of talent to share around minutes)

Bringing Knox in will likely result in 2-3 extra wins, it'll likely mean less of a drop-off, it'll mean a better seed in the tournament etc, etc.....

Much more than just a walking advertisement for OAD kids, his inclusion will help the team stay at or near the top which is really what recruits are meant to do.

 

[DSouthr]

I don't know how much you guys have watched of Knox but if you're expecting him to come in and perform as well as a junior Justin Jackson you're going to be disappointed and that is an unfair expectation to put on Knox. He is good but he isn't some otherworldly talent like Anthony Davis that is going to drastically change a team and carry them to a title.

Wait now, it must be looking good for us if dukies have begun trying to throw shade at him!

FYI, can ya link to where Tar Heels have compared the kid to Anthony Davis or even that he is any more than a great replacement for Justin? Is he other worldly talent like Tatum, Bolden, Jackson, or Giles were hyped to be by your dukies?

Kinda funny how stuff seems to work now days but the pattern is, first make up some BS, then accuse the other side of spreading the BS that you made up? Politics, meet the sporting world...

 

[Archer2]

I thought the purpose of getting players is so they can play, not just for them to be billboards.

As I see it, the most important aspect about Knox is he's a 6-8, dynamic, scoring '3' who'll fill a need immediately for the transition after Justin leaves.

He'd give Roy a go-to alpha-type player as a hub for the wing rotation: Theo, Knox, Kenny, Brandon (mix and match all you like, that's a great bunch of talent to share around minutes)

Bringing Knox in will likely result in 2-3 extra wins, it'll likely mean less of a drop-off, it'll mean a better seed in the tournament etc, etc.....

Much more than just a walking advertisement for OAD kids, his inclusion will help the team stay at or near the top which is really what recruits are meant to do.

Love this entire post. Absolutely spot on.

 

[DSouthr]

I thought the purpose of getting players is so they can play, not just for them to be billboards.

As I see it, the most important aspect about Knox is he's a 6-8, dynamic, scoring '3' who'll fill a need immediately for the transition after Justin leaves.

He'd give Roy a go-to alpha-type player as a hub for the wing rotation: Theo, Knox, Kenny, Brandon (mix and match all you like, that's a great bunch of talent to share around minutes)

Bringing Knox in will likely result in 2-3 extra wins, it'll likely mean less of a drop-off, it'll mean a better seed in the tournament etc, etc.....

Much more than just a walking advertisement for OAD kids, his inclusion will help the team stay at or near the top which is really what recruits are meant to do.

^ THIS ^

I seriously doubt there are any Tar Heels that think this kid coming to us would be the next Carmello or Lebron or even the Jr version of Justin Jackson for that matter. What I think most UNC fans see in the kid is as good a replacement as you are going to find for the departing Justin Jackson, a kid that can step in to a starting role, like Justin did that may even be better as a freshman than Justin was.

I don't care if he is one & done or plays a senior season for us or any where in between honestly, I really only care about how he fits in to our area of need and the fact that he would fit our area of need perfectly.

While I get and respect where folks are coming from with the one & done consideration and its potential for opening the door to other one & dones, I am way more invested in winning this season. IN the off season, I am way more invested in winning that next season than I am being worried about what may happen 2 or 3 yr from now. A great fit for an area of need for next season means to me we are more likly to win more games next season. IMO the key to getting a constant flow of great talents is playing a style these kids like to play, we do that at UNC AND winning, as in going deep in to the NCAAT. Final 4 teams, especially those that get to the final 4 often will get talented players. Getting there once can be considered good but getting there back to back turns heads, getting there back to back when you lost 2 key players like we did with Marcus and Brice will turn heads, it has already turned the tone the media has taken with us. Vital that we make it at least to the final 4 this season, can not under state how important that would be to us moving forward!

 

[Archer2]

^ THIS ^

I seriously doubt there are any Tar Heels that think this kid coming to us would be the next Carmello or Lebron or even the Jr version of Justin Jackson for that matter. What I think most UNC fans see in the kid is as good a replacement as you are going to find for the departing Justin Jackson, a kid that can step in to a starting role, like Justin did that may even be better as a freshman than Justin was.

I don't care if he is one & done or plays a senior season for us or any where in between honestly, I really only care about how he fits in to our area of need and the fact that he would fit our area of need perfectly.

While I get and respect where folks are coming from with the one & done consideration and its potential for opening the door to other one & dones, I am way more invested in winning this season. IN the off season, I am way more invested in winning that next season than I am being worried about what may happen 2 or 3 yr from now. A great fit for an area of need for next season means to me we are more likly to win more games next season. IMO the key to getting a constant flow of great talents is playing a style these kids like to play, we do that at UNC AND winning, as in going deep in to the NCAAT. Final 4 teams, especially those that get to the final 4 often will get talented players. Getting there once can be considered good but getting there back to back turns heads, getting there back to back when you lost 2 key players like we did with Marcus and Brice will turn heads, it has already turned the tone the media has taken with us. Vital that we make it at least to the final 4 this season, can not under state how important that would be to us moving forward!

Another great post that I couldn't agree with more. I often think fans fail to enjoy the present for worrying about the future, this year being an example.

 

[tw3301]

Wait now, it must be looking good for us if dukies have begun trying to throw shade at him!

FYI, can ya link to where Tar Heels have compared the kid to Anthony Davis or even that he is any more than a great replacement for Justin? Is he other worldly talent like Tatum, Bolden, Jackson, or Giles were hyped to be by your dukies?

Kinda funny how stuff seems to work now days but the pattern is, first make up some BS, then accuse the other side of spreading the BS that you made up? Politics, meet the sporting world...

What? Where did I say UNC fans compared him to anyone else? Just my opinion on him and it won't change if he goes to Duke, Kentucky, FSU, etc. And I'm not "throwing shade" (whatever that is) at all man, no idea where you're getting that.

 

[Archer2]

I don't know how much you guys have watched of Knox but if you're expecting him to come in and perform as well as a junior Justin Jackson you're going to be disappointed and that is an unfair expectation to put on Knox. He is good but he isn't some otherworldly talent like Anthony Davis that is going to drastically change a team and carry them to a title.

Actually, I think he could drastically change our team. I think it's a given that JJ will declare after this season and Knox would step in and ably fill the SF slot from day one. If Joel returns, and I think he will, we could once again be contenders for the ACC title if we get Knox. I still think he's dook or UK bound but I would be happy to be wrong.

 

[DSouthr]

What? Where did I say UNC fans compared him to anyone else? Just my opinion on him and it won't change if he goes to Duke, Kentucky, FSU, etc. And I'm not "throwing shade" (whatever that is) at all man, no idea where you're getting that.

LOL, dude, did ya read your post, I did. You expressed your assumption that UNC fans considered the kid to be as good as this season's version of Justin to begin with and you ended by invoking Anthony Davis and telling us he was not going to be that?

Now I didn't just spin that, that is what you said and that is what I responded to. Re-read what you said and then consider where you said it and you should not be surprised that I took it in the context that I did or my reply to it.

BTW, it is 2017 and you do not know what throwing shade is? LOL

 

[DSouthr]

Actually, I think he could drastically change our team. I think it's a given that JJ will declare after this season and Knox would step in and ably fill the SF slot from day one. If Joel returns, and I think he will, we could once again be contenders for the ACC title if we get Knox. I still think he's dook or UK bound but I would be happy to be wrong.

Arch, man, I feel ya on the way you see Knox potential for coming to UNC, I am right there with ya. Neither one of us want to believe it so much that it would hurt so bad if he did end up elsewhere so we don't want to let ourselves believe this. Thou I do think, like me, that inside, even thou you really don't want to say it you are thinking the same thing I am. You just don't want to mess up the karma, as if saying that you or I believe he is coming to us could kill it. It is like when you want something really really bad and don't get it that we blame the not getting it on the wanting it so badly. Considering how fate has dealt us some tough hands in the last few years makes that great hand harder to believe in or that the river card will not sink you. In many ways Knox is our prayer on the river card, we may have the best hand right now but that river card can change it and has on a couple prior hands recently.

 

[Archer2]

You know me better than I thought, Dave. We have zero, repeat zero chance of signing Knox.

 

[DSouthr]

You know me better than I thought, Dave. We have zero, repeat zero chance of signing Knox.

I see what ya did there, good job of playing the karma roll!

I just spoke to Loa Hung, my contact in the basketball Triad (Chinese mafia, not in reference to the RTP area. Now after performing several Kung Fu rituals required for his communion with the elders he informs me that Knox to UNC is not likely but does admit that all he had to work with was Lipton's tea and that those leaves are not nearly as accurate as the home brewed stuff he prefers to sell!

 

[gunslingerdick]

Guys, let's not jump all over @tw3301. He's easily the best duke poaster we've ever had around here. And with regard to Knox, he's spot on. Knox is not going to come in and produce at JJ's level as a junior. That's just not going to happen. And to expect it is just setting yourself up for disappointment. I also agree with our duke friend that Knox isn't a certain OAD player. I could see him being here for 2 years. And then the question is this: would it be bad from a perception standpoint if Knox came and wasn't OAD? Because we keep talking about how we need a top 10 recruit to come in, play well and get drafted in the lottery to help fix the perception of UNC not being a landing spot for potential OAD players. But if that's the mindset, then wouldn't it also be true that him coming and not leaving after one year would hurt us? Personally, I don't care as I'm not a fan of chasing guys that have made it clear they only want to be in school for one year.

But looking at Knox, I'm not sure why everyone thinks he's a bona fide OAD. Has he stated so? Is he better than Barnes? Does he have an interest in one day completing a degree? Does he want a semblance of a college experience? Are there holes in his game that will get exposed playing 28 mpg in our system? It will be Berry and Theo's team next year and they will be the guys Roy leans on. When you take all of that into account, I think the chances are against him being OAD. And then we're back to the question of how that will look for future top recruits.

 

[Coach325]

I watched Knox at the Peach Jam this past summer and several times on TV and could def see him staying around more than a year wherever he goes. He has great length and rebounds really well and finishes well around the rim. My only concern with Knox, (and again I don't know if he goes to Duke/UNC/UK) so this not sour grapes or anything, is that he really wants to be a 3 and yet his 2 biggest weaknesses IMO are ball handling and shooting. His ball handling is not terrible, but not great either.......his shooting is very average and will need to work on a consistent jumper. These are things he can work on and improve, but like a few above have said I'm not sure that will all come together in year one of college. I see Knox helping by being a really good "piece" of an already good team........not the type of guy that leads a team deep in the tourney.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

But at the very least, he could give us a break from the "UNC can't recruit OADs" mentality. Currently projected at #8 Overall.

This is why it would be a huge get for the Heels. He doesn't even have to win us anymore games, per se. Just playing well enough for a year and going in the top 10 picks to the NBA as a OAD would be immensely helpful to the program, probably more so than whatever he does on the court.

What would be better? For Knox to come in and match the effectiveness of JJ OR break the myth of the OAD jinx?

I prefer winning so I choose the first option.

I also prefer winning, so I'll take the latter. Him coming in and matching the effectiveness of JJ would help for a year. Him breaking the OAD drought and thus causing more top tier players to come to UNC would help for several years to come. Sort of like a "give a man a fish feed him for a day, teach a man to fish feed him for a lifetime" type deal.

 

[FlaTarHeel]

We "need" Hamilton far more than we need Knox.

Trust me on this

 

[Archer2]

His ball handling is not terrible, but not great either.......his shooting is very average and will need to work on a consistent jumper. These are things he can work on and improve, but like a few above have said I'm not sure that will all come together in year one of college. I see Knox helping by being a really good "piece" of an already good team........not the type of guy that leads a team deep in the tourney.

He is a very good player who fits a position of need for us. Exactly what we need. He doesn't need to be the second coming and I don't know anyone who thinks he is.