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Fedora is ok. He is a solid coach. The injuries aren't an excuse but they are a factor when evaluating things. Like others have said, change for change sake isn't the right move if you don't have someone better lined up.
I've been saying that as well, but we just looked horrible against VT. It looked like we weren't prepared at all. I knew this was going to be a rebuilding year and injuries have made it worse, but it's more than that. Let's see how the team responds now that we definitely won't be bowling. If he can keep them together for the rest of the year I'll feel better going into next year. If he can't I expect next year to be his last.
 
Ya'll happy you did that to yourselves?



Lol. Fed couldn't hold Butch's jock strap. And if you think Baylor was even close to the creme de la creme that year I don't know what to tell you. Fed may very well be the best we can get, but if you think he's anything even approaching "good" I want some of whatever the **** you're smoking.

So how do you explain Butch only winning 8 games with all that talent?

Baylor was a top 3 team all year until they lost 3 starting QBs (and other injuries) late in the season. They were rolling people all year and had a monster offensive line. Briles has questionable character but was an incredible coach. The fact you don't think Baylor was legit is laughable.

Finally, you thinking Fedora isn't even approaching good means I can't take you seriously in any football conversation and makes me question your overall intelligence.
Like @uncboy10 said, most of that is due to the type of offense he runs. He may be off to the second best start (which isn't exactly a high bar), but we aren't any better as a program now than when he got here. Apparently you don't listen to the games, because multiple announcers and people in the studio actually say it during the broadcast. That's how bad it is. I could find an ass load of articles by experts but you would ignore them, so there is no point.


This is easily one of the top 20 and probably top 15 dumbest posts on this site. It's like nukem political level dumb.

Please provide the articles or links to experts discussing this. I'll happily review them.
I missed this earlier.

You think Larry Fedora is one of the Top 15 college football coaches in the country?

Yes

So what would you have us do? Give him six more years, because the handcuffs just came off, to build our depth a get back to full strength? Knowing the PTB at UNC, that may just happen. But by the end of that scenario, there may not be 10,000 butts in the seats on game day.

I believe all the things you mentioned are factors in our current mess. But I, like very many others, feel Fed is also a significant part of the problem. If you truly believe that he is one of the top 15-20 best HC's in the country, I've got some oceanfront property in Arizona I want to sell you.

Now I'm through with this discussion because it is a moot point. As you said, only time will tell how good Fed actually is. I'll be pulling for them as I have for five and a half decades but my expectations will be very low.

He's got a good track record as a HC. He's won the coastal despite many hurdles. We have solid recruiting now with the NCAA handcuffs coming off. We support him and be willing to go after better assistants, i.e. open the checkbook.
 
Baylor was a top 3 team all year until they lost 3 starting QBs (and other injuries) late in the season. They were rolling people all year and had a monster offensive line. Briles has questionable character but was an incredible coach. The fact you don't think Baylor was legit is laughable.

Finally, you thinking Fedora isn't even approaching good means I can't take you seriously in any football conversation and makes me question your overall intelligence.

You proved my point right there. Essentially, they were good until they lost their QBs... well, we played them after they lost their QBs and were purely one-dimensional and still couldn't stop them.

And my overall intelligence is dependent on my opinion of the ability of a coach who has had one good season in his entire tenure at UNC... good to know.
 
You proved my point right there. Essentially, they were good until they lost their QBs... well, we played them after they lost their QBs and were purely one-dimensional and still couldn't stop them.

And my overall intelligence is dependent on my opinion of the ability of a coach who has had one good season in his entire tenure at UNC... good to know.
Briles knew he could run on us and he did. It was the worst match-up possible for our defense. A great team had a month to install a new offense that we had zero tape on.

You’re not very good at this stuff
 
I think this is a stalemate between Ticket and H_T_S_2010. Neither are as smart as me, but I still love y'all.
You're cute and growing on me, but no. I would place you above HTS, especially regarding your football acumen. We have people itt doubting Fedora so much that they won't even consider him a good coach. My mind is blown.

Keep up the good work and maybe I'll hire you after grad school.
 
You're cute and growing on me, but no. I would place you above HTS, especially regarding your football acumen. We have people itt doubting Fedora so much that they won't even consider him a good coach. My mind is blown.

Keep up the good work and maybe I'll hire you after grad school.
Yeah I don't really give a shit what you think about my or anyone else's football acumen lol.
 
Dude, you think Fedora is a top 15 coach in the country.

Take a lap.
But he can win at Texas A&M though. You know, the same guy that has a losing record against duke is going to be able to beat Alabama, LSU, Auburn and UGA. To be fair, he did admit in another thread that he was drunk when he was writing a lot of that. Of course, that was pretty obvious without him telling us.
 
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For chrissakes we had 21 players out. Twenty freaking one. Forget the depth and talent issues, u guys have any ideal how demoralizing it is to see so many guys around u on the field that u know for a fact dont belong there? What kind of confidence do u think that instills? U know the game is lost before it starts. We all knew. Your lack of depth shows most on special teams and man they looked horrible as did the o-line. But imagine that. A bunch of inexperienced players going up against arguably the best def and special teams coach in the country. No amount of coaching,
Play calling, pep talks, will make a bit of difference when you’re spotting a team 21 players. The coaches and players KNOW that. I dont know why the fans dont. The only fair judgement of fedora right now is whether or not he keeps this team from quitting and turning on each other. If he does that he will have my respect.

My other fav team is the packers. Another team decimated by injuries. Guy’s starting that were cut off other teams. Their fans have turned on the coach big time. Ready to fire him. Lol.
 
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For chrissakes we had 21 players out. Twenty freaking one. Forget the depth and talent issues, u guys have any ideal how demoralizing it is to see so many guys around u on the field that u know for a fact dont belong there? What kind of confidence do u think that instills? U know the game is lost before it starts. We all knew. Your lack of depth shows most on special teams and man they looked horrible. No amount of coaching,
Play calling, pep talks, will make a bit of difference when you’re spotting a team 21 players. The coaches and players KNOW that. I dont know why the fans dont. The only fair judgement of fedora right now is whether or not he keeps this team from quitting and turning on each other. If he does that he will have my respect.
Exactly. You simply can't glean many things, if anything at all, from this season. I know the gut reaction is to freak out and say "fire everyone," and trust me, I get that lol. In the heat of the moment of watching us get beat by a veryyyyyy mediocre UVA and Duke team we have no business losing to, it's tough to not hate everything about it.

But if you take a step back after the dust settles and look at it, there's just nothing you can glean when you have so many players out. We have guys playing significant snap counts at WR who would never, ever, ever see the field in their entire career, if the roster was at full strength. So it's just a mess.
 
For chrissakes we had 21 players out. Twenty freaking one. Forget the depth and talent issues, u guys have any ideal how demoralizing it is to see so many guys around u on the field that u know for a fact dont belong there? What kind of confidence do u think that instills? U know the game is lost before it starts. We all knew. Your lack of depth shows most on special teams and man they looked horrible. No amount of coaching,
Play calling, pep talks, will make a bit of difference when you’re spotting a team 21 players. The coaches and players KNOW that. I dont know why the fans dont. The only fair judgement of fedora right now is whether or not he keeps this team from quitting and turning on each other. If he does that he will have my respect.

Don’t talk about injuries! You’ll have people who have been watching 7 plus decades calling you out for having your head in the sand!

Serious note. You’re exactly right. Fedora is no godsend of a coach but he’s more than capable of coaching a winning program. As pointed out this was supposed to be a ‘rebuilding year’. Add in 21 ****ing injuries and what exactly do people expect? Also as you and @tarheel0910 have stated if he can keep this team from rolling over after the Vtech debacle he’s done a great job in my book.
 
For chrissakes we had 21 players out. Twenty freaking one. Forget the depth and talent issues, u guys have any ideal how demoralizing it is to see so many guys around u on the field that u know for a fact dont belong there? What kind of confidence do u think that instills? U know the game is lost before it starts. We all knew. Your lack of depth shows most on special teams and man they looked horrible. No amount of coaching,
Play calling, pep talks, will make a bit of difference when you’re spotting a team 21 players. The coaches and players KNOW that. I dont know why the fans dont. The only fair judgement of fedora right now is whether or not he keeps this team from quitting and turning on each other. If he does that he will have my respect.

My other fav team is the packers. Another team decimated by injuries. Guy’s starting that were cut off other teams. Their fans have turned on the coach big time. Ready to fire him. Lol.


Great poast.
 
The only fair judgement of fedora right now is whether or not he keeps this team from quitting and turning on each other. If he does that he will have my respect.
I agree that is the only fair judgment for this year, however when you look at his total UNC career play calling has been a long running problem. So it's not just the ridiculous idea to throw a pass when you're in your own end zone this year. It's also about not giving the ball to Hood in the south Carolina game and having Mitch throw 1,000 times in the UGA game (including a screen in the end zone). Those are just a few examples.
 
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I agree that is the only fair judgment for this year, however when you look at his total UNC career play calling has been a long running problem. So it's not just the ridiculous idea to throw a pass when you're in your own end zone this year. It's also about not giving the ball to Hood in the south Carolina game and having Mitch throw 1,000 times in the UGA game (including a screen in the end zone). Those are just a few examples.
Yes, these are valid criticisms. That's why I said "almost nothing" can be gleaned from this season. It's absolutely fair to question WTF we were doing in the ND game running from the shotgun on our 1-inch line.

In Fedora's defense, he didn't do this against VT when we were backed up. We were in the I-formation (I was shocked). Still nearly got stopped for a safety though because our O-Line is bad.
 
All that being said about not being able to glean much, it's very apparent (to me at least) that a change is needed at OL. Trubisky's mobility and Marquise's mobility/strength saved many would-be sacks given up by the OL. I'm not impressed at all with our OL performance. And that's one of our healthier units this season.
 
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All that being said about not being able to glean much, it's very apparent (to me at least) that a change is needed at OL. Trubisky's mobility and Marquise's mobility/strength saved many would-be sacks given up by the OL. I'm not impressed at all with our OL performance. And that's one of our healthier units this season.
I'm wondering if that is due to Kap playing two roles though. Our OL didn't seem to be much of an issue until recently. Like you said MW and Mitch could have masked the issues, but maybe a part of the problem is Kap just can't handle the duel roles
 
I'm wondering if that is due to Kap playing two roles though. Our OL didn't seem to be much of an issue until recently. Like you said MW and Mitch could have masked the issues, but maybe a part of the problem is Kap just can't handle the duel roles
Kap is only OC in title. It’s to get him more money. Fed is grooming Heck for the OC spot.
 
Dude, you think Fedora is a top 15 coach in the country.

Take a lap.

But he can win at Texas A&M though. You know, the same guy that has a losing record against duke is going to be able to beat Alabama, LSU, Auburn and UGA. To be fair, he did admit in another thread that he was drunk when he was writing a lot of that. Of course, that was pretty obvious without him telling us.

In my mind Fedora is a top 15 coach. Easily a top 20. You guys disagree. But Hark doesn’t even think he’s a good coach. It’s pointless trying to argue as none of us will move an inch it appears.
 
Kap is only OC in title. It’s to get him more money. Fed is grooming Heck for the OC spot.
Yeah, Heck calls the plays.

I'm wondering if that is due to Kap playing two roles though. Our OL didn't seem to be much of an issue until recently. Like you said MW and Mitch could have masked the issues, but maybe a part of the problem is Kap just can't handle the duel roles
IMHO, the O-Line being inferior isn't new to this season. And keep in mind, we don't necessarily face elite pass rushers week in and week out. The two best DLmen in the ACC both play for Clemson, and we avoid them 5 out of every 6 years. Settle is pretty good, though, at VT and y'all saw how much he dominated our OL.

My point being, if we played Clemson every year and if we had a permanent SEC rival like GT, Clemson, FSU do, our offensive line would look even worse! The SEC is down overall, but they're still strong in the defensive trenches.

To me, the OL play just is not cutting it. And I don't think it's as simple as saying "spread offense linemen are more finesse." It's time for a change at OL coach. Kap has been with Fedora for forever though, so I'm interested to see if it happens.
 
Its also worth noting we've recruited extremely well on the o-line since Fed got here.
 
Its also worth noting we've recruited extremely well on the o-line since Fed got here.
Exactly, and it's not translating into on-field dominance nor sustained individual NFL success. Bodine and J. Cooper were 5 years ago at this point. Guys like Bentley Spain are coming in highly touted but aren't turning into stars. Spain is a shell of his former self this year. I'm not sure he even has a shot at an NFL future at this point. Other 4**** guys like Mason Veal have yet to amount to anything thus far (but Veal still has an opportunity in the future). Some guys like Prince have just been busts.
 
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In my mind Fedora is a top 15 coach. Easily a top 20. You guys disagree. But Hark doesn’t even think he’s a good coach. It’s pointless trying to argue as none of us will move an inch it appears.
I'll be happy to move an inch once Fed does things a top 15 coach normally does. Like being ranked most seasons, multiple above average seasons, win multiple bowl games. You know, things like that. Right now he's not even one of the best coaches in the division. Saying he is top 15 is comical and makes it hard to take anything you say seriously.

IMHO, the O-Line being inferior isn't new to this season. And keep in mind, we don't necessarily face elite pass rushers week in and week out. The two best DLmen in the ACC both play for Clemson, and we avoid them 5 out of every 6 years. Settle is pretty good, though, at VT and y'all saw how much he dominated our OL.

My point being, if we played Clemson every year and if we had a permanent SEC rival like GT, Clemson, FSU do, our offensive line would look even worse! The SEC is down overall, but they're still strong in the defensive trenches.

To me, the OL play just is not cutting it. And I don't think it's as simple as saying "spread offense linemen are more finesse." It's time for a change at OL coach. Kap has been with Fedora for forever though, so I'm interested to see if it happens.
I don't disagree with any of that, but it's hard for me to imagine Fed getting rid of Kap. Like you said, he's been with him forever.
 
It's only year 2 and I already dislike Justin Fuente more than I disliked Frank Beamer. And that's saying a lot. To the winners, go the spoils, blah blah. But there is zero excuse for this Tweet:



Or this one:



Or this "Dominate their state" campaign in general that they won't shut up about:



Or Fuente's general acting like an ass toward UNC. Karma comes back around. This Mickey Mouse BS Fuente does and has his program do (the pumping up the away student section after each touchback they kick) will come back to bite him in a big way. Mark my words.

Like I said, to the winners go the spoils, fine. But have some class.
 
It's only year 2 and I already dislike Justin Fuente more than I disliked Frank Beamer. And that's saying a lot. To the winners, go the spoils, blah blah. But there is zero excuse for this Tweet:



Or this one:



Or this "Dominate their state" campaign in general that they won't shut up about:



Or Fuente's general acting like an ass toward UNC. Karma comes back around. This Mickey Mouse BS Fuente does and has his program do (the pumping up the away student section after each touchback they kick) will come back to bite him in a big way. Mark my words.

Like I said, to the winners go the spoils, fine. But have some class.
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It's only year 2 and I already dislike Justin Fuente more than I disliked Frank Beamer. And that's saying a lot. To the winners, go the spoils, blah blah. But there is zero excuse for this Tweet:



Or this one:



Or this "Dominate their state" campaign in general that they won't shut up about:



Or Fuente's general acting like an ass toward UNC. Karma comes back around. This Mickey Mouse BS Fuente does and has his program do (the pumping up the away student section after each touchback they kick) will come back to bite him in a big way. Mark my words.

Like I said, to the winners go the spoils, fine. But have some class.
Doesn't really bother me. VT isn't the only school that has a twitter account that throws some shade.
 
I couldn’t believe the comment from the commissioner of the fan police on raidar.
Right? The hypocrisy from so many on this board (and in our fanbase in general) is amazing.

One example: What do we always see on the basketball board? We see a huge resistance about ever singling out a specific player's bad play. It's an absolute no-no to ever point out Player X played terrible and cost us the game....even if it's true. But those same folks that are so against that, will come on to the football board and cuss out individual players, coaches, the fans, everything under the sun.

I hate the arrogance so many of our fans have that as long as basketball is doing well, everything is hunky dory. Sorry... I like ALL Carolina sports. When it's basketball season, I'll care about basketball. Right now, it's football season.
 
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