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Really? Um, no h didn't assume. He can and is, not just China but India, Japan and a whole host of other nations.

1. Biden said we are going to phase out fossil fuels for the US. Putin is sitting fat then unless Trump or someone like him gets back in.

2. If he was going to annex the Donbass, Putin knows he better do it while Biden is president.

3. Putin has succeeded in getting Nato and the West to destroy their own economies. I don't know if it was a result of brilliant strategy (doubt it) but regardless, Putin and Russia are kicking the West's and Nato's butts. Europe is the one that cut off their nose to spite their face because they don't have inexpensive replacements or just sufficient replacement for Russian natural sources.

We are in a much better position than the Russian authoritarian you subtly admire.
 
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DeSantis with the same exact look my daughter has when I tell her it's time for a bath.
Creepy Joe.
Even though she probably hasn’t had a shower in over a week and reaks as bad as her cracker husband? Maybe that’s the reason for DiSantis’ sour demeanor and why he’s keeping his distance.
This drivel from a guy who can’t spell “DeSantis” or ”reeks” properly. And you went to UNC?
We are in a much better position than the Russian authoritarian you subtly admire.
MAGA’s don’t admire Putin, just the opposite.
 
This drivel from a guy who can’t spell “DeSantis” or ”reeks” properly. And you went to UNC?
Nice work, Archie! I’ll make a deal with you; I’ll stop making jokes about your squirrel hunting in a skirt if you’ll stop making fun of my shoddy grammar. Deal?
 
Actually, I think he's somewhat right. The type of people that admire Putin, like the poster you are talking about, are far right of MAGA people. They are just on a different planet with their beliefs.

Im not sure there’s much difference between MAGA and the far right these days. I agree that traditional hawks and moderate republicans despise Putin. But the Tucker Carlson and MTG types? They think Putin has the right idea about everything.
 
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Im not sure there’s much difference between MAGA and the far right these days. I agree that traditional hawks and moderate republicans despise Putin. But the Tucker Carlson and MTG types? They think Putin has the right idea about everything.
Keep lying to yourself if it makes you feel better. That seems to be part of your new identity.
 

A very relevant article on that state of Christianity and politics in this country.
This mirrors lots of probs regarding conservatives and their beliefs about America :

Conservative Christians have a deep sense of victimhood and fear about a secular America and are willing to end democracy to prevent it. As David Frum noted, “If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy.”
 
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This mirrors lots of probs regarding conservatives and their beliefs about America :

Conservative Christians have a deep sense of victimhood and fear about a secular America and are willing to end democracy to prevent it. As David Frum noted, “If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy.”

Exactly. And they'll twist the narrative in their minds to think that Democrats and liberals are the ones doing these things. The David Frum quote is quite accurate. But I'd argue much the GOP doesn't even fall under the category of conservative any longer. Or rather 'conservative' with a small 'c'.
 
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Exactly. And they'll twist the narrative in their minds to think that Democrats and liberals are the ones doing these things. The David Frum quote is quite accurate. But I'd argue much the GOP doesn't even fall under the category of conservative any longer. Or rather 'conservative' with a small 'c'.
It's been going in this direction for... 30 years, at least? Shouldn't come as much of a surprise, I guess.
 
Well, the difference is, I don't credit Trump with being behind the scenes doing all these underhanded phantom tasks. He's just a moron that bullshited people really well and fell into the presidency and didn't know what the hell it was doing.
a moron that bullshitted people really well. lol, OK, I'm sure that makes sense to you. Is that a certain kind of moron as opposed to those morons who bullshit you really well?
 
And they'll twist the narrative in their minds to think that Democrats and liberals are the ones doing these things
lol you have a definite knack for assigning the most outstanding liberal traits to conservatives. That's the main liberal trait BTW, that is, assigning liberal traits to conservatives. We've discussed it thoroughly here...if a liberal accuses you of something, it's something the liberal is more guilty of.


of course it does. In your world, morons are some of the more capable people.
 
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lol you have a definite knack for assigning the most outstanding liberal traits to conservatives. That's the main liberal trait BTW, that is, assigning liberal traits to conservatives. We've discussed it thoroughly here...if a liberal accuses you of something, it's something the liberal is more guilty of.

No, I simply state things for what they are. At least I do my best. I'm not without bias to be sure. But I am not blinded by the hubris of my own leanings when it comes to politics.

You've been blinded into believing or partially giving credence to claims that are simply not true. And you'll go to any lengths to defend them because they represent your interests. Because somehow, a liberal democratic state is in opposition to everything you stand for.

Supposedly. Or am I wrong?
 
Keep telling yourself you’re some harbinger of truth, ya freakin looney tune. There’s a tin foil hat somewhere with your name on it.
Well, have you figured out that you have a penis and male body which shows "the science" says you are male, or do you just throw all reason and logic out the window and maintain you are a female?
 
No, I simply state things for what they are. At least I do my best. I'm not without bias to be sure. But I am not blinded by the hubris of my own leanings when it comes to politics.

You've been blinded into believing or partially giving credence to claims that are simply not true. And you'll go to any lengths to defend them because they represent your interests. Because somehow, a liberal democratic state is in opposition to everything you stand for.

Supposedly. Or am I wrong?

Well, have you figured out that you have a penis and male body which shows "the science" says you are male, or do you just throw all reason and logic out the window and maintain you are a female?
 
No, I simply state things for what they are. At least I do my best. I'm not without bias to be sure. But I am not blinded by the hubris of my own leanings when it comes to politics.

You've been blinded into believing or partially giving credence to claims that are simply not true. And you'll go to any lengths to defend them because they represent your interests. Because somehow, a liberal democratic state is in opposition to everything you stand for.

Supposedly. Or am I wrong?
right, you are wrong. I didn't call you a knee-jerk liberal for no reason. I don't doubt that you think you're stating things for what they are, but that isn't the case many times, and you severely overstate things that support your agenda, to the point of shrill protest in many cases.

Consider when you claimed repeatedly that abortions due to careless disregard for protection were the exception rather than the rule, and I was claiming the opposite. My purpose was to support tighter abortion laws and regs because it would tend to promote greater responsibility in that regard. You were purely screeching about the 'outrageous' rejection of RvW and all its ramifications.. Then because someone else on your side of things linked to a paper put out by some official entity about a related topic, I read the entire paper and lo and behold, it contained a complete breakdown of reasons for abortions....and guess what? I was right in a big way, the large majority of abortions were due not to rape or incest or ectopic pregnancy or any of that stuff you claimed, but simply as a backup to not having used some form of protection (or failed protection, just to be clear).

I posted it in the midst of a discussion that you were part of. I don't remember if I did so in a reply to you, but you must have seen it as well as my ensuing comments on it. What have I heard from you as a response? Nothing.

I am one-sided in many areas and I make no bones about it. But I either know what I'm talking about or I keep my mouth shut. When you say otherwise, it's YOUR bias overriding the reality of it all. You are often emotional beyond reason.

I hate the current state of affairs for what they are, and I blame the left for the current state of affairs. You can consider that unrealistic and a matter of bias if you want to, but anyone with one eye and half a brain can see that there's a realistically good reason to be biased.
 
Im not sure there’s much difference between MAGA and the far right these days. I agree that traditional hawks and moderate republicans despise Putin. But the Tucker Carlson and MTG types? They think Putin has the right idea about everything.
case in point, referring back to my last reply to you. A few stray comments don't amount to believing that Putin has the right idea about everything. AND, if one delves into any subject to an appropriate depth, one usually finds that there actually are two sides to every story. In the long run, after educating yourself you just have to pick a side to agree with and a side to trash. The problem is we don't wait for the long run to pick sides, we form an opinion and a bias based on the first ill-reported headline we see..

The reputation of affinity for Putin is much exaggerated and largely hearkens back to well before he outed himself as a complete asshole. Not denying that there are those who still actually admire him, but comments like yours are currently out of line.
 
I know basically nothing about Shapiro so I'll just take whatever side you're on. That way you can salvage a win after taking an L on the FDR argument.
I'll defend FDR to the death for doing what he did during his time. In hindsight it looks like Socialist dictator shit and some of those programs are now completely outdated...but at the time, it worked. We were down, way way down when he became President and when he died in April 45, we were the most powerful nation in the world by a billion. Hard to argue with that.

Plus, Lend Lease and his decisions with nearly everything related to WW2 were some of the most important decisions in American history. He indebted Europe to us and Europe used that debt to defeat Hitler, win/win. He was also genius to let Russia fight for 95% of the way then swoop in at the end. That head start on the Cold War while Russia was rebuilding set us up to always be ahead of the Soviets.

No way I'm giving you a W on the FDR argument. I'll die on this hill but this hill is probably filled with hippies now that most of the greatest generation has died off so is the one thing that sucks about defending FDR.
 
So this secret service stuff is interesting. Especially given all the testimony from whats-her-name which made several secret service folks look like Trump loyalists rather than US Gov loyalists. And especially that we know the secret service wiped their phones clean of all texts.

 
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I'm looking fwd to the spin that the deepstate setup the insurrection thru the fbi/cia via secret service.


Good conspiracy fodder, but also what-the-actual-fvck
 
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I'll defend FDR to the death for doing what he did during his time. In hindsight it looks like Socialist dictator shit and some of those programs are now completely outdated...but at the time, it worked. We were down, way way down when he became President and when he died in April 45, we were the most powerful nation in the world by a billion. Hard to argue with that.

Plus, Lend Lease and his decisions with nearly everything related to WW2 were some of the most important decisions in American history. He indebted Europe to us and Europe used that debt to defeat Hitler, win/win. He was also genius to let Russia fight for 95% of the way then swoop in at the end. That head start on the Cold War while Russia was rebuilding set us up to always be ahead of the Soviets.

No way I'm giving you a W on the FDR argument. I'll die on this hill but this hill is probably filled with hippies now that most of the greatest generation has died off so is the one thing that sucks about defending FDR.
I don't list FDR as the worst president in modern times like some do, and I have no problem giving him props for what he did well, and that would include his handling of the war, for the most part. But it was the war that made him look good because it was the war that bailed us out of the doldrums. His programs didn't help much but he gets credit for them getting us back on our feet nonetheless, just because that's how things work.

His 'genius' in letting Russia take the bulk of the punishment may be a large factor in Russia's enmity and mistrust toward us since. Still, I agree with that approach since it was their war anyway.

I will always wonder about our deciding NOT to go toe-to-toe with the Russkis after the war.
 
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I don't list FDR as the worst president in modern times like some do, and I have no problem giving him props for what he did well, and that would include his handling of the war, for the most part. But it was the war that made him look good because it was the war that bailed us out of the doldrums. His programs didn't help much but he gets credit for them getting us back on our feet nonetheless, just because that's how things work.

His 'genius' in letting Russia take the bulk of the punishment may be a large factor in Russia's enmity and mistrust toward us since. Still, I agree with that approach since it was their war anyway.

I will always wonder about our deciding NOT to go toe-to-toe with the Russkis after the war.
Yeah make no mistake - WW2 ended the Great Depression, I think any rational person realizes that. That said, the programs he implemented stopped the bleeding and at least put us in a position to be the manufacturing superpower we became in the late 30s and early 40s.

Russia's mistrust of us mostly stemmed from us not helping them though. Stalin was always a little leery (as he was with everyone) but him begging us to fight on the Western front and us telling him no for 2 and a half years was really what started the Cold War. It was genius on our part, the Japs were our immediate threat, Hitler was Europe's problem for the time being.

And yeah, we could have absolutely wiped them out before they got the bomb (and after, but it would have been a bit more difficult)...but the last thing anyone wanted was another World War. Our focus was making Western Europe capitalist.
 
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I'll defend FDR to the death for doing what he did during his time. In hindsight it looks like Socialist dictator shit and some of those programs are now completely outdated...but at the time, it worked. We were down, way way down when he became President and when he died in April 45, we were the most powerful nation in the world by a billion. Hard to argue with that.

Plus, Lend Lease and his decisions with nearly everything related to WW2 were some of the most important decisions in American history. He indebted Europe to us and Europe used that debt to defeat Hitler, win/win. He was also genius to let Russia fight for 95% of the way then swoop in at the end. That head start on the Cold War while Russia was rebuilding set us up to always be ahead of the Soviets.

No way I'm giving you a W on the FDR argument. I'll die on this hill but this hill is probably filled with hippies now that most of the greatest generation has died off so is the one thing that sucks about defending FDR.
tl;dr

But seriously, my biggest issue with him was what went down with the supreme court. I also wasn't a fan of him continuing to seek reelection.
 
Ok, you concede you lost the argument but can't admit your worldview is wrong.
Let’s look at your worldview

hospitals are knowingly murdering people to profit off covid

the Dutch are from denmark

the rioters on Jan 6 didn’t commit any crimes

schools are cutting off kids penises

Putin’s election is more valid than bidens

if i were you skippy I’d avoid critiquing anyones world view
 
You want in on this? I'll let you pay in pork rinds from your failing, two-bit convenience store.
I guffawed. Not a bad bet though, sometimes you just have to have some pork rinds. Do they get stale after a year or so on the shelf?
 
So this secret service stuff is interesting. Especially given all the testimony from whats-her-name which made several secret service folks look like Trump loyalists rather than US Gov loyalists. And especially that we know the secret service wiped their phones clean of all texts.

I think you have it backwards. HER testimony, IIRC, was that the SS guys were who clued her on some alleged Trump shenanigans. Mysteriously, they weren't called to testify although the committee was grasping at any straw they could find. THAT decision was what made them seem like Trump loyalists to those so disposed to making all things anti-Trump things.

But speaking of phone calls, I heard one end of a phone call that sounded like the guy was talking to Joe Biden about hooking his son Hunter up with some shady business dealio. I'm prepared to contact whatever black hole agency I can get to make this info disappear. Probably the FBI.
 
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