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[bluetoe]

Only to pathetic MAGAtards like yourself.

It's uncanny the level of hypocrisy taking place here. You and your fellow MAGAtards used to forgive Trump for his miscues and indiscretions all the time. Now, President Biden -- who, by the way, has no say in making out his security detail schedule -- arrives late and you losers act like he did something unforgivable like steal and then lose top secret documents.

just for clarity, we used to forgive Trump for all the erroneously charged miscues and indiscretions made up by the leftists, as well as a whole host of baseless insinuations. I honestly can't think of an actual miscue or indiscretion he committed, other than his futile attempts to contest the election. I've stated clearly that this was just wrongheaded, while sympathizing with his frustration.

The entire truth of the top secret docs has yet to be revealed since the timing has to be just right for dem political purposes, but I wouldn't be surprised if this ongoing episode is worked for all the insinuation and innuendo that can be harvested from it just to end up being as baseless as all the other accusations made by the lying lefties..

That's the dem way. If you can't demonstrate impropriety, do the next best thing and simply insinuate it.

 

[bluetoe]

That's right, MAGAtards, since I pointed out the obvious that the U.S. President, especially when traveling abroad, has little say in motorcade details which is the responsibility of the Secret Service, resort to Plan B which is mumbling aloud other pointless insults.

truth be told, I think no one bothered to point out the typical idiocy of your post. Of course the SS responds to the President's requirements. To lay the president's misplayed responsibilities at the feet of the secret service is as lame as it gets.

 

[bluetoe]

what·a·bout·ism

NOUN
BRITISH

1. the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counteraccusation or raising a different issue. Also called whataboutery:

I'm going to make @Heels Noir happy and start saying 'whataboutery'. It sounds so British.

 

[bluetoe]

too good not to share, but there's a glaring miscue here..... @carolinablue34 said that thousands of illegals, er, asylum-seekers were shipped to Martha's Vineyard. but these guys only allude to a total of fifty. Such irresponsibly bad reporting.

On the other hand, Hillary appears farther into the vid and her face looks more punchable than ever. Thanks for reminding how much we hate her.



and then this is too good to pass up

 

[Heels Noir]

Hillary appears farther into the vid and her face looks more punchable than ever.

Normally, people frown upon a man punching a woman in the face but I guess in this case we're looking at a level playing field.

 

[carolinablue34]

No. You said they were deists, which would mean they only believe in a higher power but that the higher power doesn't intervene in human affairs. And the quotes I provided suggest that you're wrong. Several of those quotes state a firm belief in the Christian doctrines. That's not deism.

Furthermore, several of those quotes indicate that the American government was based largely on Christian beliefs.

Take a lap.

Many of them were Deists. I don’t know the specific number I was just spitballing. It was more than a few. Thomas Jefferson included.

Second, the Founders grew up during the Age of the Enlightenment, a time where people were working against religious extremism. Reason was the order of the day. Not purely conservative Christian principles by your standards. I hardly think they wanted our new government to be “Christian” in its application.

Once again twisting the past to serve your contemporary argument. Just another day for you.

 

[carolinablue34]

too good not to share, but there's a glaring miscue here..... @carolinablue34 said that thousands of illegals, er, asylum-seekers were shipped to Martha's Vineyard. but these guys only allude to a total of fifty. Such irresponsibly bad reporting.

On the other hand, Hillary appears farther into the vid and her face looks more punchable than ever. Thanks for reminding how much we hate her.

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and then this is too good to pass up

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You’re correct. It’s 50 to Martha’s Vineyard. I was speaking nationally the amount Abbott and DeSantis have sent.

 

[strummingram]

Many of them were Deists. I don’t know the specific number I was just spitballing. It was more than a few. Thomas Jefferson included.

Second, the Founders grew up during the Age of the Enlightenment, a time where people were working against religious extremism. Reason was the order of the day. Not purely conservative Christian principles by your standards. I hardly think they wanted our new government to be “Christian” in its application.

Once again twisting the past to serve your contemporary past. Just another day for you.

Don't forget that Scriptural "interpretation" and the church (protestant and Catholic) also change with the tides. God must have intended for that to be the case. She changes, we change!

I'm sure there are still folks in Purgatory having their sins burned-away for eating meat on Friday because they died before Vatican II came along.

And, for practically ANY issue, you can probably extrapolate two totally contradicting views if you use the Bible as a guide.

 

[prlyles]

No, this is me telling you you’re an idiot for pretending there is some macabre value on seating at a funeral.

“Damn it, Jill, I can’t see the casket from the 14th row as well as I might have from the 10th row.”

You’re a hoot, poopslinger!

I only wish that people would have to dig that deep to find things to put Trump down. The man is a fool and thank God he wasn’t allowed to attend the funeral.

 

[uncboy10]

I honestly can't think of an actual miscue or indiscretion he committed, other than his futile attempts to contest the election.

Not even one? Lol 😂

 

[UNC '92]

You’re getting close big boy….

I'm all up in it. Ask around.

 

[bluetoe]

Not even one? Lol 😂

no, not even one. Help me out.

 

[uncboy10]

no, not even one. Help me out.

Insulting the family of a gold star veteran would seem to at least qualify as a “miscue.”

 

[prlyles]

I'm all up in it. Ask around.

Lol….

 

[chickenhunter]

What are you saying? Let me tell you something. If you ever come around me or my family, I will shoot your redneck, white trash ass.

oohhh....communicating threats. That's a crime but I'm sure you don't follow the law anyway. You don't expect illegal immigrants to follow the law so why should you, amirite? Yes, I am.

If I were Blue, I'd call your bluff on the shooting. I don't think you have the guts or the balls to do it. Plus, you cant just shoot someone because they come around you. IIRC, you were one of the biggest criers on the board when Mark and Patricia McCloskey were defending their home with guns.

 

[randman1]

See the post by @dadika13

It’s not that the Founders didn’t think Christianity was important or that they didn’t believe in it. They just didn’t want it to be the deciding factor in government. They didn’t want it to be an oppressive force, which too many have in this country.

The religious right in this country is one chromosome away from being the Christian theocratic equivalent of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.

Since when have you any basic understanding of the founding of the nation and what the founders believed?

They were not banning Christianity from government or any similar such thing. They were simply saying government cannot favor one church over another, and part of that had to do with some states like Massachusetts having an official state church which they had long after the Constitution was ratified, including requiring all office holders to be Christians.

But you likely did not know that.

Other states had different takes, and so to avoid fighting over which church was best, they passed (after their first attempt at a national government failed), the Bill of Rights and Constitution which forbade government from limiting religious expression completely and also forbade them from making laws establishing one official church (religion).

That's been extended to all religions but frankly most Americans and founders were thinking of churches.

 

[UNC '92]

oohhh....communicating threats. That's a crime but I'm sure you don't follow the law anyway. You don't expect illegal immigrants to follow the law so why should you, amirite? Yes, I am.

If I were Blue, I'd call your bluff on the shooting. I don't think you have the guts or the balls to do it. Plus, you cant just shoot someone because they come around you. IIRC, you were one of the biggest criers on the board when Mark and Patricia McCloskey were defending their home with guns.

It's hardly a threat when the person communicating it is the biggest pussy here. Id have him scraping his dentures and jaw bone off the butt of any weapon he points at me.

 

[uncfootball-]

Migrants sue Florida governor over Martha's Vineyard flights

Venezuelan migrants flown to the upscale Massachusetts island of Martha's Vineyard sued Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and his transportation secretary Tuesday for engaging in a “fraudulent and discriminatory scheme” to relocate them. The lawsuit, filed in federal court in Boston, alleges that the...

www.yahoo.com

This is getting just a tad ridiculous.

 

[carolinablue34]

Since when have you any basic understanding of the founding of the nation and what the founders believed?

They were not banning Christianity from government or any similar such thing. They were simply saying government cannot favor one church over another, and part of that had to do with some states like Massachusetts having an official state church which they had long after the Constitution was ratified, including requiring all office holders to be Christians.

But you likely did not know that.

Other states had different takes, and so to avoid fighting over which church was best, they passed (after their first attempt at a national government failed), the Bill of Rights and Constitution which forbade government from limiting religious expression completely and also forbade them from making laws establishing one official church (religion).

That's been extended to all religions but frankly most Americans and founders were thinking of churches.

I majored in history you psychopathic freak.

I’m well aware the Founders did not want an official state church. I’m also quite aware that the Founders did not want a quasi religious state the way you think it should be. Christianity was and is a part of our country but “freedom of religious expression” is often a buzz phrase used by people of your ilk to inject conservative Christian theology into every sector of public life.

Religious freedom does not entail blocking someone from getting married to whoever they went, have relations with whoever they went, access to contraception, the enabling of teaching creationism in public schools, etc.

Religion can be used to justify damn near anything. For Christ’s sake, white southerners used religion to insinuate black people were racially inferior. And that is why, to a large extent, it does not belong in every day government decision making.

 

[gunslingerdick]

The man is a fool and thank God he wasn’t allowed to attend the funeral.

I think he’s free next week so I’m gonna invite him to yours.

 

[strummingram]

I majored in history you psychopathic freak.

I’m well aware the Founders did not want an official state church. I’m also quite aware that the Founders did not want a quasi religious state the way you think it should be. Christianity was and is a part of our country but “freedom of religious expression” is often a buzz phrase used by people of your ilk to inject conservative Christian theology into every sector of public life.

Religious freedom does not entail blocking someone from getting married to whoever they went, have relations with whoever they went, access to contraception, the enabling of teaching creationism in public schools, etc.

Religion can be used to justify damn near anything. For Christ’s sake, white southerners used religion to insinuate black people were racially inferior. And that is why, to a large extent, it does not belong in every day government decision making.

If Christians actually behaved liked Jesus Christ, instead of just being the product of institutionalized churches and organized religions that were created to exploit him, I might get on-board with it.

 

[Heels Noir]

If Christians actually behaved liked Jesus Christ, instead of just being the product of institutionalized churches and organized religions that were created to exploit him, I might get on-board with it.

Jesus was a liberal, you know.

 

[uncfootball-]

 

[heelmanwilm]

I’ve certainly noticed that.

Well it’s certain this site reflects that. The more religious the poaster the more kind and loving their poasts are (cough)

 

[bluetoe]

Insulting the family of a gold star veteran would seem to at least qualify as a “miscue.”

perfect example, thanks. You of course are referring to the article in the Atlantic, that bastion of neutral, unbiased journalism that has shown no animosity at all toward Trump. Right.

Try these on for size as examples of why you can't trust anything that comes from leftist media or leftist politicians....

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/18/politics/gold-star-families-trump-cnntv

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/biden-misquotes-trump-on-gold-star-families/

read the first one to the end, and you'll see the rest of the story. I wouldn't say that Trump miscued, I would say he reacted honestly which is why I prefer him, or someone like him, over lying lefties.

ETA, I'll go ahead and quote...

" During the 2016 presidential election, Trump made headlines for repeatedly insulting two Gold Star parents, Khizr and Ghazala Khan, who publicly supported his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton.

At the time, Trump tweeted, “I was viciously attacked by Mr. Khan at the Democratic Convention. Am I not allowed to respond?” "

When a politician acts non-politically, it's a good thing to those who decry politicians and politics....unless you don't like the politician, in which case acting non-politically is an opportunity to trash his character. The hypocrisy is the problem driving us apart.

 

[uncboy10]

perfect example, thanks. You of course are referring to the article in the Atlantic, that bastion of neutral, unbiased journalism that has shown no animosity at all toward Trump. Right.

Try these on for size as examples of why you can't trust anything that comes from leftist media or leftist politicians....

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/18/politics/gold-star-families-trump-cnntv

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/biden-misquotes-trump-on-gold-star-families/

read the first one to the end, and you'll see the rest of the story. I wouldn't say that Trump miscued, I would say he reacted honestly which is why I prefer him, or someone like him, over lying lefties.

ETA, I'll go ahead and quote...

" During the 2016 presidential election, Trump made headlines for repeatedly insulting two Gold Star parents, Khizr and Ghazala Khan, who publicly supported his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton.

At the time, Trump tweeted, “I was viciously attacked by Mr. Khan at the Democratic Convention. Am I not allowed to respond?” "

When a politician acts non-politically, it's a good thing to those who decry politicians and politics....unless you don't like the politician, in which case acting non-politically is an opportunity to trash his character. The hypocrisy is the problem driving us apart.

TL;DR

No but seriously, you’re right. Only the most deluded, partisan, Democrat extremists would suggest that Trump committed even a single miscue during his administration. He was a textbook example of what every president should aspire to be.

 

[pooponduke]

TL;DR

No but seriously, you’re right. Only the most deluded, partisan, Democrat extremists would suggest that Trump committed even a single miscue during his administration. He was a textbook example of what every president should aspire to be.

Of course he committed miscues as everyone does. And, he was never "presidential" in his behavior. Heck, there are those that think even the use of twitter is unpresidential (but that's part of his appeal to many). And it helps when they hate the guy from the very beginning as he is a R and he defeated the world's smartest woman. A woman who should have been the first female president after we had just had the first African American president. However, the concern shouldn't ever be about personal characteristics, but rather policies.

The interesting part of this exchange between you and @bluetoe to me is that, as requested, you gave him an example of a miscue. And, it turns out that the example was factually incorrect (or at least not the whole story), but it did demonstrate an alleged "miscue" where the media and pontificators had wrongly accused orangeman. Was that intentional on your part?

 

[uncboy10]

Of course he committed miscues as everyone does. And, he was never "presidential" in his behavior. Heck, there are those that think even the use of twitter is unpresidential (but that's part of his appeal to many). And it helps when they hate the guy from the very beginning as he is a R and he defeated the world's smartest woman. A woman who should have been the first female president after we had just had the first African American president. However, the concern shouldn't ever be about personal characteristics, but rather policies.

The interesting part of this exchange between you and @bluetoe to me is that, as requested, you gave him an example of a miscue. And, it turns out that the example was factually incorrect (or at least not the whole story), but it did demonstrate an alleged "miscue" where the media and pontificators had wrongly accused orangeman. Was that intentional on your part?

Well maybe you can help bluetoe think of a miscue that he will consider legitimate. But it’s more likely that he will just write you an essay about how it was actually just the liberal media falling victim to “TDS.”

If you want the full story, those families originally went after him because he was quoted as calling fallen soldiers “losers and suckers.” He then insulted them further and suggested they were responsible for giving him covid during a White House visit

We can play the spin game all we want. But as commander in chief there is never an acceptable time or reason for deriding the families of veterans, much less ones that were killed in combat. I don’t care if they went on a national tour attacking him. The POTUS should take the high road and thank them for their sacrifice and move on.

 

[nctransplant]

Kamala Harris mocked for new word salad: 'Community banks are in the community'

Kamala Harris was mocked by a variety of Twitter users in the latest example of the vice president giving an incoherent speech many on the internet found humorous.

www.foxnews.com

Greatest VP ever. Move over Dan Quayle.

 

[uncfootball-]

too good not to share, but there's a glaring miscue here..... @carolinablue34 said that thousands of illegals, er, asylum-seekers were shipped to Martha's Vineyard. but these guys only allude to a total of fifty. Such irresponsibly bad reporting.

On the other hand, Hillary appears farther into the vid and her face looks more punchable than ever. Thanks for reminding how much we hate her.

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and then this is too good to pass up

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It's funny that after a few months Gutfeld has the highest rated late night show. Didn't take long to beat out those 3 liberal gas bags on abc/cbs/nbc who have been at it for many years.

 

[nctransplant]

It's funny that after a few months Gutfeld has the highest rated late night show. Didn't take long to beat out those 3 liberal gas bags on abc/cbs/nbc who have been at it for many years.

Gutfeld's show is pretty funny. Tyrus is the man.

 

[bluetoe]

Well maybe you can help bluetoe think of a miscue that he will consider legitimate. But it’s more likely that he will just write you an essay about how it was actually just the liberal media falling victim to “TDS.”

If you want the full story, those families originally went after him because he was quoted as calling fallen soldiers “losers and suckers.” He then insulted them further and suggested they were responsible for giving him covid during a White House visit

We can play the spin game all we want. But as commander in chief there is never an acceptable time or reason for deriding the families of veterans, much less ones that were killed in combat. I don’t care if they went on a national tour attacking him. The POTUS should take the high road and thank them for their sacrifice and move on.

and you are why the leftist media keeps feeding you what you want to hear...because you refuse to hear what you don't want to hear.. Instead of honestly addressing what I presented, you just turn a blind eye to it as if it isn't there.

The bulk of what Trump has been accused of has either been distorted or merely insinuated or just plain lied about, with no proof, and scant evidence. The man is just a guy like you and me except he was in a fairly more responsible position, and that has tremendous appeal to many of us. I admired Jimmy Carter for the same reason, even though his politics were at odds with mine, and you'll find me defending him many times against his detractors. Criticizing someone in that position is what should happen. Constantly distorting and insinuating and purposely creating a false negative image of someone trying to do what we elected him to do is what should NOT happen.

The media plays to people like you because they know you'll just eat up the slander and ignore the facts (when and if you can find them).

So back to the gold star parents. I presented evidence to substantiate my position. Can you do the same? And I don't mean the run of the mill insinuation-repeating character assassination articles, I mean something factual that shows that what you said happened may actually have happened.

To be honest, I tossed the preposterous notion that Trump had committed no miscues out there because I figured that would be the stinky bait that the liberal Trump-hating carp could not resist. Well, I caught one, and I think I fairly demonstrated what I set out to. The great majority of what has been set against Trump has been based on bullshit.

 

[dadika13]

This is you admitting that he wasn’t respected enough to have better than 14th row seating. I got you.

Who gives a shit?


...would be your response if this was a Republican.

 

[randman1]

I majored in history you psychopathic freak.

I’m well aware the Founders did not want an official state church. I’m also quite aware that the Founders did not want a quasi religious state the way you think it should be. Christianity was and is a part of our country but “freedom of religious expression” is often a buzz phrase used by people of your ilk to inject conservative Christian theology into every sector of public life.

Religious freedom does not entail blocking someone from getting married to whoever they went, have relations with whoever they went, access to contraception, the enabling of teaching creationism in public schools, etc.

Religion can be used to justify damn near anything. For Christ’s sake, white southerners used religion to insinuate black people were racially inferior. And that is why, to a large extent, it does not belong in every day government decision making.

Why then did they open every Congress with official prayer and have minister there to do it?

I don't know what area of history you studied but seriously doubt it was related to the founding of this nation and the Constitution because you are woefully off-base and misinformed.

 

[randman1]

"Vanderbilt got into the gender transition game admittedly in large part because it is very financially profitable. They then threatened any staff members who objected, and enlisted a gang of trans activists to act as surveillance in order to force compliance.
They now castrate, sterilize, and mutilate minors as well as adults, while apparently taking steps to hide this activity from the public view.

This is what "health care" has become in modern America"

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[randman1]

I majored in history you psychopathic freak.

I’m well aware the Founders did not want an official state church. I’m also quite aware that the Founders did not want a quasi religious state the way you think it should be. Christianity was and is a part of our country but “freedom of religious expression” is often a buzz phrase used by people of your ilk to inject conservative Christian theology into every sector of public life.

Religious freedom does not entail blocking someone from getting married to whoever they went, have relations with whoever they went, access to contraception, the enabling of teaching creationism in public schools, etc.

Religion can be used to justify damn near anything. For Christ’s sake, white southerners used religion to insinuate black people were racially inferior. And that is why, to a large extent, it does not belong in every day government decision making.

Btw, I would wager most people think a guy that wants to cut his balls off and pretend to be a woman is mentally ill.

You seem to suffer from that as well and yet hurl insults at me and others as if most people and normal people are the ones messed up.

Psychopathic? Really?

 

[uncfootball-]

Btw, I would wager most people think a guy that wants to cut his balls off and pretend to be a woman is mentally ill.

You seem to suffer from that as well and yet hurl insults at me and others as if most people and normal people are the ones messed up.

Psychopathic? Really?

Based on his posts it appears that CB34 is turned on by guys that dress like women.

 

[randman1]

Jesus was a liberal, you know.

That is one of the dumber misconceptions of Jesus bandied about it.

For one thing, liberalism or progressivism aims to grow the State and State regulation and control over the people and their lives. Jesus was more like the tea partiers and MAGA people in his denunciation of the Deep State of his era.

He also taught marriage was between one man and one woman.
He adhered to a strict holiness in lifestyle although some may misunderstand holiness.

He seemed pretty negative towards paying taxes and said it wasn't a moral responsibility but just to keep them happy, told Peter to go find a fish and there would be a gold coin in his mouth. So yeah, he did a miracle to pay the tax but not because he believed he owed it.

 

[bluetoe]

Why then did they open every Congress with official prayer and have minister there to do it?

I don't know what area of history you studied but seriously doubt it was related to the founding of this nation and the Constitution because you are woefully off-base and misinformed.

it must not have been related to ancient history either because Rome (and Greece, IIRC) was cited by him as an example of a great civilization tolerating homosexual behavior. He must not have learned about the fact that their civilization (and that of Greece) was built on the backs of slaves and that they fairly ruthlessly imposed their will on their neighbors just to establish an expanding dominance. Crucifixions, people fed to wild animals for public amusement, vomitoriums, etc, etc. I'm not sure a historian would have chosen Rome as a civ to emulate.

 

[carolinablue34]

The great majority of what has been set against Trump has been based on bullshit.

you’re not going to agree with this obviously, but I think it’s the reverse. There were times lefties and democrats clutched their pearls and it got old. But the majority of the hate and vitriol Trump receives is brought upon himself. Especially when he uses said vitriol as the basis of his politics on a daily basis.