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OOTB's Political Thread . ..

I'm not aware of what "way" she's going about it. I was just impressed by the way she used her platform there to call attention to the corruption. I rarely see politicians do that. She's new, so maybe she's too green and eager and hasn't been reigned in yet.

She wants a bigger government. Bigger government = more corruption. I agree that most politicians don't call attention to it, because most of them are taking advantage of the issue, but making the government bigger is only going to make this issue worse. "A" for effort, but "F" for execution.
 
Only enough to protect liberies, not infringe upon them.

Hitler claimed that he was protecting German liberties by killing 6 million Jews.

Liberty is a word that means a million things to a million people. Good luck making your plan practical at all.
 
She wants a bigger government. Bigger government = more corruption. I agree that most politicians don't call attention to it, because most of them are taking advantage of the issue, but making the government bigger is only going to make this issue worse. "A" for effort, but "F" for execution.
Well, at this point, it's all talk from her. I was just impressed by the talk. If she's been bought-off, then she's just being hypocritical and disingenuous.
 
Liberty means liberty. You can attempt to bastardize it any way you want, but it still ultimately means the same thing.
It's subjective... just like "Free." History has proven that. It could be argued that you're "bastardizing" the word. You have your ideal version of how "Liberty" exists in society. It's not universal, however.
 
It's subjective... just like "Free." History has proven that. It could be argued that you're "bastardizing" the word. You have your ideal version of how "Liberty" exists in society. It's not universal, however.

No, it isn't. Society has agreed upon a definition for it. That's why we have dictionaries. Can I arbitrarily switch the definition of "cats" and "dogs"? Would that be accepted by society?
 
Godwin's law makes an appearance.
I dunno how much of that is a "law." It happens often enough, that's true. But, that event in history is useful. It had better be useful to show how human attitude and behavior can go to extremes if left unchecked or unchallenged by precedent, and we'd better recognize it way before it gets anywhere close to that extreme again. Otherwise, it must not have been "wrong" to have occurred.
 
No, it isn't. Society has agreed upon a definition for it. That's why we have dictionaries. Can I arbitrarily switch the definition of "cats" and "dogs"? Would that be accepted by society?
Comparing "Liberty"- an idea- with Cats and Dogs, makes me really question whether or not you understand what Liberty is, was, was intended to be, could be, has been under the best conditions, and so on.
 
I dunno how much of that is a "law." It happens often enough, that's true. But, that event in history is useful. It had better be useful to show how human attitude and behavior can go to extremes if left unchecked or unchallenged by precedent, and we'd better recognize it way before it gets anywhere close to that extreme again. Otherwise, it must not have been "wrong" to have occurred.

I wonder how many people the US has killed post WWII? Is it okay because they were mostly brown people?
 
Comparing "Liberty"- an idea- with Cats and Dogs, makes me really question whether or not you understand what Liberty is, was, was intended to be, could be, has been under the best conditions, and so on.

I'm saying that the word "liberty" has a definition. All words have a definition. One person can't arbitrarily change that definition. You can twist and obfuscate all you want, but it means what the definition says it means.
 
I'm saying that the word "liberty" has a definition. All words have a definition. One person can't arbitrarily change that definition. You can twist and obfuscate all you want, but it means what the definition says it means.
The way it is manifested and recognized is subjective. It's a lot like religion and religious liturgy. Liberty is an idea.
 
The way it is manifested and recognized is subjective. It's a lot like religion and religious liturgy.

Yeah, people look at it in subjective ways, but it still has a definition. You can look at it however you want, but I'm guessing you would be wrong. Words just can't mean whatever you arbitrarily want them to mean. Communication would completely break down.
 
Of course it is. What is your definition?
Fascism is a form of government which is a type of one-party dictatorship. Fascists are against democracy. They work for a totalitarian one-party state. This aim is to prepare the nation for armed conflict, and to respond to economic difficulties. ... It stands for a centralized government headed by a dictator.

There's a standard definition. No mention of "corporations" there.
 
Yeah, people look at it in subjective ways, but it still has a definition. You can look at it however you want, but I'm guessing you would be wrong. Words just can't mean whatever you arbitrarily want them to mean. Communication would completely break down.
Irony... writ large!
 
Fascism is a form of government which is a type of one-party dictatorship. Fascists are against democracy. They work for a totalitarian one-party state. This aim is to prepare the nation for armed conflict, and to respond to economic difficulties. ... It stands for a centralized government headed by a dictator.

There's a standard definition. No mention of "corporations" there.

Fascists opposed both international socialism and free market capitalism, arguing that their views represented a third position. They favored corporatism and class collaboration, believing that the existence of inequality and social hierarchy was beneficial (contrary to the views of socialists),[13][14] while also arguing that the state had a role in mediating relations between classes (contrary to the views of liberal capitalists).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_fascism
 
From that link... the second sentence:

" Historians and other scholars disagree on the question of whether a specifically fascist type of economic policy can be said to exist."

I added the entire paragraph. It mentions corporatism specifically. My original response may have been a little simplistic, but it wasn't wrong.
 
And all it cost them were their valuable resources, amirite? Sounds like a fair trade.
I was trying to demonstrate to you how those "words with distinct definitions" are manifested in ways that are counter to what they're SUPPOSED TO MEAN.
 
I was trying to demonstrate to you how those "words with distinct definitions" are manifested in ways that are counter to what they're SUPPOSED TO MEAN.

Yeah, I'm not arguing that people don't twist language. Look at the Democrats. They call themselves "liberals" and that couldn't be further from the truth. They're authoritarian, the exact opposite of liberal.
 
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Of course it is. What is your definition?

You can't just invent definitions to suit your extreme political bias.

From the Oxford English:

Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
 
You can't just invent definitions to suit your extreme political bias.

From the Oxford English:

Fascism: An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

You're a little late to this party. I know you're probably busy, but this was already covered.
 
You're a little late to this party. I know you're probably busy, but this was already covered.
But, that is Fascism, in simple terms.

Anytime people are burning books? You're a step closer to burning people in ovens.
 
I dunno how much of that is a "law."
None of it is. It's a phrase.

But, that event in history is useful. It had better be useful to show how human attitude and behavior can go to extremes if left unchecked or unchallenged by precedent, and we'd better recognize it way before it gets anywhere close to that extreme again. Otherwise, it must not have been "wrong" to have occurred.
It can be in limited circumstances, but @NoleSoup4U essentially arguing for smaller government has nothing to do with Hitler killing Jews. It made zero sense for @dadika13 to bring it up.
 
Well, you're never wrong. That's everyone else's cross to bear.

Just to be serious about this. I wouldn't consider my response completely right, because I left out a lot of other issues. Like I said before, it was a simplistic answer, so I understand why people would call me out on it. However, I still don't think it was wrong, just incomplete. If it were an answer on a test, it probably wouldn't be marked wrong, but there's no way I would be getting full points for it.
 
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