It was terrible. Harris has been just awful. I voted for Tulsi Gabbard in the primaries. And, Tulsi totally bitch-slapped Harris in the debates. I guess the DNC thought a female POC was the right play, and maybe it was, to get elected.
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Does he still have his balls, however?LOLOLOLOL. This dude is acting like @Archer2 is the victim of some spell? And that he's the independent thinker?
That's too rich. The audacity of someone like him having the balls to say such boggles the mind.
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- Is Putin a heroic liberator of Ukraine? No
- Is Ukraine a corrupt Soros/WEF proxy state? Yes
- Would swaths of Ukraine prefer to be Russian? Yes
- Is Ukraine worth nuclear war? No
- Is Ukraine worth wrecking your economy/energy supply? No
- Do the elites doing this care about you? No"
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If you have followed news on Ukraine a little for the past 10 years or so, you'd know this. Multiple sources.
Ukraine elected a pro-Moscow president, and we organized a coup to get rid of him. That's fact.
Pro-Russian sentiment was concentrated in the East and in Crimea. They had their pick for president taken away by work of the US State dept and the CIA and so yes, large swaths of Ukrainians prefer to be Russian and of course, they speak Russian and are Russians.
And of course, the referendum in Crimea resulted in 97% voting to secede from Ukraine and join Russia.
This is the most accurate thing you will see today.
No, just a realist. You actually give credence to and let people that say absurd things like Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation define your views of what's happening in the world.
That's why sane talk seems crazy to you.
Just want to add, none of those on the board clamoring for war with Russia seem to have any clue about Russia and it's history, it seems, much less Ukraine's.
I've at least been to both countries and could speak the language(s) and have at least some understanding of their history. Wouldn't call myself an expert but it doesn't take an expert to wrap one's mind around how Russia has always operated.
De Toqueville laid it out in the 1830s and it's still true today. Russia prefers to concentrate power in a single man. That's always been true. Maybe that will change some and they do actually have elections but this idea we can Americanize other cultures by going to war with them is sheer inanity.
Didn't work in Iraq so well, did it?
And why are you guys now all neocons?
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A 'realist' would know that the vote in Crimea was rigged and so were the ones in the recently illegally annexed regions. Any 'sane' person would know that any pro-Russian sentiment in the east and south is gone. Any person with an actual understanding of history, knows that Ukrainians are not Russians. Nor do they want to be Russian. And that Ukraine has a right to decide it's own fate. Or should they just lay down with a whimper and let Putin commit genocide and wipe them off the face of the map?
And stick that laptop up your ass. Maybe one day it'll be relevant to a conversation just like Hillary's emails...oh wait.
You cannot allow Putin do as he pleases and initiate a massive land grab like it's the 19th century. The problem with Russia is not that its people prefer this method of subjugation, but they've been living under centuries of brutal, autocratic rule and do not know any other way. Similar to Germany and Japan before we reshaped them after WW2. The point is not to Americanize Russia, the people there must take matters into their own hands to achieve freedom, but to defend Ukraine from neo-Imperialist invasion ordered by a sociopath with nuclear weapons.
Here's an actual expert talking about the subject.
This guy is very good at explaining it. Have you read “Russka” by Edward Rutherford(one of my favorite authors)? It gave me a better understanding of that country. Putin is a despot, the Russian people deserve better but I’m not sure they recognize that.
I pray DeSantis wins the Presidency in ‘24. Then we’ll finally get to see all the incriminating evidence against Hunter, Joe, and Joe’s brother that is on that laptop. Then all the deniers like CB34, blazers, prlyles, etc… won’t be able to deny it.
I'm glad I didn't have a chance to respond to your several earlier posts. You have provided a perfect example to allow me to say what I want to say about you.
You talk ABOUT yourself in terms that would have those unfamiliar with you believing that you are the most level headed liberal possible. It's such self-serving bullshit that it almost nauseates. Because look at what you ACTUALLY DO when confronted with what you don't want to hear. I don't always get in line with @randman1 's posts, but I can tell you he's right more than he's wrong; but because he doesn't post what you want to hear, you only strive to belittle him. All you care about is calling him a fruitcake and any other derogatory thing as you completely ignore the truth of his message. Look at your asshole response to his last post. You care not one whit for the truth, you are as I say just a shrill, knee-jerk liberal. THAT is you, not the non-existent NYT version of the character you portray as you.
The fact is that he is very close to being completely accurate about Russia and Ukraine. He didn't provide that Russia had its own hand in Ukraine electing a pro-Russian president, but that doesn't make him wrong about what he did provide. The U.S. was not shy about helping to get rid of that guy....it was well known that we had a big hand in that. That's why I don't get mad as you suggest, but express my contempt for and disgust with those who ignorantly fall for the lie, like the politically supplanted notion that Russia interferes in elections while we only play pattycake when other countries have their elections. We are expert at interfering in the processes of other countries and what Russia did in our next to last election was almost laughably ineffective. What WE (the dems) did was FAR more harmful to our own democracy and you backed them all the way.
I am not in favor of Russia annexing more and more land using the excuse of pro-Russian inhabitants. Those people can move to Russia if they love Russia that much. Anything that even slightly resembles the reconstruction of an iron curtain deserves the strongest opposition. But at the same time, I don't deny the other side of the coin. There always is one.
And you are just a phony and you're completely full of shit when it comes down to it.
Cb, you have no real knowledge of Ukraine, Russia or anything, do you?
No one really thinks the Crimean vote was rigged. Believe it or not, Putin is a very popular president of the Russian Federation. Yeah, some hate him but he has widespread popular support.
In Ukraine, many are native Russian speakers, and the languages are not that far apart. Moreover, parts of the current Ukrainian boundaries were Russian territory, populated by Russians, and as far as Crimea, Khruschev gave that to Ukraine in 1954.
There's a lot of history and won't try to explain it all going back centuries but Crimea, for example, was Tatar (Muslim) and Stalin decimated the Tatar population and repopulated it with Russians (not Ukrainians). It's not really Ukraine except by some arbitrary act (Kruschev).
Other parts of Ukraine have been historically Russia. Here's an article from Pravda on the Potomac, which despite it's typical propaganda, tries to explain the history. I only share it since you won't read non-propaganda sites.
I would suggest you stop engaging.
I have not read that book, Arch. But I will gladly buy it and give it a read. Vlad Vexler has really given fantastic insight on Russia and Ukraine. I hope to build on my understanding.
As for Biden being indicted for something due to Hunter’s shenanigans, I think you’re going to be severely disappointed even if DeSantis becomes president.
The one thing I will grant you is that Crimea was a part of Russia for centuries until Khrushchev gave it to Ukraine. If I were Zekensky, I’d let that one go. It’s not a historical part of the modern Ukrainian state. Everything else, however? It belongs to Ukraine, especially the Donbas. Your assertion that the citizens there want to be a part of Russia may have had merit 7 months ago. No longer since the Russians invaded. Kharkiv is 82% Russian speaking and the hatred towards their eastern neighbor is murderous. Putin’s folly has single handedly united Ukrainians of all languages against Russia for the next century.
Putin is only popular with the rabid pro war population. 20-25%. There is another 45-50% that is content to let Putin run things as long as he doesn’t interfere in their lives, which is currently being tested. The rest are anti war and a good portion of that demographic is in jail. So your claims of Putin being wildly popular doesn’t tell the whole story.
And you know these things how? Putin's popularity is down a little, and so now just 70% job approval. That's reality.
When has an American president enjoyed a 70% job approval rating and that's down from it's highs?
Oh, why don't you tell us who has primarily ruled the Donbass for the past hundreds of years? Even when the Soviets gave it technically to Ukraine, it was ruled by Moscow.
As far as war-torn areas producing hatred for Putin or Russia, probably so but take a look at this map. We definitely interfered in Ukraine and made it a client state of the US, and there was no way Russia was going to just let that go and not respond. Nor would we if the shoes were reversed.
Oh, yes. Because we can trust the word of a totalitarian dictator who's never bent the law or rigged a survey to be honest about his own popularity. That honesty also extends to a people living in fear of imprisonment should they say something against the current regime. And I'm the one out of touch? Get real.
American society will never coalesce around one person unless in a time of great peril. Even Roosevelt and Lincoln never achieved that measure of success or if they did, it was temporary. It's the mark of a pluralistic, free society.
And might I add, who it was who caused the Holodomor? A systematic genocide against the Ukrainian people. Might I add some of the worst casualties were in the east and south, allowing Russia to settle its own people there as a bulwark against Ukrainian nationalism. Any claim Russia as to the Donbas is illegitimate historically and legally.
As far as war-torn areas producing hatred for Putin or Russia, probably so but take a look at this map. We definitely interfered in Ukraine and made it a client state of the US, and there was no way Russia was going to just let that go and not respond. Nor would we if the shoes were reversed.
What does map prove other than that before the war, Eastern and Southern Ukraine wished to have better relations with Russia? We're talking about now and as we speak, no part of Ukraine wants to be a part of Russia. Mass murder and genocide will see to that.
Sure, you can argue the United States meddled and interfered, etc. I've noticed you're very nationalistic, but also isolationist not unlike Republicans in the 20s and 30s when it comes to world affairs. Are we not the symbolic leader of the free world? Is it just to leave Ukraine to suffer and lose our standing in the world as a country that defends democracy because of a madman like Putin?
You're setting an incredibly bad precedent by letting a man such as that achieve an imperialistic nightmare. Bullies must be stood up to.
So a guy that wins elections and enjoys a massive majority of support is just a "totalitarian dictator"?
See, this is your problem. You assume Russia is like Saudi Arabia or North Korea because a bunch of liars told you so. I don't like Putin but I do believe in being realistic and we had diplomatic relations with all of the Soviet leaders and with China, and Putin is much better than them as bad as he is.
Why are you a neocon? Even Bush and Cheney weren't as bad as people like you.
" And might I add, who it was who caused the Holodomor?"
The Left's hero, Ole Uncle Joe, who got a lot of help from people like you and the New York Times.
You also are misinformed on "democracy." Ukraine is no more of a democracy than Russia. They jail, kill and outlaw opposition parties, media and people of influence opposed to their rule. Same as Putin.
They are listed as perhaps the most corrupt areas of Europe.
it matters not one whit to our national interests if Putin or Zelensky rules the Donbass or even Ukraine, and so why are we pushing for war again? It matters a great deal to Russia, even enough to perhaps try to win a nuclear war.
What's the end goal here? If regime change happens n Russia, which it likely won't, what will we have gained? You think the Russians will replace Putin with someone that will be like, hey, we love all the trannies like yourself and want to make more kids trans as well?
That's not going to happen even if you think it's the right thing.
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You don't even recognize your own hypocrisy lol. This is entirely filled with empty platitudes and false equivalencies.
If your stance is that America should never get involved in foreign conflicts and not exert power abroad, fair enough. Every President since Truman has done this, Democrat and Republican so don't gaslight me with that 'neocon' bullshit. I believe America has a part to play on the world stage and better that we play that role than an Imperialist Russia or China.
Let me answer the Holodomor question for you: it was the Russians who committed it. Yes, under Stalin. Who by the way, isn't even in the same league politically as the NYT or American liberalism. But I know how you just love to villainize anything that isn't remotely right wing and lump into one category for you to hate on. The point is, the Russians have committed mass murder in numerous places and resettled their own people there. 1.6 million Ukrainians have been kidnapped and relocated in this current war. Same shit all over again.
Ukraine is certainly a flawed democracy, but not anywhere near as flawed as Russia. Again, to say they are the on the same moral plane as Russia is just not an argument made in good faith.
What this war is about isn't just Ukraine or a mindless land grab. It's ideology. It's the soul of the world. Russia is cynically challenging an order led by the West with us as the leader. We cannot allow that to break apart or back down or we risk further conflict in the future in other parts of the world. We send a message anyone can threaten anyone with nukes and you're good to go. That's not feasible.
This is our end goal. To finally weaken and reduce the power of a hostile, insecure, neo imperialist power hellbent on genocide and the reconquering of its old empire. To show our way works, not mindless postmodern right wing nationalism. And to secure a strong, independent Ukraine that has thrown off the yoke of its oppressive neighbor.
I'll ignore your foul attempt to insult me. It literally has nothing to do with what we're talking about and it just shows you for what you truly are.
As always, my good friend Vlad expounds upon the issue of Russian propaganda, how it works, and also how it's seeped into our own democratic society.
my disappointment peaked when he was allowed to be elected president. An indictment now won't undo the stain he is leaving on us.
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I want someone to watch this and then, with a straight face, criticize Ben Shapiro for his POV.
I'll do it for 50 bucks. I can't guarantee a straight face... there's a distinct possibility that I'll be laughing.
others won't side but they'll still deny that this crap goes on. The teaching profession is a mess, IMO. Aside from the extreme idiocy like this, kids are very often taught socialistic ideals; instead of teaching that everyone should have the same education available to them, they are taught that, away from school, nobody shouldn't have what others have. We might as well give them a tattoo...
NO WAIT, I mean this one...
Joe will be dead before anything were to happen to him.
tru dat. Nothing will happen to him. When it's a footnote in history, his corruption might be
Is there a shortage of people without gender dysphoria??? If someone is dealing with that, I have sympathy for them. But, I don't understand why there are so many that are seeking employment in elementary school education. I never realized that this condition was so abundant, quite frankly. I'm not sure if it's a good idea to unnecessarily confuse or disrupt the maturity of these really young children with this condition.
Dems never pay for crimes. Signing multiple knowingly false FISA warrants, Hillary deleting thousands of emails and destroying everyone around her’s smart devices, Hunter’s damning laptop which the FBI refuses to make public, allowing January 6th to occur by not responding to all the intelligence they had that it would, etc… They get away with murder(looking at you Bill and Hillary). Two tiers of justice, one for Dem politicians and one for everyone else.
Humanities majors are often very left wing especially in colleges within the northeast and west coast. They often lead to teaching jobs like the woman in that video.
Take it from someone who knows, gender dysphoria is not something the vast majority of people have. I'd venture the trans population is 1-1.5% maximum. You don't need full scale lessons on gender identity, skin color, and what not in a preschool class.
You are ridiculous. The only reason you want us involved in war in Ukraine is that the media and your party want it as well as the DC establishment which includes Republicans.
If your party was protesting our involvement as war mongering, then that's the position you would have. Be honest. That's correct, right?
And on what basis other than constant demonization are you claiming Ukraine is more of a democracy than Russia. Ukraine does not allow opposition media and jails dissenters. Same as Russia. Russia arguably allows more dissent but that's probably because the dissent isn't strong enough to be a real challenge.
" It's ideology. It's the soul of the world. Russia is cynically challenging an order led by the West with us as the leader."
That is sheer lunacy but do appreciate showing how for so many like yourself, this is a religious war, a war as you said, "for the soul of rhe world."
You are just deluded, of course, and the whole idea we are some kind of spiritual leader to the world and it's our job to control the whole world if we can is delusion and yes, that makes you the same as a neocon. Let's use war to Americanize the world, an order led by us, blah, blah,....
Except of course, we could perhaps do some good if we took out the communist regime in Cuba and helped those people, but because that's not on today's menu of new prospective wars to start, we MUST bring regime change to those nasty Russians.
I mean we gotta have some kind of war going on. There's just too much money in it to let some guy like Trump bring peace and diplomacy to conflicts.
Just crazy but that's you and those who think like you. Let's say we win, then what? Putin is driven from office. The new leaders are still going to challenge your religious order because they are not American.
Meanwhile the same war mongers are buds with Xi and the CCP.
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