OOTB's Political Thread . ..

[randman1]

Believing in celestial monarchies is your business. If it makes sense to you, that's fine. Stay out of secular government, please. Democratizing societies isn't something that aligns with ancient religions that promote and insist upon celestial Kings that reward and punish based on the church's disposition of what they BELIEVE the King in the Sky is thinking, or wants, or commands.

If you think that the framers of the original American government were fervent, obedient Christians... well, you're just wrong. They were influenced by people like Francis Bacon and John Locke. The Enlightenment period was not a "religious" experience, it was quite the opposite. There may have been religious tolerance, but it was a time when human beings were realizing they were not servants of a celestial monarch.

The Enlightenment stemmed from the Reformation and frankly was a sort of secular jonny-come-lately to the ideas of liberty that grew out of the Reformation era which were rooted in Jesus' teachings.

No Bible. No Reformation including the early Anabaptist movement, you'd then have no Enlightenment.

 

[nctransplant]

I’ve lost money on paper but if anybody was forced to sell during a downturn like this that is their fault and shows poor planning and poor investing.

This guy has annuities, listen to him.

 

[randman1]

I'm not saying, or even implying, that "Christian" teachings/values/guidance/suggestions/preferences were not present in their thinking, or their philosophies. I'm sure they were. But, being kind, treating others as you want to be treated, being fair-minded, etc., aren't exclusive to Jesus. We're taught behaviors from the time we're born. I don't think I need a King In The Sky watching me, to know that lying, stealing, cheating, murdering, and just generally "being an asshole" will probably have consequences that I probably won't like. I don't need the reward, or prize, of eternal paradise-- later on-- to entice me to do what's "right" while I'm residing in this human form.

I was exposed to theologies/religion in abundance when I was a child. I am actually quite thankful for that experience. But, I've come to understand a different existence that goes way beyond what I was taught/told as a child.

Have you noticed as society has become more secular, it's less kind. Just phony. Secularists generally don't believe in fairness anymore or treating people equally, at least as far as the law and policy.

Have you heard of the cancel movement. Religious secularists out to harm any and everyone that disagrees with them.

 

[strummingram]

The Enlightenment stemmed from the Reformation and frankly was a sort of secular jonny-come-lately to the ideas of liberty that grew out of the Reformation era which were rooted in Jesus' teachings.

No Bible. No Reformation including the early Anabaptist movement, you'd then have no Enlightenment.

I agree, it's one long process of realization.

 

[strummingram]

Have you noticed as society has become more secular, it's less kind.

No, I haven't.

ETA:
I have, however, noticed that the more politically polarized it has become, it's much less kind.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Damn straight. A huge portion of the Founders were Deists. They were not these rabid, anti intellectual, right wing Christians randman loves to think they are.

"You do well to wish to learn our arts, ways of life and above all the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you happier people than you are."

"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion, to the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."

- George Washington

"The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God."

- John Adams

"I am a Christian in the only sense in which He wished anyone to be: sincerely attached to His doctrines in preference to all others."

"I am a real Christian, that is to say a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."

- Thomas Jefferson

"I believe that there is only one living and true God, existing in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, the same in substance and equal in power and glory."

- Richard Sherman

"One of the beautiful boasts of our jurisprudence is that Christianity is a part of the Common Law. There never has been a period in which the Common Law did not recognize Christianity as lying its foundation."

- Joseph Story

Christian Quotes from the Founding Fathers

Contrary to the claims of 'free-thinkers,' atheists, agnostics and other irreligionists, America was not founded by deists, but overwhelmingly by men and women of the Christian faith and those who recognized the necessity of Christian morality in public life. Throughout the twentieth century, a...

christianheritagefellowship.com

 

[prlyles]

This guy has annuities, listen to him.

Never ownEd an annuity, ever….

 

[gunslingerdick]

OK, everybody here knows you stalk people, we have known it for years. You’re a loser who has nothing else to do. But what I said remains. You are fvcking around in places that can get you hurt. Stop it.

Lol

As if anyone would be afraid of you. You acting tough is hilarious though. I'm enjoying the show. But be careful, you do that shit to wrong guy and you'll meet your maker even sooner than we all think, which at your advanced age, is pretty soon.

 

[gunslingerdick]

So what if the Bidens were seated on the 14th row for the Queen's funeral? I doubt the arrangements were made based on any sort of favoritism.

Well, they actually are.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Have you noticed as society has become more secular, it's less kind.

No, I haven't.

I have definitely noticed that the more secular we get the less kind. I'm more secular than I was as a kid and I'm definitely less kind.

 

[uncfootball-]

Biden snubbed at the Queen's funeral.

Kind of like saying Let's Go Brandon!

Biden and Jill sit 14 rows back at the Queen's funeral

President Joe Biden and first lady Jill sat 14 rows back in Westminster Abbey, behind the president of Poland, for Queen Elizabeth's funeral on Monday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Why Biden Sat in the 14th Row Queen Elizabeth II's Funeral

President Joe Biden sat behind the president of Poland and ahead of the Czech Republic prime minister.

time.com

"Most of the time, when the President of the United States is late, people wait for him. This was not so at the funeral of the longest-serving British monarch, where international royalty and world leaders congregated by the dozens."

 

[UNC '92]

Never ownEd an annuity, ever….

I can confirm this. Phillip has no annuities.

 

[Heels Noir]

Well, they actually are [seated based on favoritism.]

You're wrong again, poopslinger. The reason the Bidens were seated where they were was due to a late arrival caused by heavy traffic on the way to Westminster Abbey.

 

[Archer2]

Have you noticed as society has become more secular, it's less kind.

I’ve certainly noticed that.

 

[Archer2]

You're wrong again, poopslinger. The reason the Bidens were seated where they were was due to a late arrival caused by heavy traffic on the way to Westminster Abbey.

Who would’ve thought that traffic might be heavy and if you’re going to make an appearance in your own limousine, you might want to leave early. His late arrival was disrespectful. Ugly Americans, no manners.

 

[uncfootball-]

Post of the day on You Tube talking about Biden at the funeral.

"At the viewing he tried to shake the Queen’s hand"

 

[bluetoe]

paraphrased by @blazers ...

"I don't believe I've seen anyone so interested in my horizons. Thanks for the interest, but don't plan on leaving anything under my MyPillow pillow."

Fify

I said I was conservative, I didn't say I was a moron. I can't take anything away from what Mike has done for himself business-wise, but as regards his pillow or his political yammerings, I ain't buying it. But pretty damn funny, I have to admit. Please show @Heels Noir how it's done.

 

[bluetoe]

Who would’ve thought that traffic might be heavy and if you’re going to make an appearance in your own limousine, you might want to leave early. His late arrival was disrespectful. Ugly Americans, no manners.

TBH, I think we should cut them a little slack here. There's no telling how long it took to round Joe up wandering around London.

 

[gunslingerdick]

You're wrong again, poopslinger. The reason the Bidens were seated where they were was due to a late arrival caused by heavy traffic on the way to Westminster Abbey.

All other world leaders rode together on buses to help with traffic issues.

Funny though that nothing has come out stating had they been on time that their seats would have been better.

Face it, no one respects that old dotard.

 

[Heels Noir]

"At the viewing he tried to shake the Queen’s hand"

There is no queen, you moron.

Funny though that nothing has come out stating had they been on time that their seats would have been better.

Better seats at a funeral? You're an idiot. It's not like ringside seats for the heavyweight championship.

 

[uncfootball-]

I would have expected Climate Change Biden to have rode to the funeral on his bicycle. Show the world he is reducing his carbon footprint.

 

[randman1]

You're wrong again, poopslinger. The reason the Bidens were seated where they were was due to a late arrival caused by heavy traffic on the way to Westminster Abbey.

Uh huh. First come, first seated? I doubt it.

 

[Heels Noir]

Uh huh. First come, first seated? I doubt it.

Look it up, dipshit.

 

[randman1]

Look it up, dipshit.

Oh, the media says it and so must be true.

Look, it's the Queen's funeral and so is also a political event.

 

[bluetoe]

Believing in celestial monarchies is your business. If it makes sense to you, that's fine. Stay out of secular government, please. Democratizing societies isn't something that aligns with ancient religions that promote and insist upon celestial Kings that reward and punish based on the church's disposition of what they BELIEVE the King in the Sky is thinking, or wants, or commands.

If you think that the framers of the original American government were fervent, obedient Christians... well, you're just wrong. They were influenced by people like Francis Bacon and John Locke. The Enlightenment period was not a "religious" experience, it was quite the opposite. There may have been religious tolerance, but it was a time when human beings were realizing they were not servants of a celestial monarch.

more to the point and more accurately I think, they understood the need to keep particular religions out of government. That does not exclude them from having been exposed to those religions and thereby having certain principles ingrained in them. A belief in a 'Christian' God (as opposed to Allah or Buddha) certainly made its mark. And it's a damn good thing. Slicing off the hands of thieves isn't a good look, but adherence to the golden rule as a basis for human interaction is just sweet.

And I know you say you would pick up on those principles even without religion, but you're ignoring the fact that those exposed to other religions might very well be OK with stoning adulteresses to death, etc., even if they are not devout. You're also suggesting that those principles come from and are instilled by the family environment, but you can't forget that ultimately, Christianity had made those principles a default code of conduct that the populace at least made reference to. I'm picking on Muslims here but only for making a point The Muslim population generally adheres to the principles of Islam even aside from direct exposure to the religion. That's just the way it works. Likewise, we understand and live by a Christian backdrop.

I'm not actually disagreeing with you but I think we all have to admit that our country was founded on Christian principles. Maybe I should say certain common Christian principles. If someone tried to make it a law that everyone had to be baptized, that would be introducing religion itself into government, and that is no bueno. But a live and let live attitude is just the best thing any country ever adapted into its structure.

And I think the FF in general readily acknowledged a celestial monarch. What they excluded from the government they were trying to put together was any particular form of worship of said monarch.

Amen.

 

[bluetoe]

I would never suggest the Founders weren't Christian or that Christianity played no role in their lives. Right wing folk often over state it. Left wing folk understate it.

But I think what is clear, is that the realms of government and religion were intended to be separate to a large degree. Decisions in government should not be made based on theocracy but what is most prudent for the nation in a given circumstance.

don't make me take back what I said.

 

[strummingram]

more to the point and more accurately I think, they understood the need to keep particular religions out of government. That does not exclude them from having been exposed to those religions and thereby having certain principles ingrained in them. A belief in a 'Christian' God (as opposed to Allah or Buddha) certainly made its mark. And it's a damn good thing. Slicing off the hands of thieves isn't a good look, but adherence to the golden rule as a basis for human interaction is just sweet.

And I know you say you would pick up on those principles even without religion, but you're ignoring the fact that those exposed to other religions might very well be OK with stoning adulteresses to death, etc., even if they are not devout. You're also suggesting that those principles come from and are instilled by the family environment, but you can't forget that ultimately, Christianity had made those principles a default code of conduct that the populace at least made reference to. I'm picking on Muslims here but only for making a point The Muslim population generally adheres to the principles of Islam even aside from direct exposure to the religion. That's just the way it works. Likewise, we understand and live by a Christian backdrop.

I'm not actually disagreeing with you but I think we all have to admit that our country was founded on Christian principles. Maybe I should say certain common Christian principles. If someone tried to make it a law that everyone had to be baptized, that would be introducing religion itself into government, and that is no bueno. But a live and let live attitude is just the best thing any country ever adapted into its structure.

And I think the FF in general readily acknowledged a celestial monarch. What they excluded from the government they were trying to put together was any particular form of worship of said monarch.

Amen.

Humans started being polite to each other as soon as the Hebrews showed up? Good to know.

 

[uncfootball-]

Just amazing that Biden had to be the one that was late to the funeral. An absolute clown show with this administration.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Better seats at a funeral? You're an idiot. It's not like ringside seats for the heavyweight championship.

This is you admitting that he wasn’t respected enough to have better than 14th row seating. I got you.

 

[blazers]

Some of these treasonous liars need to do some jail-time:

 

[uncfootball-]

Joe Biden forced to wait for seat after apparent late arrival at Queen’s funeral

US president and first lady had to wait as procession of George and Victoria Cross-holders went ahead of them

www.theguardian.com

"Rather than being ushered immediately to their seats on their arrival at Westminster Abbey, the first couple, aged 79 and 71, had to be gently told they would need to stand and wait as a procession of George and Victoria Cross-holders went ahead of them down the nave of the abbey."

 

[bluetoe]

There is no queen, you moron.


Better seats at a funeral? You're an idiot. It's not like ringside seats for the heavyweight championship.

whatever that thing is in the casket, it is a queen. A deceased queen, but still a queen.

And given the buildup, no heavyweight championship could ever match the import of this event. Jesus Christ, you're the president of the U.S. Be there on time. Nothing like attending the funeral of the monarch of our most important ally and positioning yourself in a who cares seat.

 

[uncfootball-]

Some of these treasonous liars need to do some jail-time:

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I hope they cheat enough to cancel out what the dems are doing.

 

[strummingram]

Some of these treasonous liars need to do some jail-time:

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Jail? Why???

 

[strummingram]

I hope they cheat enough to cancel out what the dems are doing.

Who can cheat the best ... God Bless America

 

[uncfootball-]

ONLY Joe Biden could F up attending a funeral.

 

[Heels Noir]

This is you admitting that he wasn’t respected enough to have better than 14th row seating. I got you.

No, this is me telling you you’re an idiot for pretending there is some macabre value on seating at a funeral.

“Damn it, Jill, I can’t see the casket from the 14th row as well as I might have from the 10th row.”

You’re a hoot, poopslinger!

 

[uncfootball-]

whatever that thing is in the casket, it is a queen. A deceased queen, but still a queen.

And given the buildup, no heavyweight championship could ever match the import of this event. Jesus Christ, you're the president of the U.S. Be there on time. Nothing like attending the funeral of the monarch of our most important ally and positioning yourself in a who cares seat.

No idea what Heels Nerd said but I like your post.

 

[bluetoe]

Humans started being polite to each other as soon as the Hebrews showed up? Good to know.

As soon as Jesus showed up I think would be the more appropriate response, but whatever. I understand the point you're trying to make. Read an ancient history book whenever you get a chance. Civilization wasn't always 'civil', in the present sense of the word.

 

[nctransplant]

No, this is me telling you you’re an idiot for pretending there is some macabre value on seating at a funeral.

“Damn it, Jill, I can’t see the casket from the 14th row as well as I might have from the 10th row.”

You’re a hoot, poopslinger!

That sounds exactly like something that dumbass would have said. Kudos to you.