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So what you're saying is even though none of the Capitol police died that day -- although four of them eventually would -- it was all just a bunch of harmless, innocent violence taking place.

Someone needs to put a brick upside your head, Randy.
Now you are making personal threats? 5 unarmed protestors killed that day. Countless beaten needlessly, people not engaged in attacking the police. Far more peaceful than BLM riots, killing cops, arson and looting.

Keep in mind the cops on the other side of the Capitol were taking selfies with protestors. Someone ordered the cops on the side where the dust-up happened to attack protestors.

" Holy shit they're actually admitting it was all staged."

 
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Bull-crap. First, no guns whatsoever were brandished. That's a fact. There is a very flimsy claim that does not show a gun but the bulge is supposed to be a gun. A DEA agent required by the agency to carry was one of those "armed."

Haven't heard of any knives either. Bats? Maybe. Chemical irritants? Sure but those are classified as non-lethal.

This whole armed to the teeth trying to kill people is total, 100% Bull-crap.
MAGAtard through and through.
 
Being "allowed in" doesn't mean you get to vandalize it.
Vandalizing it isn't an insurrection either. Plus, some, if not almost all, of those "vandals" turned out to be Antifa and FBI assets. The Trump people walking through the Capitol with police escorting them were not vandalizing anything.

It's past time you guys showed some intellectual honesty and decency and understand there were different groups and entirely different entrances and situations involved.
 
This is one of the best analogies to witness. The people that stormed the Capitol are a perfect example of how AMERICANS- people who call themselves Americans- can watch what happened and then have two totally different accounts of what actually took place. It's so cool to see Americans do that. I keep waiting for the daylight to be night-time... according to half the people. The human imagination is boundless! I love it!

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Vandalizing it isn't an insurrection either. Plus, some, if not almost all, of those "vandals" turned out to be Antifa and FBI assets.
Oh, I know. There were only one or two shit-for-brains like you that even showed-up!

FBI, CIA, VietCong, Girl Scouts, MADD, Slytherin House, all of the really seedy scum were out there pretending to be MAGA nuts. Sneaky, sneaky, sneaky, they are.
 
That is just a fvcking lie, pure and simple…
Prove it then. Show me the footage and the follow up arrest reports. You will find very few actual Trump supporters vandalizing anything but a bunch of people on camera doing so, and yet the FBI isn't going after them.

Wonder why? Seriously. You haven't taken the time to look at the footage and consider various arguments about them. The Antifa people were generally either dressed in black as is customary or copying Trump supporters but with the hats on backwards.

You can see one group breaking windows and then police come, and then the police were ordered to move, and the black-clad antifa group comes back, and then a Trump guy tries to stop them but is physically threatened, for example.

The first people to "attack" the Capitol while Trump was still speaking were Antifa, for example. One of them even filmed a lot of it.
 
Prove it then. Show me the footage and the follow up arrest reports. You will find very few actual Trump supporters vandalizing anything but a bunch of people the FBI refuses to arrest.

Wonder why?
LOL... Prove you're lying! That's the best one.

You're an ex-con pedophile that prays to the moon, and only takes a shit while running at full speed. Prove me wrong!
 
LOL... Prove you're lying! That's the best one.

You're an ex-con pedophile that prays to the moon, and only takes a shit while running at full speed. Prove me wrong!
If you call someone a liar, you should be able to back that up, and he can't. Whatever you were trying to say in your comment just sounds like a confused TDS sufferer.
 
If you call someone a liar, you should be able to back that up, and he can't. Whatever you were trying to say in your comment just sounds like a confused TDS sufferer.
It's quite a conundrum. Your "movement" actually attempted to disrupt the American government and it failed... that day. So, as an American- if you pretend you are- you have to denounce the insurrection. But, rather than denounce your nutty brethren, you have to invent the idea that the insurrection either "wasn't real" or... it was all Antifa or FBI, CIA, anyone except your own people who actually tried and failed. The FBI and CIA would have succeeded. MAGA's failed miserably.
 
At least they took his cash after he bragged about he and Antifa starting the whole thing.

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The 18-page affidavit claims Sullivan allegedly incited violence by exclaiming ‘we gotta get this shit burned’ and ‘it’s our house mother****ers.'”


Sullivan was previously recorded during an anti-Trump riot in Washington, D.C. In the video, Sullivan pointed at the White House, and said,“We… about to burn this s— down… We gotta rip Trump right out of that office right there.” Sullivan added, “We ain’t about…waiting until the next election. It’s time for revolution.”

“In the days immediately following the January 6 protest, one user in Sullivan’s Discord server wrote, ‘I had to wear a Trump hat and shirtm [sic]’ to be able to infiltrate the crowd unnoticed.” Another activist disagreed, and suggested, “Putting on a Trump hat does not make him blend in. It makes him look like a well known activist who was attempting to instigate ‘antifa violence’ narrative.”

 
Well if it’s so well known that those rednecks muck up everything, then I guess there was never any threat.

You and @Heels Noir with the self-owns today. Nice.
They wanted to thwart justice, hang mike pence, hurt Pelosi - and they failed. But they did cause damage and injured a crap-ton of cops, and their mess caused one protester to be shot.

So there was a threat, just shitty execution. I'm not surprised you don't see the diff
 
r "Will Fox interview John sullivans brother? He told FBI John pre planned riot, wanted people to blame Trump and his supporters so he could create Anarchy! Do yr job and report the truth. Fox has already lost millions of loyal viewer."

His brother said he organized something like 260 Antifa people to attack the Capitol while Trump was speaking, and he felt his brother was somehow in charge, and that he did so in order to try to blame it on Trump supporters.

Sullivan appears to have messed up a little by filming him do it and admitting it on camera but will still not be heavily prosecuted.

 
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They wanted to thwart justice, hang mike pence, hurt Pelosi - and they failed. But they did cause damage and injured a crap-ton of cops, and their mess caused one protester to be shot.

So there was a threat, just shitty execution. I'm not surprised you don't see the diff

But you said those rednecks always botch it. So history should have told everyone that they’ll botch it again and there was no need to be worried, right? Or were you just trying to make a joke and failed miserably?
 
It's quite a conundrum. Your "movement" actually attempted to disrupt the American government and it failed... that day. So, as an American- if you pretend you are- you have to denounce the insurrection. But, rather than denounce your nutty brethren, you have to invent the idea that the insurrection either "wasn't real" or... it was all Antifa or FBI, CIA, anyone except your own people who actually tried and failed. The FBI and CIA would have succeeded. MAGA's failed miserably.
So protesting a stolen election, disrupting Congress' day, is an insurrection?

You really are an a-hole with no sense of fairness. When BLM were burning things down, threatening the WH to where Trump had to be taken to a bunker, and even killing cops and innocent people, that was just "democracy in action," eh?

You are a total hypocrite.
 
So protesting a stolen election, disrupting Congress' day, is an insurrection?
YES! When you try and forcibly stop it using mob violence... it absolutely is an insurrection.

TDS is misdiagnosed. Halfwits like you are suffering from this mf'er and his lies. You twist yourselves into all kinds of shapes to cover for him, cover for your own delusions and try to pretend to be "Americans" at the same time.
 
A simple question for you, @prlyles , @Heels Noir , and @carolinablue34 . With all the advance intelligence saying an event like Jan6 was going to likely occur, why was security not increased? That’s normally the first thing to be done. So why wasn’t it?

You're not asking the right questions.

We both agree the attack on Capitol Building was egregious but you're coming to the wrong conclusions based on your own confirmation bias.

You're putting the onus on Chuck, Nancy, and the Dems. Why? Why is it their fault hundreds of people stormed the building? Why were they even there in the first place? I don't get why you're covering for Trump and his followers when they were the catalyst for this, not the other way around.

Fact: Trump claimed multiple times the election was stolen from him. Fact: he tried to use a bogus legal loophole to stay in power at the expense of Joe Biden and collaborated with numerous aides and lawyers to do so. Fact: The Jan. 6th committee has questioned numerous people who were there and many of them stated that the erroneous belief in a stolen election was the motivating factor.


Ask why friggin security needed to be asked for at all. Your outrage is completely misplaced. I want the people who had a hand in attacking the peaceful transfer of power held accountable. Nancy Pelosi is no saint, but this is not on her.
 
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But you said those rednecks always botch it. So history should have told everyone that they’ll botch it again and there was no need to be worried, right? Or were you just trying to make a joke and failed miserably?
People that botch crimes are criminals and should face justice.

Why is this so hard for you? Seems like many things in life are hard for you.
 
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But you said those rednecks always botch it. So history should have told everyone that they’ll botch it again and there was no need to be worried, right? Or were you just trying to make a joke and failed miserably?
You’re too stupid to be in this conversation. Go back to screwing your sister.
 
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So what you're saying is even though none of the Capitol police died that day -- although four of them eventually would -- it was all just a bunch of harmless, innocent violence taking place.

Someone needs to put a brick upside your head, Randy.
Notice how the liberals always show their tendency towards violence?
 
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YES! When you try and forcibly stop it using mob violence... it absolutely is an insurrection.

TDS is misdiagnosed. Halfwits like you are suffering from this mf'er and his lies. You twist yourselves into all kinds of shapes to cover for him, cover for your own delusions and try to pretend to be "Americans" at the same time.
Wait. So if protestors disrupt something, it's an insurrection but not if they are BLM or democrats doing it?

I mean, BLM were not using "mob violence" in your world? Are you just a liar or completely wacko?

Look, I wouldn't have minded if he BLM and Antifa folks on the Left protested at the Capitol except one cannot trust them not to try to burn it down. Much rather them protest to those in power than burn down innocent people's businesses. But if they scared the crap out of some legislators, I hardly see that as desecration or even insurrection.

Burning down civilian's businesses to me was far worse.
 
You're not asking the right questions.

We both agree the attack on Capitol Building was egregious but you're coming to the wrong conclusions based on your own confirmation bias.

You're putting the onus on Chuck, Nancy, and the Dems. Why? Why is it their fault hundreds of people stormed the building? Why were they even there in the first place? I don't get why you're covering for Trump and his followers when they were the catalyst for this, not the other way around.

Fact: Trump claimed multiple times the election was stolen from him. Fact: he tried to use a bogus legal loophole to stay in power at the expense of Joe Biden and collaborated with numerous aides and lawyers to do so. Fact: The Jan. 6th committee has questioned numerous people who were there and many of them stated that the erroneous belief in a stolen election was the motivating factor.


Ask why friggin security needed to be asked for at all. Your outrage is completely misplaced. I want the people who had a hand in attacking the peaceful transfer of power held accountable. Nancy Pelosi is no saint, but this is not on her.
The feds and Antifa led the attack as you call it while Trump was still talking.
 
Wait. So if protestors disrupt something, it's an insurrection but not if they are BLM or democrats doing it?

I mean, BLM were not using "mob violence" in your world? Are you just a liar or completely wacko?

Look, I wouldn't have minded if he BLM and Antifa folks on the Left protested at the Capitol except one cannot trust them not to try to burn it down. Much rather them protest to those in power than burn down innocent people's businesses. But if they scared the crap out of some legislators, I hardly see that as desecration or even insurrection.

Burning down civilian's businesses to me was far worse.
People using violence and destruction of public and private property as protest are criminals. I'm not defending either. If Antifa and BLM are destroying property, they should dbe arrested and prosecuted and deserve their sentence if found guilty. Your nutty ass believes that the Trump army of MAGAs were really FBI and Antifa. You're a fukking nutcase.
 
People using violence and destruction of public and private property as protest are criminals. I'm not defending either. If Antifa and BLM are destroying property, they should dbe arrested and prosecuted and deserve their sentence if found guilty. Your nutty ass believes that the Trump army of MAGAs were really FBI and Antifa. You're a fukking nutcase.

Amen.

God these arguments are full strawmans, logical fallacies, lies, and thinly veiled authoritarianism. Twisting what actually happened as a shield while simultaneously using it as a sword to attack democracy and legitimate elections.

Also let's not pretend for one second these people wouldn't have done serious harm to people in that building had they not been relocated to bunkers in time. They set up a makeshift gallows and chanted 'hang Mike Pence'. Oh yeah, that's a peaceful group of concerned citizens right there.
 
A guy whipping out a fake badge, mired in lies about businesses, his own children, abortions, etc, might win the senate race in GA, but Cal Cunningham lost because he cheated on his wife.
 

Pretty interesting. @Archer2 @pooponduke I think you'll find some of that interesting.

Eta: regardless of whether you feel it was peaceful tourists or orchestrated insurrectionists, the FBI & apparently SS response was either bafflingly incompetent or <insert conspiracy-level stuff here>
 
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Amen.

God these arguments are full strawmans, logical fallacies, lies, and thinly veiled authoritarianism. Twisting what actually happened as a shield while simultaneously using it as a sword to attack democracy and legitimate elections.

Also let's not pretend for one second these people wouldn't have done serious harm to people in that building had they not been relocated to bunkers in time. They set up a makeshift gallows and chanted 'hang Mike Pence'. Oh yeah, that's a peaceful group of concerned citizens right there.
Well... I don't know what they "would have done." We can speculate on that, but it won't get us anywhere. I'm just glad they didn't manage to get to the legislators. I think that more protestors would have died if they had gotten in the physical presence of the elected officials.

DJT's legacy will be to never accept election results... unless you win. And, even then, it's still questionable. I don't think the country can ultimately survive if people aren't willing to trust the election process.
 
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