Seeing the delusional cult members sentenced to years in prison for their TDS fueled coup attempt is hilarious.
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Then you must be one of the two happiest posters on this board.
Since when are you once again one of Trump's crotch remoras? I though we had this discussion about a month or so ago and you denied all charges.
Can you imagine had the crowd acted like the BLM protestors? It'd have to go from mere insurgency, sedition, etc,.....to full blown WWIII and genocide or something.
I mean, what words could be used to describe obviously much more violent and illegal behavior?
Peaceful protests maybe?
" “But I’ll tell you this, when we get in charge, we’re gonna change the rules and you will have to divulge where you get your royalties from, from what companies and if anybody on the committee has a conflict of interest, we are going to learn about it. I promise you that,” Paul added."
Look forward to the day we learn how much these crooks have been making off of killing people.
Look forward to the day we learn how much these crooks have been making off of killing people.
You see, this is direct evidence of your bliss. Whether you intentionally ignore things or are not capable of understanding them is open for debate. I specifically acknowledged orangeman's role in J6 in my post above. Reading is fundamental.
We've been through this concept before, but apparently it didn't process or stick for you. There are more categories of people out there than that defined by the media. It's not just "Trump crotch remoras" and everyone else.
Grow a little.
I actually ran into him the other day. He said he has your $100 waiting for you- all you have to do is tell him where to meet so he can give it to you.
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...itol-security-not-only-pelosis-responsibilit/
- Capitol security is not solely the responsibility of the House speaker. It is provided by the sergeants-at-arms of the House and Senate, and by the Capitol Police.
- The House sergeant-at-arms reports to the House speaker, or Pelosi at the time of the attack. The Senate sergeant-at-arms reports to the Senate majority leader — on Jan. 6, Sen. Mitch McConnell.
- News reports indicate that in the days before the attack, House sergeant-at-arms Paul Irving resisted calls from the Capitol Police to bring in the National Guard for extra security at the Capitol because of “optics.” Irving later testified that intelligence reports didn’t show the need for the extra security, not that he rejected it because of optics.
I don't remember word for word what was said in that previous conversation. Like I said, it occurred a month or so ago and memorizing written conversations, especially with or among those who are in deep denial, is not foremost on my priority list. I suppose I could go back and locate the conversation but I really don't care what was said, to be honest.
I acknowledge that you concede thatTrump played a role that day but you followed it with Hannity's lie about Trump's offer to bring in 20,000 National Guardsmen. True ignorance springs from believing such lies, especially when they come from the mouth of someone like Sean Hannity.
Is Facebook guilty of trying to protect their own crimes with respect to the 2020 election?
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“It was done outside the legal process and without probable cause,” alleged one of the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
“Facebook provides the FBI with private conversations which are protected by the First Amendment without any subpoena.”
These private messages then have been farmed out as “leads” to FBI field offices around the country, which subsequently requested subpoenas from the partner US Attorney’s Office in their district to officially obtain the private conversations that Facebook already had shown them.
But when the targeted Facebook users were investigated by agents in a local FBI field office, sometimes using covert surveillance techniques, nothing criminal or violent turned up.
“It was a waste of our time,” said one source familiar with subpoena requests lodged during a 19-month frenzy by FBI headquarters in Washington, DC, to produce the caseload to match the Biden administration’s rhetoric on domestic terrorism after the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot."
nypost.com
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“It was done outside the legal process and without probable cause,” alleged one of the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
“Facebook provides the FBI with private conversations which are protected by the First Amendment without any subpoena.”
These private messages then have been farmed out as “leads” to FBI field offices around the country, which subsequently requested subpoenas from the partner US Attorney’s Office in their district to officially obtain the private conversations that Facebook already had shown them.
But when the targeted Facebook users were investigated by agents in a local FBI field office, sometimes using covert surveillance techniques, nothing criminal or violent turned up.
“It was a waste of our time,” said one source familiar with subpoena requests lodged during a 19-month frenzy by FBI headquarters in Washington, DC, to produce the caseload to match the Biden administration’s rhetoric on domestic terrorism after the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot."
Facebook spied on private messages of Americans who questioned 2020 election
Facebook has been spying on the private messages and data of American users and reporting them to the FBI if they express anti-government or anti-authority sentiments — or question the 2020 electio…
nypost.com
Now do the Senate sergeants-at-arms since they both have the job of security at the caphttps://www.politifact.com/factchec...itol-security-not-only-pelosis-responsibilit/
So, the guy responsible who has to get his OK's from Pelosi is worried about optics? But then he denies it later, claiming that intelligence reports didn't show the need for increased security. WHAT? Have they disclosed the location of the cave he must have been hibernating in? Let's connect a few dots here, or let them connect themselves they're so obvious, and we can conclude that...
- Capitol security is not solely the responsibility of the House speaker. It is provided by the sergeants-at-arms of the House and Senate, and by the Capitol Police.
- The House sergeant-at-arms reports to the House speaker, or Pelosi at the time of the attack. The Senate sergeant-at-arms reports to the Senate majority leader — on Jan. 6, Sen. Mitch McConnell.
- News reports indicate that in the days before the attack, House sergeant-at-arms Paul Irving resisted calls from the Capitol Police to bring in the National Guard for extra security at the Capitol because of “optics.” Irving later testified that intelligence reports didn’t show the need for the extra security, not that he rejected it because of optics.
nice strawman, so typical of you. I lump strawmen in with other forms of dishonesty, including outright lies.
Where did @pooponduke say he believes this letter diminishes the actions of the protesters? As a matter of fact, he says this doesn't absolve Trump. All he's saying is that this letter indicates there should have been a call for more security, which places much of the blame for what occurred on those who failed to provide it.
If hurricane Dougie is projected to hit our shores at a certain time and at a certain location, and authorities don't make plans to evacuate and otherwise take steps to protect citizens and property, when someone calls them out are you going say 'yeah, well how does that absolve the hurricane?' I think you definitely would if it was hurricane Donald.
Of course you'll probably double down and point out that a hurricane isn't a group of 'insurrectionists', ignoring the fact that they are both the same in that each represents a known threat to security that wasn't properly acted on. Your comment is asinine and as I said, typical of you.
I'm afraid you'll have to take that up with the people I quoted, Politifacts. When you are able to acquire a rundown of what happened on that side of things, please provide it for us. This post subject happens to be what happened on the Pelosi side of things, since that's what is being discussed here.
I read some time back that the Speaker of the House is who takes the lead in this department but I am not going to spend any time looking for proof of that because as I say, we are discussing dem culpability here. You on the other hand are welcome to. I'm confident that if you find verification of this, you'll post it.
Nowhere above do you mention the impetus for the rally or the impetus for the organization of the proud boys and oath keepers who led and triggered much of the physical attack on the Cap.
- The Big Lie was promoted by Trump, Fox, many house reps and senators. Trump had all the hard evidence fro in the world, from his own advisors, Barr, family members etc, etc, that the election wasn't stolen and that it was free and fair. The grifters & cons pushing fraud claims were never able to provide evidence of fraud to Trump.
He chose to fight that evidence and push contrary lies. He chose the public pressure campaign to overturn the election. And he also chose to push the idea of fraud even prior to the election.
- "Proud Boys, stand back and stand by"
- Plans for halting the Electoral College vote and to reverse the election were coordinated by Trump, his advisors, many other elected officials, and others, including many who sought pardons. This included legal plans and led to tactical plans (by the "milita" orgs like proud boys & oathkeepers)
Many members of the GOP, including Trump, are responsible for the incitement of that riot and their desire was a reversal of the election (coup). Even if a single pane of glass wasn't broken and a single cop wasn't hurt because of beefed-up security the attack would still have been an attack.
Let's say Fort Knox has slack security. Let's say a burglar stole gold. Would you have one investigation, hearing, trial for both, or would these be treated as distinct, separate matters?
Quit conflating the two. There was a riot incited by maga which could've been an attack on ANY building or place in America.
Stuart Rhodes is on trial for seditious conspiracy. He had concrete plans for that day and they didn't come to him in a dream. Guess what, Pelosi and Shumer and seargent-at-arms are not being called as witnesses by Rhodes' defense, their names aren't going to be "whatabouted" as judge & jury review the case.
Now you're comparing hurricanes -- of which over 300 have struck the US mainland in the past 170 years -- to the attack on the US Capitol which was totally unprecedented? Talk about asinine.
Nowadays, meteorologists can study an approaching hurricane and pretty accurately pinpoint the area of landfall, the wind speed, the barometric pressure, the timing of landfall which along with the incoming or outgoing tide -- while also considering the lunar position (called spring and neap tides) -- they can even predict the wave height and storm surge.
When you have only a general idea of the number of Trump supporters gathering at The Ellipse for a one-day rally, I imagine it was a lot more difficult, nay, impossible to predict everything that happened that day.
Your comparison is weak, null, and void.
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Because you're embellishing the truth and you know it doesn't exist, you stupid blowhard.
Remember when he claimed antifa were the ones storming the capitol? Good times
“You’re not breaking the rules so we’re gonna change the rules!”" “But I’ll tell you this, when we get in charge, we’re gonna change the rules and you will have to divulge where you get your royalties from, from what companies and if anybody on the committee has a conflict of interest, we are going to learn about it. I promise you that,” Paul added."
Look forward to the day we learn how much these crooks have been making off of killing people.
Lol. What a pusssy
Except the video was concerning fauci discussing the flu back in 2008. Have you no shame?
You worried they’ve seen your dick pic swapping on Grindr?Is Facebook guilty of trying to protect their own crimes with respect to the 2020 election?
"
“It was done outside the legal process and without probable cause,” alleged one of the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity.
“Facebook provides the FBI with private conversations which are protected by the First Amendment without any subpoena.”
These private messages then have been farmed out as “leads” to FBI field offices around the country, which subsequently requested subpoenas from the partner US Attorney’s Office in their district to officially obtain the private conversations that Facebook already had shown them.
But when the targeted Facebook users were investigated by agents in a local FBI field office, sometimes using covert surveillance techniques, nothing criminal or violent turned up.
“It was a waste of our time,” said one source familiar with subpoena requests lodged during a 19-month frenzy by FBI headquarters in Washington, DC, to produce the caseload to match the Biden administration’s rhetoric on domestic terrorism after the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol riot."
Facebook spied on private messages of Americans who questioned 2020 election
Facebook has been spying on the private messages and data of American users and reporting them to the FBI if they express anti-government or anti-authority sentiments — or question the 2020 electio…
The words I use are “dum fuk red neck mouth breathing rioters duped by a fpos into thinking the election was stolen”. Judge yourself accordingly
What’s his prob? Can’t figure out cash app? Pay pal? Venmo? Zelle? The US mail? Must be one dumb mother fukker. Unless of course this is a pathetic attempt to make some sort of threat based on being owned on social media. Surely he’s not that big of a loser. Right? RIGHT?
I would say that you are better than this, but you get so tied up in the talking points and rhetoric that what I'll say is that you are smarter than this (if you are being honest with yourself and other posters). Unlike a few others that only seem to sling personal insults and incorrectly summarized dreams, you actually try to back things up even if they are slanted or skewed to your perspective.
Yes, the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers (and whatever other idiots beyond the pale exist out there) supported Trump. Like all of us given two shitty choices, they picked the one that better fit their views from their perspective - they surely weren't gonna pick Joe. Despite constantly being labeled as such, it doesn't make them representative of "Trump Supporters" and it doesn't mean that Trump supports what they stand for. Will he take their votes? Of course, and so would Joe, but that doesn't mean he agrees with them.
When you guys find the smoking gun showing that orange coordinated with the Proud Boys and others to actually create J6, I'll be here listening. Last reports I've scene, the FBI specifically said there is nothing to support that narrative. Was he a jackass about losing the election? Yep. Does that mean he stormed the Capital by proxy? Nope.
Despite orange being an ass about it, should J6 have happened at all? One wonders when you see stuff like this: Retired U.S. Army Lt. Gen. Keith Kellogg, who was serving as Vice President Mike Pence’s National Security Advisor at the time of the Jan. 6, 2021 Capitol breach tweeted this:
Say what?!?!
You make it sound like they almost had to flip a coin to decide which candidate to go with. Since when do organized groups who are only mildly partial to one candidate (the lesser of two "shitty choices" as you put it) and not fully dedicated to the cause completely commit themselves to such felonious activity as breeching the US Capitol and causing widespread property damage and injuries to those paid to protect it?
What an outrageous statement!! 🤣
What do you think all those Trump rallies were about?! What do you think the undying support among tens of thousands was all about?! What do you think the subtle endorsements by Trump to those groups were all about?! Man, are you naive!!
So where were the National Guardsmen when the proverbial shit was hitting the fan? Hiding out back a'la Uvalde-style until the dust settled?
I knew you would take the stupid way out, I even said you would and how you would do it, and I'll be damned, you did it. What a surprise.
So instead of recognizing the similarities I pointed out, you delve into the irrelevant differences just as I knew your dishonest, lying ass would.
Dealt with honestly, my analogy is completely valid.
prove it, dipshit. Or just lie your ass off as usual.
The similarities you pointed out?
How is a fictitious hurricane named "Dougie" which NOAA and the National Weather Service as well as local authorities inexplicably disregard similar to a singular and unparalleled event like the assault on the Capitol which actually occurred?!
You are living in a fantasy world, blue, and you call me dishonest?! Honesty is obviously your kryptonite.
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WTF are you even talking about? That a riot occurred and that rioters are responsible for having rioted isn't even a question and never has been. I'm hardly conflating that with anything here because that isn't relevant to or part of the present discussion.
The subject that has arisen here is the separate consideration of whether security was inadequately handled in spite of warnings that extra security was needed, and whether the dems purposely failed in that respect in order to create yet another point of attack on Trump to focus on. The republican side of things had no such motive, save some anti-Trumpers maybe. But that isn't the side of things being discussed.
I don't give a shit if investigations are broken into fractions or if no investigations take place at all. I was simply addressing the meat of the matter, with a link to Politifacts, that there seems to be a direct connection to Pelosi and the
If you want to do the same for the other side of the situation, by all means please do so as I've already suggested. And if you want me to, I'll indicate who's obviously and purposely doing the actual conflating here. (hint: it's you).
Also, your last sentence makes no sense. Actually, your entire post makes no sense.
from my previous post that you replied to...
"Of course you'll probably double down and point out that a hurricane isn't a group of 'insurrectionists', ignoring the fact that they are both the same in that each represents a known threat to security that wasn't properly acted on. "
I guess reading comprehension isn't your thing. We all know what your thing is though.
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